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mrjgx
post Mar 23 2012, 06:30 AM

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i use prologo scratch pro and never had any buttpain at all smile.gif maybe it suits my butt very well. hehe. will never have to change to other saddle anymore . yeay
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post Mar 23 2012, 07:25 AM

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i found that using tight jeans more comfort than cycling pant tongue.gif no pain at all...but my butt immune to my specialized comp already...for less than 50km, i'm just using normal track suit only...
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post Mar 23 2012, 08:11 AM

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huh RM50 for 5km ride?
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post Mar 23 2012, 09:26 AM

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the map shows 1.8KM?

i'd rather pay the full 50 bucks for the rafizi tribute...at least that has a meaning to it whether i get to ride or not...
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post Mar 23 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Mar 23 2012, 08:11 AM)
huh RM50 for 5km ride?
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not RM20 meh?

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the map shows 1.8KM?

i'd rather pay the full 50 bucks for the rafizi tribute...at least that has a meaning to it whether i get to ride or not...
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Tribute is good. but it's only for short term. people will forget.

The awareness need to reach out nationwide and get ministers attention.

anyways, it's better than nothing.

Ultimately if this awareness can install in school children then it would be awesome! educate our future!
The road will be safer in future.
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post Mar 23 2012, 11:09 AM

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Am planning for Share the Road 2 for my city again somewhere in Sept/Oct 2012. the 1st program was a resounding success. I hope this kind of event can help increase awareness of other road users (cars, lorries and buses especially) of our presence on the road. Hopefully we can lessen risks of accidents happening to cyclists on the road from other road users.
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post Mar 23 2012, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Mar 23 2012, 10:12 AM)
not RM20 meh?
Tribute is good. but it's only for short term. people will forget.

The awareness need to reach out nationwide and get ministers attention.

anyways, it's better than nothing.

Ultimately if this awareness can install in school children then it would be awesome! educate our future!
The road will be safer in future.
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i guess the aim of the tribute is not really to memorize him or the event or even the teachings from that particular tragic event...

but more like to raise money for the family that he left behind... i understand that he just gave birth to a 2nd child which means added burden to his now widowed wife...

and i don't think he has earned enough to last his family after his departure...

so the contributed money is more of to help them settle down and get through some rough patches for the time being while they rebuild from the start.

QUOTE(MattJ @ Mar 23 2012, 11:09 AM)
Am planning for Share the Road 2 for my city again somewhere in Sept/Oct 2012. the 1st program was a resounding success. I hope this kind of event can help increase awareness of other road users (cars, lorries and buses especially) of our presence on the road. Hopefully we can lessen risks of accidents happening to cyclists on the road from other road users.
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penang did a campaign for a lane which i heard was quite successful... whether did the G made the lanes for cyclist i really don't know...

but i think singapore did a good job to promote the cycling as a recreation by turning their big longkangs... i think they call aquaducts into travel lanes for bikes or something like that a friend told me... didn't go and research the news since i don't go SGP


Added on March 23, 2012, 1:30 pm
New limited wheels from fulcrum, only 100 sets are going to be made. Mr. jgx, time for you wheel upgrade.

Fulcrum Racing Zero Limited Edition (mega driveside hub flange, rear wheel with cult ceramic bearings)
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Fulcrum Racing One Limited Edition (mega driveside hub flange)
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The usual routine, lighter, stiffer and rolls smoother (in R0's case).

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/03/22/fulcru...on-road-wheels/

It's not yet X'mas and they want to wring our wallets dry... bunch of m!@#$ f!@$%$#


Added on March 23, 2012, 1:32 pmlooks like inspiration came from star wards or something like that...

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Added on March 23, 2012, 1:35 pmnew avid x0 - 4pot...bicycle also have 4 pot, makes my brembo 8 pot sound like crap... and my cacat MTB only have some tektro mechanicals... that's BS...

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i dunno wat this is... but holy shmolly... looks like a lot of machining to make it that shiny....
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post Mar 23 2012, 06:55 PM

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Hi, may I know approximately how much is Raleigh Diablo Pro?
I went to Joo Seng @ Desa Park City and they quoted me RM1k for it.

Appreciate more replies from all sifus.

