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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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post Jan 3 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 3 2013, 03:44 PM)
May I know what does it means by none fixed unit prices?
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Fixed units which mean, when you purchase 10,000 units at the price $1.00 each, the total payment will be $10,000 for your 10,000 units investment value. This type of fixed units won't change in future, let say, you sold out after 5 year, you still can redeem your $10,000 plus the dividend without losing any single cent as long it is backed by the company itself.

None fixed unit prices, which mean it NAV (Net Asset Value) will change each days, let say today price per unit is 1.3278 per units with sales charge 5% impose, you buy with $10, 000 and with the calculation as follow,

Sales Charge 5%
$10,000 / 1.07 = $9345.79

So, how many units you bought with your $10,000,

$9345.79 / 1.3278 per units = 7038.55 units total you purchase


The reason i put 5% sales charge is because ASNB charge with that rate, except use your EPF which will be much lower such as 3% while fixed funds is 0% except yearly management fees.

Conclusion,
$10,000 for fixed units will gain you 10,000 units, while non-fixed units will depend on daily fluctuation price. With this daily fluctuation rate, you will be expose to earn more or lose.
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post Jan 5 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(fahrur_07 @ Jan 4 2013, 09:17 PM)
i have 14k
i plan to use it on march this year for car downpayment
better to put it in ASB or fixed deposit?
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If you plan to save it for a while till this March,
Of course the answer is fixed deposit, choose three month tenure,
ASB fore sure, is better but in order to gain the dividend return, you need to wait till end of this year in order to get it.
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post Jan 7 2013, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 6 2013, 12:58 PM)
yes, same as the Saving and FD account.
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No, it not same. $1 fixed unit trust doesn't mean it same with saving and fixed deposit. fixed deposit, is like you lend your money to an institution, the reason they offer interest is to lend it to others while charge more higher interest, or buy liabilities or assets to increase the institutional profits such as machinery.

While dividend is not guarantee, if the company not making any money, they have the rights not to issue dividend, dividend return can be declare in monthly, quarterly, half yearly or yearly without pro-rated while fixed deposits and saving is pro-rated.

Even those, they're same but doesn't mean they really same because want to make it simple, as they still gave return without losing money. but the main right here, is Amanah Saham can be not fixed funds at any moment depend company just like 1990 case.
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post Jan 8 2013, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(fahrur_07 @ Jan 7 2013, 09:57 PM)
but compare fixed deposit for 3 month and put in asb for 3 month only then withdraw,
which one will give better divident?
thanx for your info
luckily i dont have any cc debt
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Farur,

I had explained it on the first place, the answer is fixed deposit because you're gonna to put it for a while, fixed deposit only give interest, dividend and interest are different. ASB only declare dividend at the end of each year financially. smile.gif
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post Jan 9 2013, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Jan 9 2013, 11:30 AM)
Exchange Traded Bonds and Sukuk.
Anyone know about this bond????? Can explain a little..
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Mickey C,

It's a wrong thread, this thread only for Pemodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB).

DanaInfra Retail Sukuk is $100 per units, minimum subscription $1000 which equivalent 10 units.
Profit payment and principle of payment are guaranteed by governments. This exchange traded sukuk expected to yield 3.7% per annum but the yield figure haven't yet decided.

More info,
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/
http://www.danainfra.com.my/
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...05&sec=business
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f.../20130108111736


Forum,
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2659360

Retail sukuk knowledge pack,
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/DanaIn...uk070113_KP.pdf
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post Jan 12 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(hader777 @ Jan 12 2013, 03:57 PM)
I dont understand, if ASB gives you 6-7% stable return per year compared to FD return of just 3% or risky mutual funds why everyone not crazy investing in ASB?

