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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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post Nov 2 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 2 2012, 01:06 PM)
The way i say mutual fund is bad and evil? there is no term such as mutual fund is bad, more technically. I do not invest in mutual fund which an excessive sales charge is imposed doesn't mean it a bad. Am i right?

And you can stop promote your fund privately to me or anything related in my message. Please read back your previous comment from the start you enter into this room, all your thread have a link that, if you think PNB is not worth to queue. then, please go ahead with any private companies fund, other than PNB, please behave and don't say anything outside than PNB, this thread only opened for PNB. such as, invest in public companies, taking loan and etc. The moment, you talk your fund with me, you shown that you're new to your mutual fund companies, probably you could not felt that.

Can you point out, just check your previous comment. which is people think of it, is totally invalid for PNB funds. you still don't understand, isn't. Please next time. anything not related, do not talk "crap" about it. other than that, I'm sure everyone is welcome about it. If you have any question, and would like to stop the public from looking for PNB fund and invest in private company, go make your own topic, i seem that your thread is not even about PNB, only negative as usual. I understood that investment come with pro and cons. but it seem, that you probably not investing about this fund, since you never talk about it rather than other funds outside PNB.

Your suggestion is totally not helpful, we are focusing on PNB fund, not anything not related to PNB, if you think putting money inside PNB is wrong, then go ahead put your money in other funds. can you show me which thread reply is about PNB from the first time? not even one of it.

We're sharing information, what you mean about contribution. nobody cared, we're here for exchanging information about certain topic regard our personal view. other than that, please take it out or talk it in other topic.
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you know what, i cant finish reading your reply the first time i read it. i felt it was so rude and uncalled for.

am i talking to the same adolph that i message via pm? i dont know i hurt your feelings, and i dont remember doing anything to offend you until you are able to utter such words in an open forum.

this is an open forum, not a thread to praise PNB funds. this is a thread to discuss PNB funds, good or not, let readers decide. i never push or force anyone to do anything. why are you critisizing me while everyone else also provide their view and suggestions? why is it wrong that i provide mine? can you give a valid reason?

then please elaborate further because i would also like to know why PNB funds are so worth the queue. that way, you can stop shooting blind and perhaps give me some reasons why i should hold my 100k and wait for a few units of fund to be available. no matter what my profession is, i speak like any other who wish to invest my money and i wish to know more about PNB funds

please provide more useful info as i am very interested to invest in PNB funds.
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post Nov 7 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 7 2012, 05:17 PM)
thank you to clarify,
I did think that way too, if we using cheque, and our cheque turn out to be something wrong, how about the units that we already purchase, they need to enter the units into our passbook.
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if using cheque i think need to clear the cheque before you will get any units.
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post Nov 8 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 7 2012, 06:51 PM)
Well, not all banks acting like that, most of it.
Probably they knew Chinese quota always full, and don't bother for that.
This fund is not bad, since compounding return and guarantee fixed funds available. Good for passive type investor.  drool.gif
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just sharing my experience
in my hometown, i have known about many uncles putting huge sum of money with bank staff, the orders were to deposit in these amanah saham etc should there be any units available. in turn, these bank staff get some duit kopi or commission. i believe this happens in the whole country. surely this is illegal.

now have to ask these questions

who gets to get units? - depend on the bank staff, who she/he prefer. possibly based on his/her own list of priorities. who pays more is ahead in the queue
how long to wait? - as long as until there is units. now the next question is, how often? may take months, years...
is the banker trustworthy? - now one may not know what the bank staff do with this money. a smart person will just use this free fund to invest and take the returns for himself. who knows? and thes uncles 'invest' their money with 0% return, the bank staff smiling all the way.

should these so called investors go for something else?
the general answer that these people can give you is, no. these amanah saham are gov saham and are difficult to get. they give good returns and worth the wait.

but is this the reality? i bet many just do this because they know nothing about investing. like you mentioned, the power of compounding is great, but are you aware that the power of compounding is greatest when time is at their side?

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as you can see from the chart above, its better to start early with a small sum than to start later with a big sum. notice the total years of contribution as well?

what my personal advice to amanah saham would be investors to keep an eye on other options.

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post Nov 8 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 11:31 AM)
Yes, i do know the different and investing early. it a common basic knowledge.
And I'm sure a lot of them already invest in other option such as stocks, passive income and commodity, that including myself.
We never mentioned only invest in PNB.
These compound was found by Albert Einstein, the greatest mathematics, such as rule of 72.

Eg, let take an example, percentage of return on investment is 12.5%
72 / 12.5 = 5.76 years to double your money.

If in such case (ASB),
72 / 8 = 9 years.

Warren Buffet's secret weapon in creating fortune is through power of compounding, he manage to get an average return 24.7%, which only double his income each 2.9 years old.

