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altan
post Dec 17 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 17 2015, 09:17 AM)
I'm interested to build the P3steel. 1st thing i need to do is find the laser cutting. Any shop recommended? If not i'll just google and ask quotation, what i need to do is just send the file to them rite?
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Google up any shops nearby, call them and send in the file they require. The format should be PDF or maybe AutoCAD but it still depends on the workshop. Let them know what material you want and the thickness. Ask them for material availability, delivery time, and obviously request quote.
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post Dec 17 2015, 05:55 PM

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One of them replied me, ss304, rm500/set not include gst.
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post Dec 18 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 16 2015, 03:27 PM)
Looks like a well built and sturdy machine, since they are using sheet metal as the frame and injection molded parts. The only drawback is it is not open source and the worst of all is filament cartridge is chipped (not cheap!).

Yes, the filament cartridge comes with a chip that stops you from using 3rd party filaments when you replace the filament when it runs low. Same as how laser printer toner cartridges comes with a chip that tells when the ink runs out.

Though there seems to be some instruction to hack the cartridge but it gets troublesome when you have a few cartridges to hack.

I wouldn't mind trying out their 3d scanner. storm88 any plans of bringing in the scanner instead?  drool.gif
Thats, a really good advice and I strongly agree the frames need to be far more sturdies and why not steel sheet metal. I don't mind the weight because I have been building shelves using steel angle iron and these things are super rigid.

Any plans of making a set anytime soon?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 16 2015, 07:33 PM)
Good idea, any one interest? We can build it together. I'll go through the link u stated above 1st.
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I had built it. It's the 2nd 3d printer. It's very sturdy and heavy.

The only problem i'm strugling with is uneven print bed. Probably my 6mm aluminium plate/4mm glass is uneven, or x/y steel rod had bent


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post Dec 18 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 17 2015, 05:55 PM)
One of them replied me, ss304, rm500/set not include gst.
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That is pricey, that's the trade off if the place is near your home.

QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 01:03 PM)
I had built it. It's the 2nd 3d printer. It's very sturdy and heavy.

The only problem i'm strugling with is uneven print bed. Probably my 6mm aluminium plate/4mm glass is uneven, or x/y steel rod had bent
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Maybe it's an alignment issue between the z axis frame and y axis (heat bed). Is the steel frame a little warped after assembly ? Say it rocks a little when placed on a flat surface.
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post Dec 18 2015, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 17 2015, 09:17 AM)
I'm interested to build the P3steel. 1st thing i need to do is find the laser cutting. Any shop recommended? If not i'll just google and ask quotation, what i need to do is just send the file to them rite?
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http://reprap.org/wiki/RUG/Malaysia

Supreme Steelmakers Sdn Bhd (laser cutting)
No 8, Jalan Tiga Off Jalan Sungai Besi, 55200 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan.
+603-9223 6666
sales@ssmsb.com.my
http://www.ssmsb.com.my
P3steel cutting service and 3mm steel cost = rm250(email quoted on jan 2014),rm200(walk in around June 2015).
U can see how much steel price have drop. Bring .dxf file with u.

Additional advice.
1. Bearings in Malaysia is very expensive especially those small bearing.its cheaper to get from china and replace as they wear.
2. Screw and nuts.Shops that I visit call Hex screw as capped screw. There's 3 type of screw and nuts. Steel(refer to black) which will rust. Galvanised steel(white) will not rust but not available for all size/length. Stainless steel have all size,but some size can be very expensive like m3 50mm is double the price of m3 40mm.

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post Dec 18 2015, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 18 2015, 01:10 PM)
That is pricey, that's the trade off if the place is near your home.
Maybe it's an alignment issue between the z axis frame and y axis (heat bed). Is the steel frame a little warped after assembly ? Say it rocks a little when placed on a flat surface.
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They frame do not rock.its higher only at the centre of the print bed. All side is fine. So I suspect either the rods or the bed is uneven.

I don't use heat bed.because I need to hunt for the termistor.which is why I advise to buy electronic full set.
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post Dec 18 2015, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 01:19 PM)
http://reprap.org/wiki/RUG/Malaysia

Supreme Steelmakers Sdn Bhd (laser cutting)
No 8, Jalan Tiga Off Jalan Sungai Besi, 55200 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan.
+603-9223 6666
sales@ssmsb.com.my
http://www.ssmsb.com.my
P3steel cutting service and 3mm steel cost = rm250(email quoted on jan 2014),rm200(walk in around June 2015).
U can see how much steel price have drop. Bring .dxf file with u.

Additional advice.
1. Bearings in Malaysia is very expensive especially those small bearing.its cheaper to get from china and replace as they wear.
2. Screw and nuts.Shops that I visit call Hex screw as capped screw. There's 3 type of screw and nuts. Steel(refer to black) which will rust. Galvanised steel(white) will not rust but not available for all size/length. Stainless steel have all size,but some size can be very expensive like m3 50mm is double the price of m3 40mm.
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Thanks, will contact them.
If i want to straight do some upgrade on the part, what's ur recommend? Now in mind is the lead screw..
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post Dec 18 2015, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 18 2015, 02:10 PM)
Thanks, will contact them.
If i want to straight do some upgrade on the part, what's ur recommend? Now in mind is the lead screw..
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I would recommend Version 2.5 (by AndrewBCN): dual Bowden extruder capable. In term of laser cut, it's not much different and you can upgrade to dual extruder in future.

i'm not sure what else upgrade you can do to the body.

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post Dec 18 2015, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 01:26 PM)
They frame do not rock.its higher only at the centre of the print bed. All side is fine. So I suspect either the rods or the bed is uneven.