What are the disadvantages??
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hader777,

ASB give a return an average 8%, not everyone can invest in ASB, this fund only opened for bumi, minority races or Malaysian who hugged Islamic religion, which is a disadvantage. This fund is good especially for those low risk investors, the other disadvantage is no chance to capital gain such as appreciation of your units, which is capped at $1 per units.

if you're aggressive investor and would like to gain a return 15%, you can think of invest in high yield dividend stocks, blue-chips and share. With these, you will be expose to capital gain, or known as "price risk" a chance to sell share at much higher price. the sustainability depend on what type of person he or she going to invest. The only disadvantage for ASB, is you need to be patient to pick the fruits of return over year for long terms.
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post Jan 17 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(ruben7389 @ Jan 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
spoke to PNB today.
Apparently can withdraw certain amount (depends on age) from KWSP account 1 and park in ASM?

One time fee of 3.5% (3% by PNB & 0.5% by kwsp

anyone got do this before?
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Ruben7389,

Frankly, this is my first time heard about this, are you sure this Amanah Saham Malaysia (ASM) can be invest into EPF account or ASM investment services berhad, because based on their website, the only fixed funds which can be invest into EPF is only AS1M funds.

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post Jan 18 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 09:04 AM)
i think Ruben is asking about using EPF to invest into ASM?
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Petre,

Yes, but he claimed that someone told him EPF can be invest into ASM. For the info, ASM already fully subscribed either to Bumi races.
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post Jan 21 2013, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jan 20 2013, 05:03 AM)
yes it is much expensive.. interest is 6.xx and the dividend+bonus is 8.95, which u still make profit but only 2.xx%..
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If the return failed to capped with the interest, then it will be a nightmare for those applied this ASB Loan. Based on the chart, dividend return for ASB always going downtrend in the long terms. If anything happen, be prepare. Just in case, nothing is guarantee in future.

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post Jan 27 2013, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 26 2013, 04:01 PM)
I doubt this is so, everytime when the PNB amanah Saham Wawasan2020 etc is open to public, i see such a long queu, and when it comes to your turn, no more units left for you to buy.

If really there is such  a case as nobody want to buy it(ASM,ASB)- it  is the bumiputera category. If you ask me why bumi category always got balance not sold out, i dont agree that it is the bumi people dont have confidence in PNB or they have better options to buy that can make more money.

ASM, ASW2020 etc pays out 6% or more every year. Everybody (nonbumi) is all waitimng to grab, dont believe, just wait for next public opening.

How do you come to conclusion people no confidence in PNB?
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Yes, but there's still some minority who doubting about it. There's no right or wrong on this matter, they have the right to see from different perspective.
I'm waiting for another funds, especially new funds or fund increment so that people don't have the chance to invest previously can invest for it.

At the moment if the fund not available, still buying bonds, commodity and variable fund such as Amanah Saham Gemilang to invest. smile.gif

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post Jan 27 2013, 03:02 PM

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Amanah Saham Gemilang, is the best fund for non-fixed units especially for non-bumiputera, if anyone check "total average return" with benchmark value. For 1 year, 3 year and 5 year. Amanah Saham Persaraan is the best fund performance compare Amanah Saham Pendidikan, Amanah Saham Kesihatan and Amanah Saham Nasional 3.

1 year = total average return 22.19% with 9.13% as the benchmark value.
3 year = total average return 13.32% with 6.46% as the benchmark value.
5 year = total average return 9.42% with 4.02% as the benchmark value.

This fund yielding at 9% average return for the past 5 year. while Amanah Saham Nasional 3 is the lowest fund return for total average over 5 year.
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post Jan 30 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 29 2013, 10:22 PM)
Looking at the queues for PNB funds,  can i conclude many people do not know of other similar funds that you mentioned, equal if not better than those ASW2020 and ASm which gave 6+% pa return.

Maybe you can list down some of the funds you mentioned above.
Do you mean Unit trust? Are they really comparable to the fixed price Asw2020 etc?
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Guy3288,

if you're comparing fixed unit funds with variable units, you cannot compare them as they provide more safety return that more acceptable to the public. however, if you want better return, variable funds will be your choices.
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post Jan 31 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Jan 27 2013, 12:15 PM)
as the bolded part, is it true that ASB does not conform to Shariah policy?
Been wondering for quite some times about that..

