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 OCBC housing Loan, better than other bank?pls debate

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kok_pun
post Jul 6 2012, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(chiew @ Mar 26 2012, 01:27 PM)
what is the "accured profits/interest" mean?  it seems to increasing day by day, but with no effect to outstanding balance.

any OCBC banker here can help?
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it is the accumulated interest to be charged on your account during the first day of the following month. because interest is calculated daily, you will see the change in amount everyday. try to pump additional Rm5000 one day and on the next day you will see lower interest being added to the "accrued interest" amount
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post Jul 23 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 23 2012, 02:14 PM)
Last 2 month below 800K is -2.4% only
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the water gate open already
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post Jul 23 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(noswear @ Jul 23 2012, 05:06 PM)
my loan amount is RM8000K... tongue.gif
my loan range from RM500K - RM800K...
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8000k.... must be an istana
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post Jul 26 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(thoseeyes @ Jul 26 2012, 03:15 PM)
I also have OCBC housing loan. Every month i will pay extra RM200-300. But now i noticed that the extra I made all go to advance payment. I confirmed with OCBC cust service saying my instalment has been advanced till next year. meaning if I dont pay now till next tear also ok.

I thought whatever extra will go direct minus the outstanding principal??

Anyone can help?
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During computation of interest, your outstanding balance will be reduced according to the advance payment that you have deposited.

So interest is saved immediately
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post Jul 29 2012, 01:13 PM

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let me stress again, semi flexi and fully flexi is not only based on the difference on the withdrawal/redrawal part.

OCBC home loan is neither semi or fully flexi. It is a flexi package.

semi flexi package typically has these features:
1) requires you to phone in to indicate the extra payment as early settlement of advance payments
2) if you fail to indicate, you will be charged 1% (some banks do this afaik)
3) if you indicate advance payment, no additional interest is saved as "advance" payment will only be credited to your loan account when it reaches your cycle date, so it is plain advance payments. and must be in multiple of your monthly payment.
4) For redrawable prepayments, you need to indicate separately and Redraw charge of RM50 is imposed (M*B charge Rm25)

full flexi:
1) current account tied to loan account
2) auto debit from current account at month end and interest is calculated based on outstanding balance minus amount in current account
3) maintenance charge of RM10 per month
4) setup/ processing fee of Rm200

OCBC home loan:
1) no need to call in whatsoever, all extra payments (of any amount) will go into your loan account and interest is saved immediately (exactly like fully flexi loans). you may pay 2/3 months in advance, no issue
2) no maintenance/ setup/ processing fee (you'll save a lot, brother...)
3) for redrawable prepayments, you can pump in cheque or direct over the counter.
4) Rm10 is charged for each redrawal and T+3 days processing time

In conclusion, everything in OCBC home loan is same as flexi loan, except for the redraw part and cheque book facility.

** To Chris Chew, yeah, absolutely interest is saved immediately... trust me... i am the expert...

It's not a reduction in principal balance, but who cares? Interest computation wise, it is going to be:

(Principal balance - Advance payment) * interest rate * no of days/ 365

** but bear in mind, if your package is "service interest during construction period", please DO NOT pay anything extra, it wont help you save anything because there is no principal deduction as yet.

Anyhow, those amount will go into advance interest payment (But do we really need to pay the bank interest in advance?)


Added on July 29, 2012, 1:29 pmAbout the cheque deposit, there would be a cheque deposit slip.

on the bottom left, there are a few options for you:

1) installment
2) capital repayment
3) early settlement

*for capital repayment it must be in multiple of rm1000 with minimum payment of RM1000

This post has been edited by kok_pun: Jul 29 2012, 01:29 PM
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:21 PM

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not sure bro... that is a good question...


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post Jul 31 2012, 01:52 AM

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do you know mostly other financial institution do a 30 days per 360-day calendar year?

so if you take ocbc loan, it's 30/365 and you save more each month
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post Aug 1 2012, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(antih2o @ Jul 31 2012, 06:21 PM)
Kok_pun kor, thanks for clarifying.
currently, three bankers are dealing with me and said different things. OCBC did claimed they have the above features you mentioned. but did not mention the reno loan nor top up loan.

I do not mind to pay more in the advance payment, as long as it could help to reduce the interest. and i don't think i need the flexibility of withdrawal, hence, saved the RM 10 for month.

