under the bedsheet?

Hahaha funny. Hahahahaha nicely said

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Added on March 2, 2012, 4:16 pmBeen tweeting a lot to Damien but he seldom reply

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Mar 2 2012, 04:16 PM

Cant wait to get this phone and start camwhoring! lulz

i tweeted him once and got replied
his tweeter account really is flooding

I see the PureView tech as something like this.

For example you have a 12MP (4000x3000) pic and you resize it for web use to 1280x960. It would look good & sharp right?

And at full 12MP we can pick any area of the pic at 100% zoom, and voila "lossless zoom".

Just my 2 cents.

u been awarded this:

1. normal resize NOT same as oversampling

2. 100% zoom in 12MP mean the area u're viewing is in LOWER pixel density compare with 41MP 100% zoom

Yes, with addition of PureView tech, where they will analyze each individual pixel in a group of 7, select the best pixel in those seven and replace all 7 pixel with that best pixel before they resize it.

Read my post on previous page, it's more than that, it's oversampling. When you resize, you can resample to maintain quality or make it better. In this case, PureView is making it better.

As for the lossess zoom, something like that, but it's on the sensor part.
Not sure what's difference if you crop 5MP part of 12MP on photo VS 5MP of 12MP on sensor.
If you don't zoom to max, there is still oversampling done, just reduced.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 2 2012, 04:34 PM

most people who had taken Digital Signal and Image Processing class in electronics engineering will roughly know what the PureView's oversampling, averaging, filtering etc. jargon are about.

other than that i can't comprehend why quite some E&E people can't understand this unless they're bad at this subject or pure fan/brand loyalty

After this 808 model has been release, this is what i can see from people's reaction:

1) People who understand the concept of oversampling & digital imaging.

2) iSheep (fans) saying: oh this is crap, nothing is better than 4S photo(shop).

3) Andriod fans + Windows fans: y Nokia no porting 808 into their OS?

4) "End user" who doesn't know whats going on: Wow 41MP, lets buy it!!!

5) Programmers: Lets enhance the camera & bring out its potential.

6) the list goes on & on... feel free to add...

This post has been edited by tonberry_ax: Mar 2 2012, 04:45 PM

^ Put me in #3 haha...

Or in other words, pixel binning. Something like Fuji EXR to eliminate noise or/and increase dynamic range.

This post has been edited by Joseph Hahn: Mar 2 2012, 04:46 PM

Oh, lol, just saw the pic of Damian asking the Olympus guys on what is nonsense. Seriously, that is damn funny XD

i can see some of the 808s will fall into good hands on people who posted in this thread

I made this quickly so pardon the minimalist graphic.



See the images above. Imagine that they are a group of blue, green and red pixel. The group with the pixels on top tier have some bad pixels/noises. What pureview do is select the best pixels in that group which matches their surroundings and replaces those bad pixels with good ones. So the noises is eliminated.

Itu apa yang gua paham la.

This post has been edited by emino: Mar 2 2012, 04:49 PM

Basically, after Nokia announce this, many people starts to question how good will it be, especially such megapixel on a small sensor (compared to a DSLR), etc. People starts to JUMP TO CONCLUSION based on their own assumptions WITHOUT finding out or read more about it, what's worst, those article writer who own blogs or popular sites, they should be more responsible. Giving false information, people who are confused or want to know, may read the false information and understand wrongly, then they will use this information and argue/debate with others.
Some people on the other hand, claims it's actually a 5MP and interpolate to higher MP, or whatever. It's really amazing how these people straight away come up with their assumptions without first finding the right information, and they can confidently tell others somemore (where is the source? Nobody question? Amazing...)

It's good to see and know that GSMArena took the step forward and ask the man himself, Damian Dining, and publish he interview with lots of good information.

close enough but no accurate
it's not so simple as to select the best one
there should be some complex formula to average out the differences and not loosing detail
more on that will be in their intellectual proerty
if it's so simple to just select the best one then there's no difference with using any image viewer to open up a photo and zoom out on it
in fact, if it's that simple, 6 months from now you would see android or ios have included this in them

No,... I've posted this on previous page... and LYN front page also make the same mistake.

http://www.gsmarena.com/d_dinning_intervie...eview-728p3.php

GSMArena: Is your oversampling technology different from pixel binning technology?
D. Dinning: Yes, it is more complicated than binning. We looked at a number of different methods how we could do this, and some methods preserve more detail, but there are generally a couple of problems here. One is that there's just something not right about the images when you use binning. I won't use the term natural, the term that we use is they are not pure. When you look at the picture, you just see the pixels that relate to the exact detail. What you end up with is you never have strong contrast and there's always a certain softness between pixels—you see three or four pixels leading from black to white. You never see black then white pixels next to each other. Whereas with oversampling, typically you can see pixels literally switch from one color to another. It's really clean.

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Added on March 2, 2012, 4:57 pmTaken from Nokia 808 PureView White Paper:
On a more technical note...
oversampling eliminates Bayer pattern problems. For example, conventional 8MPix sensors include only
4Mpix green, 2Mpix red and 2Mpix blue pixels, which are interpolated to 8Mpix R, G, B image. With pixel
oversampling, all pixels become true R, G, and B pixels. What’s more, based on Nyqvist theorem, you
actually need oversampling for good performance. For example, audio needs to be sampled at 44 kHz
to get good 22 kHz quality.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 2 2012, 04:57 PM

Well, this is what I understand from their explaination. This are on the pixel level. To make up an image, thousands of pixels will be crowded near each others and each group will be leveled to the best on in the group and when saved as 8 or 5 MP picture, the image will be very sharp, precise and minimal noise.

Hope this unique intellectual property not easy copy by is and android.patented it hardly and deeply pls.if not later apple will announce to the world we invent something new again.