I don't use heat bed.because I need to hunt for the termistor.which is why I advise to buy electronic full set.
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I have lots of spare thermistor and hotends and electronic stuff. I have 2 sets of ramps 1.4 also. If you need electronic spare parts you can ask me for it. I can send the thermistor by pos express since its quite thin.

QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 18 2015, 02:10 PM)
Thanks, will contact them.
If i want to straight do some upgrade on the part, what's ur recommend? Now in mind is the lead screw..
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Yes, better get the lead screws from overseas or china. Local supplier charge a bomb.

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post Dec 18 2015, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 18 2015, 02:41 PM)
I have lots of spare thermistor and hotends and electronic stuff.  I have 2 sets of ramps 1.4 also. If you need electronic spare parts you can ask me for it. I can send the thermistor by pos express since its quite thin.
Yes, better get the lead screws from overseas or china. Local supplier charge a bomb.
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Nice... but i just ordered 1 from element14. Thanks.

QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 18 2015, 02:10 PM)
Thanks, will contact them.
If i want to straight do some upgrade on the part, what's ur recommend? Now in mind is the lead screw..
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You can get electronic from china, check review before purchase eg. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/3d-P..._257509064.html

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post Dec 18 2015, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 02:43 PM)
Nice... but i just ordered 1 from element14. Thanks.
You can get electronic from china, check review before purchase eg. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/3d-P..._257509064.html
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Any recommended for lead screw. Don't know which one is fix for the frame.
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post Dec 18 2015, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 18 2015, 03:23 PM)
Any recommended for lead screw. Don't know which one is fix for the frame.
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i don't understand why you need lead screw. http://reprap.org/wiki/P3Steel_Vitamins
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post Dec 18 2015, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 04:23 PM)
i don't understand why you need lead screw. http://reprap.org/wiki/P3Steel_Vitamins
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Then i'll stick to normal one..if not later will over budget..
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post Dec 18 2015, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 18 2015, 04:57 PM)
Then i'll stick to normal one..if not later will over budget..
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unless you meant threaded rod. Threaded rod is pretty cheap. I remembered it was around rm6.5 like that

check http://reprap.org/wiki/RUG/Malaysia

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post Dec 19 2015, 12:42 PM

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Found the part buy from taobao cheaper than aliexpress, maybe i'll buy from taobao
http://world.taobao.com/item/36677197989.h...0.fZv29k#detail
interest, price also acceptable
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post Dec 19 2015, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 19 2015, 12:42 PM)
Found the part buy from taobao cheaper than aliexpress, maybe i'll buy from taobao
http://world.taobao.com/item/36677197989.h...0.fZv29k#detail
interest, price also acceptable
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Can tumpang shipping with you? I could buy a few lead screws with nut from you... I don't know how to read taobao but can get the largest threaded rods with nuts each. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 19 2015, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 19 2015, 09:11 PM)
Can tumpang shipping with you? I could buy a few lead screws with nut from you... I don't know how to read taobao but can get the largest threaded rods with nuts each. biggrin.gif
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This is 8mm lead screw with 1,2,4,8,12,14 lead, what size and length u looking for?
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post Dec 20 2015, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2015, 01:19 PM)
http://reprap.org/wiki/RUG/Malaysia

Supreme Steelmakers Sdn Bhd (laser cutting)
No 8, Jalan Tiga Off Jalan Sungai Besi, 55200 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan.
+603-9223 6666
sales@ssmsb.com.my
http://www.ssmsb.com.my
P3steel cutting service and 3mm steel cost = rm250(email quoted on jan 2014),rm200(walk in around June 2015).
U can see how much steel price have drop. Bring .dxf file with u.

Additional advice.
1. Bearings in Malaysia is very expensive especially those small bearing.its cheaper to get from china and replace as they wear.
2. Screw and nuts.Shops that I visit call Hex screw as capped screw. There's 3 type of screw and nuts. Steel(refer to black) which will rust. Galvanised steel(white) will not rust but not available for all size/length. Stainless steel have all size,but some size can be very expensive like m3 50mm is double the price of m3 40mm.
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How about using aluminium profile ? Probably cheaper and more rigid and stable.

There is many china bearing in local. There are cheap. For slow moving speed, it should be alright to use. How small the bearing require on 3d printer? Less than 10mm diameter? Some Japan brand bearing like NSK should be cheap.

The black cap screw are not easily rust. It been treat with chemical to resistance better on rust. That's why it black. Using indoor is no problem at all. Cheaper too.

You can galvanized the screw you want or chrome it. But will cost few cent more. Comeback collect later. Most of the shop can do it.

SS screw mainly for use on corrode environment. SS are more soft and less strength. Expensive also. Avoid to use if possible.
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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 19 2015, 12:42 PM)
Found the part buy from taobao cheaper than aliexpress, maybe i'll buy from taobao
http://world.taobao.com/item/36677197989.h...0.fZv29k#detail
interest, price also acceptable
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When you order lead screw/ ball screw from oversea, try ask them to change the name in invoice/box tag. If possible.

Custom tax very high on lead screw/ball screw. About 40% if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(hihi @ Dec 19 2015, 11:34 PM)
This is  8mm lead screw with 1,2,4,8,12,14 lead, what size and length u looking for?
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Lead also have an additional spec like pitch. it have pitch like 2mm, 5mm, 10mm.... Pitch refer as 1 complete turn the lead screw, the moving part move ho many mm.

Others spec like accuracy C7, C10..... More accurate, more expensive.

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