Hope to get clarification here  smile.gif
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Zen-X,

Just download the prospectus for ASB from their website, and you will find these fund invest by not following syariah policy. That's why some of them just invest in tabung haji funds.
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post Jan 31 2013, 02:19 PM

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Anyone investing in variable fund such as Amanah Saham Gemilang and Amanah Saham Nasional 3. The dividend per year at least 5.5% per units/sen, recent year is 7.00% per units/sen, net asset value fluctuate still around $1.10 per units since 5 year ago except year 2009 which NAV lowest is 0.7552 to 0.9825 per price unit.

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post Feb 3 2013, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Feb 3 2013, 05:09 PM)
I think i put 40k in asg, divided to kesihatan and pendidikan. Dont know why the bear such weird names lol.. Assuming return is 6.5% constant per year, i calculated in my spredsheet i will breakeven in ~2 years time..

Also I am wondering is there any fraud cases involved in PNB funds before? Sometimes its too good to be true extra 3% compared to fd without risks
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Zephyrus9999,

Fixed deposit is principle guaranteed by Bank Negara, but Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad (ASNB) is not guaranteed by Bank Negara, because it an investment companies. These companies only guaranteed they will return a same face value if you purchase fixed fund units. For Amanah Saham Gemilang, it variable and almost same with ordinary mutual fund companies. The return are not constant, the minimum return since inception of this fund at 5.5% per units yearly, the reason for last year return slightly higher due to the 1% management fees, the correct should be 1.5% management fees, but they're charging lesser for last year when dividend declared.

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QUOTE(doneright @ Feb 4 2013, 10:02 AM)
the bold part, should be careful smile.gif

i'm not writing another post to slate PNB funds, but just sharing my opinion

common perception of risk is to lose money after a period of investment

but many dont realize you can lose money the moment you decide on investing

FD is the best example...

when you put money in FD, you get the comfort of getting 3% return after a period of time. most people are comfortable with that. simply put, to them, they earn 3%. simple

one can look at it from another angle - you dont make 3%, you actually straight away lose 8%, 10% or 20% - depend on which investment vehicle you compare it to. i personally would modestly look at it as a straight away lost of 7% because i compare it with a moderate risk dividend paying fund

to me FD is the worst kind of INVESTMENT

as for PNB funds, some like it, some dont.
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Doneright,

that's correct, that haven't calculate the fixed deposit itself which a small number percentage, Malaysia inflation rate of an average 3%, which lower 2% below at the end of 2012. the interest itself can't even beat inflation rate. In the long term, the true face value of the money is a depreciation assets, by having a lot of money but no value which backed by pillars and losing the true status of printed money.

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post Feb 13 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 12 2013, 05:36 PM)
Hey guys, quick question..
I'm a eurasian, can i apply for ASB?
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Davez89,

It a simple question, Eurasian is considered a minority group and allowed by our prime minister to invest in all ASNB fund units including ASB fund, as long you possess an identity card. However, these eurasian are minority groups and not considered as bumiputera. Hence, classified as non-bumiputera quota and such eligibility will be opened.


Info,
http://www.asnb.com.my/english/eligibility.htm
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post Feb 13 2013, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Feb 10 2013, 11:04 PM)
Thank you..
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Solsekuin44,

You can take a few minute and surf the internet as provided below, it will be stated everything on the website, you can also ask a bankers about these information as they provide quick access to your doubt, it is your investment.


Info,
http://www.asnb.com.my/ebanking.htm
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post Feb 15 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Feb 15 2013, 08:25 AM)
Thanks mr adolph.. wink.gif
Question, how frequent should we update the book?
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Solsekuin44,

When dividend already declare to the public, which equal once a year or every time when you top up an amount into ASB funds, make sure the resit and investment books fully updated before leave the counter.
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post Feb 15 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Feb 15 2013, 05:34 PM)
If I pay using Maybank2u,must go to the bank n update the book?
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Solsekuin44,

It is not necessarily, only for your own convenient especially for the 3d party such as bank agents, you may choose to update your passbook in future. It only to avoid errors and misinterpretation in case anything went wrong, to show that you had purchase an amount of units, as an evident just like a print receipt when you're buying goods and share, same in real life.

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