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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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post Nov 10 2012, 04:19 PM

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some of us are just sharing experience, not fabricate stories. it happens, and its not surprising.
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post Nov 10 2012, 04:37 PM

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is this a public forum? no one is allowed to voice out their views and experience anymore? shakehead.gif doh.gif
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post Nov 10 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(amalthea @ Nov 10 2012, 04:39 PM)
hahaha yeah this is a public forum anyone can argue with facts and have their views and opinions

and yes you are also allowed to promote your mutual funds and unit trusts and pick on weak points of ASNB such as lock in period and limited availability to promote mutual funds which have higher risk and lower returns

it's a free country


Added on November 10, 2012, 4:40 pm
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fact or personal opinion? smile.gif
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post Nov 10 2012, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(amalthea @ Nov 10 2012, 05:01 PM)
fact 101: PNB is the most stable establishment compared to all mutual funds
if it goes under, the government will use the tax payers money, petronas money to bail it out

soon someone is gonna say that's a serious accusation on how the government handles bailout
i would simply say, that's just the way any government bailout would function
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post Nov 10 2012, 11:39 PM

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i read from ASNB website that kwsp member invest in AS1M.

at the bottom of the graphic it says:

open to malay, indian and other races. chinese subscription full.

no sales charge

subject to epf terms and conditions...

now regarding epf is a bit tricky. will members kena fine if investment application fail? as now UT companies impose fine on failed UT investment using epf scheme. any idea?


Added on November 10, 2012, 11:39 pmhere is the link by the way:

http://www.asnb.com.my/english/index.htm

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post Nov 11 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 11 2012, 12:10 PM)
You cannot redeem the income distribution, the income will be re-invest. All the invested amount from EPF to ASNB fund will be transfer back to your EPF Account one.

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the timing is up to member. in short, member cannot touch the money, just some figures being transfered from epf to approved company and vice versa
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post Nov 11 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(amalthea @ Nov 11 2012, 10:52 AM)
sorry i am a direct and blunt person
and i think taking your EPF and reinvesting it in ASNB is an outright stupid for most people (unless you're a bumi and wanna hit 9% with ASB)

this is because both EPF and ASNB have about 6% interests and ASNB gives you slightly higher
at which cost? EPF is for your retirement. ASNB is for you to decide.

diversify! that little extra u gain is not worth your risks of not diversifying.
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indeed i think the same. the option to invest account1 money should be utilized first and foremost to make enable a member to regain some control and ownership of their own money, just in case **f go... erm... biggrin.gif
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post Nov 11 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Nov 11 2012, 01:31 PM)
From my view, the only way PNB can prevent bank tellers from being 'syndicates' to top up own account etc, is if they open up the PNB subscription via online for all funds (full or not full), instead of only opening up those where the racial quota has not filled up only. For the full funds, it will be a fair 'bidding' among everyone across the country, as anyone can check through their online banking account at any moment instead of relying on bank agents for unit availability. Everyone has equal chance to try their luck, without the barrier of commuting to banks, and subjected to banking queues and biased/unhelpful bank tellers.
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everybody is just trying to cari makan, hard to blame them. as long as this thing does not affect PNB, dont see how they will prevent this

regarding online thing... many auntie uncle also dont know how to use the internet, let alone topping up via internet. they will pengsan if one wants to teach them. in the end, the same thing will continue, i think even worse - now anyone can offer to do it for them. imagine the money being swallowed by a conman who claims to be helping them

some may say PNB can open itself up to become open ended fund. that is even worse than the current situation. that will be the beginning of the final chapter. money will flow out from innocent malaysians into the black hole non stop
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post Nov 11 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 11 2012, 01:42 PM)
My meaning cannot redeem, mean cannot touch or take la.
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You cannot redeem the income distribution, the income will be re-invest. All the invested amount from EPF to ASNB fund will be transfer back to your EPF Account one.



you didnt state it clear enough. income dist. reinvest to where? back to ASNB or back to epf?
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post Nov 11 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 11 2012, 02:01 PM)
Excuse me, do i really need to explain everything from initial to the end, of course it will re-invest in your fund, let say you're investing it in Amanah Saham Didik (ASD), if already fully subscribed, back to your EPF account 1 la.
I had provided the link since the beginning, oh gosh.