That's why it important to re-invest the return for compound growth.  drool.gif
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indeed you are absolutely correct. but if no investment then also mean no compounding laugh.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 12:12 PM)
I already invest la. tongue.gif
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i mean those waiting for units in amanah saham biggrin.gif
dun wait too long or commit too much fund in waiting. at least must sit in FD if one really want to wait for units smile.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 12:41 PM)
Yup, agree. but i personally disagree about Fixed deposit, at least it works for me. i rather put something in investment rather than fixed deposit. different people, different mindsets. Just to updated, a member of Pemodalan Nasional Berhad told me that, for Chinese subscription, they could try their luck once dividend already declared.

Anyway, for those who still dislike more risky investment, they can try this.
For the moment, all fixed unit funds already declared, the upcoming will be after 31 March, Amanah Saham Malaysia.  brows.gif
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the reason why i suggest FD is because its most easy to liquidate. like you may already suggested, units in amanah saham will be gone like hot cake. if one prefer to put in stocks, can you sell off in time and buy available amanah saham units? for this purpose, at least what i can think of, you have to have liquidity and worth converting. smile.gif

what are other kinds of investment that is liquid enough and worth sacrificing to go to amanah saham? mind share? smile.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 03:15 PM)
I guess you're the one who do not understand,
And, there's something you need to clear off, nobody mentioned about stocks, except you. stocks is high yield return and also high growth basket that can give a return better than Amanah Saham, i do not think anyone will sell their share just because they saw Amanah Saham is applicable at that moment, except you mentioned which is totally not making any sense.

Of course, you can sell off any kind of low yield investment, such as fixed deposit and other capital guarantee fund which give low return that Amanah Saham.

My definition of investment will be,
Security, Growth and High Growth investment.
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forgive me then because i just take an example. you are very careful in examining every single word i say, rather than to read in between the lines and get my message laugh.gif

do you mind sharing what type of investment is worth putting in while waiting to strike when amanah saham got opening? keen to learn smile.gif

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post Nov 8 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 03:20 PM)
Wah.because you mentioned stocks, if you really understand the capability of your stock, i do not really think they will sell it off for amanah saham, nor me.  brows.gif

Sorry, if you want to know which i'm putting then it consider private and confidential, there's tons of place to put outside, just search your own. and, I do not think you're waiting for Amanah Saham.
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indeed someone would think its foolish to sell off stocks for amanah saham. but this is a general statement. if timing, purpose, opportunity is right, it still can happen. its up to the individual

you dont need to tell me exactly which. private and confidential? unless you are selling fish at the fish market, sharing your so called private and confidential 'knowledge' surely wont hurt doesnt it? and i thought you are in this forum to share your vast knowledge?

and of course i am not waiting for amanah saham. i have been earning better returns other sources.

are you waiting?
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post Nov 8 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 04:43 PM)
Do that fact concern you? Who you think you're. Just mind own business. by the way, I had replied to the thread, but closed, so don't be too happy.  rclxms.gif
I just see a salesman from mutual fund try to cons public through forum, doneright, you seem you do not understand other people matter, it their choice not to telling you or anything. i just see that you do not respect other when people prefer not telling you anyone, that is very funny agent.

then, you should no troll a lot of rubbish and try to show you're smart, if you really smart, won't end up as a unit trust agents.
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in case you realize, you have upmost prejudice for unit trust advisors. your vision is blurred and you make biased statements, some of which are baseless that cannot be backed by any fact

you dont need to call me any names. i personally know a lot of people who have benefited from unit trusts. others can testify if they are wiling to

i never claim i am smart. if my info sharing is beneficial, then readers can take it. if not, can leave it. forumers here are smart enough. you dont need to call me a fool. they can see with their own eyes




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post Nov 8 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 04:43 PM)
Do that fact concern you? Who you think you're. Just mind own business. by the way, I had replied to the thread, but closed, so don't be too happy.  rclxms.gif
I just see a salesman from mutual fund try to cons public through forum, doneright, you seem you do not understand other people matter, it their choice not to telling you or anything. i just see that you do not respect other when people prefer not telling you anyone, that is very funny agent.

then, you should no troll a lot of rubbish and try to show you're smart, if you really smart, won't end up as a unit trust agents.
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by the way brother, be careful of what you say... dont mislead readers here

so you claim unit trust agents are stupid eh?


please share more of your knowledge, because you are the smartest thumbup.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 05:11 PM)
really, of course a portion of them do benefits from unit trusts.
Do i say, none about it. that's a matter of fact too, whether you like Amanah Saham, they still give a roughly dividend 6% above that less risky than other mutual funds.