HSBC bank SA kept telling me that fully-flexi loan is better as it gives flexibility and reduce interest. She kept telling me other bank like semi-flexi will not help reducing interest, only fully-flexi can reduce interest (which i really doubt, as OCBC SA already mentioned to me their feature)

Another bank is the Hong Leong Bank, saying that have all of the features like OCBC. The interest is calculated daily based on the total principal - advance payment, but the amount in advance payment is not withdrawable, and can be only used to deduct the next month payment. Prepayment also not withdrawable.

REally don't know which one to believe. afraid what they said will be different stated in the Letter of Offer.
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ask the respective bank's call center (not the banker) 2 things:

1) advance payment (not capital repayment), are they contributing to interest saving? Do i need to indicate it as early settlement?
2) how much is the redraw charge for capital repayment?

it helps you to compare
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post Aug 26 2012, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Jazz87 @ Aug 26 2012, 06:58 PM)
Hi, want to ask some opinion, if the 1 st home loan is for the under con property, and now planning to get 2nd home loan for a subsale unit. How the 1st home loan will affect financial standing in getting the 2nd home loan , does the ccris statement will take the full amount monthly that i should pay or the interest amount?. Tqvm
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scoring is something that will always be hidden from the field force.
btw, as a member of the field force, i was informed that it will take full loan repayment amount as your commitment
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post Sep 10 2012, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Sep 9 2012, 11:16 AM)
under capital repayment, is there an option to re-calculate the monthly instalment?

my sales guy said that capital repayment cannot be withdrawn; is that correct?
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advanced instalment cannot be re-drawn

capital repayment can be re-drawn


Added on September 10, 2012, 12:42 am
QUOTE(shawnk @ Sep 9 2012, 11:35 AM)
No option to recalculate month installment, they are fixed. The advance installment or capital repayment only shortens the tenure of the loan.

Capital repayment CAN be withdrawn, advance installment cannot. Might want to double check with the agent if there's any miscommunication.

EDITL If you want to change the monthly installment, you would have to refinance.
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Correction for you, capital repayment will not shorten the loan tenure.

advanced installment, by the namesake, is advanced future repayments, you may use that to reduce outstanding balance, but to shorten loan tenure, you should be doing early settlements.

btw, afaik, by the book, advanced installments mean you need not to pay for a certain time frame as long as you have extra credits with the bank; on the other hand, after early settlement, you would need to serve your monthly installments as well

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post Sep 10 2012, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(shawnk @ Sep 10 2012, 12:46 AM)
Based on my understanding, with capital repayment, you are basically reducing the principle thus reducing the interest. With that you will shorten the loan tenure. Isn't that right?
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for interest calculation, yes you are correct! it will use outstanding balance minus whatever amount of capital repayment to calculate the interest.

Money parked under capital repayment is not directly used to reduce loan outstanding because there is an option to re-draw

just like any other banks, under flexi loans, say you have 100k outstanding and 50k deposit in current account. If you wish to refinance from this bank to OCBC, your redemption letter will state 100k instead of 50k.

I might sound a bit like a geek here, but if you play by the book, it is not directly settlement of loan outstanding, it is just a temporary direct reduction for interest calculation only.
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post Sep 10 2012, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Sep 10 2012, 09:19 AM)
so, under capital repayment, with option to re-draw, the monthly instalments and loan tenure is unchanged. Then, what has changed?

Further, is there an option to 'early settlement' part of the loan? (i.e. cannot re-draw)
Would that be considered re-financing thus attracting extra fees?
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say you pay rm1000 per month, rm800 is for interest, rm200 is for principal repayment.

if you deposit additional rm20000 to capital repayment, your installment would still be rm1000, but your interest might be rm700 and you principal repayment will become rm300.then your outstanding balance will be reduced and you would save more on interest in future. (snow ball effect)

yes, there is an option to 'early settlement' part of the loan. but my advice to you is just pay more to your home loan. it will automatically be converted to advanced payment.

refinance is a completely different story. If you are talking about re-draw of capital repayment money, the bank will charge rm10
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(will ooi @ Sep 13 2012, 08:21 PM)
Ok understand. In conclusion, capital repayment is purely to reduce capital, while advance payment is purely pay the instalment in advance with the condition i'm not allow to take them out until the point it's used to pay off as the monthly installment.
hmm...i'm not an agent...my maybank conventional homeloan is more flexible in this way while any advance payment is advance instalment cum capital payment that i can withdraw anytime immediately via internet with RM25 fee. but honestly the interest quite high and I plan to refinance to get better loan if after consider the legal fee and new MRTA is still worth.

Any OCBC agent here? can pm me?
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actually only redraw method is different, interest saving would be the same

 

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