What you do not understand again, if i given the link, please check it first.
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the way you structured you sentences are a bit blur, but maybe its just me.

whats wrong with clarifying? hmm.gif
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post Nov 11 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 11 2012, 02:08 PM)
I didn't say it wrong,but at least, please open the link that provided first.
I already gave the link, mean the info will be found on that page.
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this is what i found:

Q4 Can I redeem this investment?
Yes, you may redeem this investment. However, the redemption amount plus income distribution and capital appreciation (if any) will be paid to EPF and to be credited into your EPF Account 1.


Q5 Can I redeem the income distribution of this investment?
No, you may not redeem the amount. The income distribution will be re-invested as additional units of the funds, subject to availability of the units of the funds. If the units of the funds are fully subscribed, the distribution amount will be paid to EPF and to be credited into your EPF Account 1.
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post Nov 12 2012, 09:34 AM

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under table things happen in many things

in small towns, these 'investors' and teller could be close friends, young ppl to some uncle auntie, just a small little kopi o reward for helping them out. it all seems innocent, no one's complaining as all parties are happy

not all are concerned about corruption or misconduct. not all people give a damn about which party is in office. life goes on in these small peaceful towns.

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post Nov 27 2012, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Nov 26 2012, 07:57 PM)
do u guys think AS-funds' annual return of abt 6% is able to beat inflation? Or maybe precious metals is better for safeguarding values?
real inflation rate is more than that. 10cent rise in a cup of teh tarik can easily be more than 6% smile.gif
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post Dec 27 2012, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 27 2012, 12:55 AM)
1.23 mil holders owning RM1.46mil, meaning each holder holding around RM1 only....?
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as always, obvious fishy matter and still people are going crazy for amanah saham. i dont look down on these people, just know and hope they are better educated and informed. if putrajaya change team soon and they probe into PNB, be prepared for chaos... cause they will dig out all other fish in the deep freezer
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post Jan 2 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Jan 2 2013, 08:55 AM)
Obviously you dont have any - so you should be safe
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i usually get stick and probably this is not the thread that i should be hanging and providing my views, and generally most will know i have always suggest caution on PNB funds. i know many share my view, the fact that i am the only one saying this doesnt mean i am alone.

but your money is your property and right. and you should be doing what you are happy with it. and of course, i always hope everyone can have a happy investing journey. its not a matter of i am safe you are not etc

by the way, nobody is safe. the safest is to have a money tree that grows money. that is safe. even with private investment funds you are not safe. just ask around. how many people have lost money in unit trust smile.gif changing car doesnt mean you are safe. you need to know how to handle it and also, depends on your driving skill and attitude biggrin.gif

happy new year to all
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post Jan 2 2013, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 2 2013, 06:47 PM)
Today most ASNB & Banks are full with people updating asb passbook. So much people until system crash for almost 20 minutes. Waiting period also very2 long with some almost 2 hours.
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ASB is definitely good for those eligible. i think no one will believe it can have any problems.

but i think it wont. after all, as long as people keep pumping money in... and nobody withdraw... smile.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 3 2013, 07:46 AM)
Yes long queue but surely worth the wait to see 22K in interest.  rclxm9.gif
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banyak cantik! biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2013, 09:21 AM

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a good explanation on the non-fixed price funds. just to add that its not at all a bad thing. one can use it to one's advantage. if you buy when units ' price is lower, then you will earn in capital gain when unit price goes up. but then again, how often does this happen with asn3 and other non fixed price PNB funds? i ask this because i do not monitor their daily prices. and another question - for an existing investor - what happens when unit price is high? how can you lock in your gains/profits? smile.gif because once price drop, your value drop along with it. is there any way to prevent this?

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post Jan 4 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 4 2013, 09:53 AM)
Yes more. Bout 265K. But just realised that i have space for another 20K. So will top up in Feb.
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how is that possible bro? mind enlighten us smile.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jan 4 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 4 2013, 01:43 PM)
The ASB limit of 200K refers to the amount of cash you can physically pump into the account. It doesnt include dividends and bonuses. Say you pump in 200K first. After about 5 years, your total account balance swells to about 285K. Then you withdraw 50K. This 50K is taken from the initial principle you pumped in. So now your actual invested amount becomes 150K with the remainder being your dividends. Your total balance now is 235K but u still can pump in 50K because in reality you have not maxed out your account yet.

In short, when you withdraw from your ASB account, ure actually withdrawing initially from your principle and only when that is depleted, will you withdraw from the dividends. Dividends are calculated based on the TOTAL amount in the account but based on daily rest.
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dividend calculation will be based on 235k right? if so, this is very interesting. one can have 300k in his own asb, but none is his money, purely dividend sweat.gif

am i right?

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