Sorry to say, i never say you're fool. I'm sure you are the one, who say; brainless to others, when they invest Amanah Saham and topic, that seem none of the Amanah Saham case. if you need proof, just check this thread on the past.   smile.gif
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is this adolph or someonbe else again? why the english is so different?

by the way dont keep saying A then say B. you said it then admit you said it.

this is not the place to argue like this. i should stop entertaining this 22 year old impulsive kid

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post Nov 8 2012, 05:28 PM

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i am sure readers here know who is the CONman. i con ppl into buying unit trust? laugh.gif

this is the best you can come up with? hmm.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 05:34 PM)
Then, what you expect?
your question never on Amanah Saham, just claim it too fishy or anything else. if you're not interested, then why waste your time on this thread, that's seem too fishy too. this is not the topic you can "crap" about it, as we mentioned before, but you never take for granted.  rclxms.gif
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so i cannot post in this forum?
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post Nov 8 2012, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(smsbusiness2u @ Nov 8 2012, 06:32 PM)
do not waste time to go bank to top up ASM, ASW200 or AS1M for non bumi...cos bank will no do for you.

Also, if they do also will try to do for small amount - few hundreds. They will tell you finish if first time try failed. They never try second time.

Also, if you are SUPER SUPER SUPER SUPER lucky tht u can get the few hundred and if u ask them to try more. I can tell y that u will definitely cannot get after that. Cos they will ask their other officer to buy themselves rather than try for you.
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that is the same thing that i have been suggesting

i dont know why i am being a target of abuse icon_question.gif
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post Nov 9 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Nov 9 2012, 10:54 AM)
If given you have savings in some FDs, will u guys move maybe 80% of it to AS-type funds? The other 20% maybe reserve for emergency, due to FD has better liquidity, easily uplift via online, flexible months of tenure.

However despite AS-type funds 'guaranteed' at rm1 per unit, is this really safe in long run? maybe rules change etc. AS funds are also not PIDM guaranteed from what i read. But of course people can say the track record for multiple decades of AS is a testament to its yearly stable dividends, with previously even better yields.
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everyone should have is some cash reserve for emergency purpose. this money should be most importantly be liquid in the event its needed urgently. the amount of this emergency money should cover for one's (or the household of the breadwinder) monthly expenses. some will recommend 3 month emergency money, some say 6 month. it all depends on the individual, but of course, more is better aint it?

but too much money sitting in an emergency fund is also a 'waste'. of course how much is too much is different with different person.

while AS appeals to many people, one still have to ask - why. what do they want from these AS funds. security? returns? guarantee? some like the fact they give yearly dividend, some say its government thing so guarantee safe, one can do more homework in that.

but the most critical issue that i think one should consider is this: AS units are not readily available all the time. when it does, not many units in the offer, and the queue for top up is long. how long are you able to wait? do you call the bank every day to find out? can you monitor daily for available units? how much is the cost of all this waiting?

which is wise to go for other similar investment if one prefer. there are many private funds that offer similar model - yearly dividend yield. some can provide better returns.

of course comes the issue of risk. real savvy investors can tell you whether AS is really safe. more return potential equals more risk, most of the time.

in the end, it still boils down to what are your goals and targets from your investment, be it in FD, AS, property, etc etc. everyone have their cup of noodle. what may be good for me may not be for you smile.gif

just my 2 cents
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post Nov 9 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(abitnuts @ Nov 9 2012, 12:15 PM)
yup, i tried topping up at banks for my ASW, also received the same response, they look at the computer and say either of these:
-system down
-already filled up or finished

I have been to the banks many times to try to fill up and that is the response I get.  Some sort of discrimination at work here?
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how many uncles and aunties already book these people to top up for them? you'd be surprised how much commission a counter guy can earn from 'helping' these people. well that is experience, it may differ from one bank to another, and one place to another. just my experience
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post Nov 9 2012, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(prempenang @ Nov 9 2012, 08:09 PM)
hallooooo
i managed to top up As1m units for rm50K
do online via cimb clicks
i think indian quoata now got as some indian withdraw to cleblate deepavali.
so happpyyy
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hohoho. smile.gif
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post Nov 9 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Nov 9 2012, 11:00 PM)
most of my emergency fund placed in AS1M, that's the main reason why i opt for PNB fund (which fund that NAV is fixed).. while the money wait for my emergency case (touch wood not happen), it also help to bring back some money to me..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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many people die also will never touch their amanah saham money. you are different. another example of different ppl different approach smile.gif

but... touchwood. hope you wont need it so soon
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post Nov 10 2012, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(n0v1ce @ Nov 9 2012, 11:07 PM)
If I withdraw from ASW2020 , can I reserve the units to my friend if she is to deposit during the withdrawal ?
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are units transferable?
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post Nov 10 2012, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(amalthea @ Nov 10 2012, 08:41 AM)
you don't need to and you can't because the moment you even start filling up the form to withdraw..... the small syndicates in the PNB office would have already informed another teller staff to standby to pick up your ASW2020 for their syndicate or own accounts.
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hmmm. so such thing does exist at a bigger level than what i've seen hmm.gif

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