Update:
Ok I realized its kinda overpriced after checking the price for Diablo Pro. I assume its priced around RM800++ right?

Currently I am eyeing on a few bikes around 1k+/- price range
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=149489
http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=123804
and
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=151908

Within its price range, is it worth it?

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mrjgx
post Mar 23 2012, 11:59 PM

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butthead, thx for the updates but im looking for aero rims now biggrin.gif cash ready, it's a matter to select the brands (or maybe I just upgrade my lung capacity instead of changing to expensive wheels tongue.gif) I planned to get dura ace brand but can only find one in bbs. Can anyone suggest which shop in KL carries them?

Owh btw can someone elaborate the pros and cons of c50 7900 and FR0 (2way fit) ? somehow rather only those 2 are in my mind..read somewhere on the net that having a carbon rim sometimes can caused a tire blow up if the heat is too much during braking is that right?

bbs seller selling c50 7850 rm2850..new one. is the price alright?
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post Mar 24 2012, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(Forgotten06 @ Mar 23 2012, 06:55 PM)
Hi, may I know approximately how much is Raleigh Diablo Pro?
I went to Joo Seng @ Desa Park City and they quoted me RM1k for it.

Appreciate more replies from all sifus.

Update:
Ok I realized its kinda overpriced after checking the price for Diablo Pro. I assume its priced around RM800++ right?

Currently I am eyeing on a few bikes around 1k+/- price range
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=149489
http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=123804
and
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=151908

Within its price range, is it worth it?
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1K is way overpriced for a Diablo. Most places would have it at between RM800 to RM900.

Also, one more thing about Raleigh bikes is the sizing. They only come in one size. Get yourself fitted properly to determine what size is best for you. If the Raleigh bikes can fit you then ok, otherwise you might want to consider something else, unless you wish to change bikes later. Raleigh is pretty ok for beginners.

My first bike was also a Diablo, but the 16.5 size was too big for me. Gets rather uncomfortable on longer rides. My actual fit should be a size 15.5 which is what I have for my current bike.
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post Mar 24 2012, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Mar 23 2012, 11:59 PM)
butthead, thx for the updates but im looking for aero rims now  biggrin.gif cash ready, it's a matter to select the brands (or maybe I just upgrade my lung capacity instead of changing to expensive wheels tongue.gif) I planned to get dura ace brand but can only find one in bbs. Can anyone suggest which shop in KL carries them?

Owh btw can someone elaborate the pros and cons of c50 7900 and FR0 (2way fit) ? somehow rather only those 2 are in my mind..read somewhere on the net that having a carbon rim sometimes can caused a tire blow up if the heat is too much during braking is that right?

bbs seller selling c50 7850 rm2850..new one. is the price alright?
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try rodalink. they can order the c50 for you.
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post Mar 24 2012, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Mar 23 2012, 11:59 PM)
butthead, thx for the updates but im looking for aero rims now  biggrin.gif cash ready, it's a matter to select the brands (or maybe I just upgrade my lung capacity instead of changing to expensive wheels tongue.gif) I planned to get dura ace brand but can only find one in bbs. Can anyone suggest which shop in KL carries them?

Owh btw can someone elaborate the pros and cons of c50 7900 and FR0 (2way fit) ? somehow rather only those 2 are in my mind..read somewhere on the net that having a carbon rim sometimes can caused a tire blow up if the heat is too much during braking is that right?

bbs seller selling c50 7850 rm2850..new one. is the price alright?
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the carbon rim delamanination and overheating is old news... current technologies allow for very good heat transfers and should not be a problem unless you are on super long descents with very very heavy braking then it might show some brake fade... even those weird brake grabby feelings are no longer there with better pad compounds.. don't think it is that much of a worry nowadays especially when your C50 clincher will have an aluminum brake track which makes the carbon brake track myth invalid...

with the new weights of the c50... it is much lighter than it's predecessor although still heavier than the the R0...other than that the obvious fact of aerodynamics, the C50 as far as i understand still uses cup and cone bearings (loose ball) instead of sealed cartridge which makes servicing and adjustment a little more tougher, isn't much of your problem anyways...R0 also has the USB ceramic bearings for smoother and lesser rolling resistance...

unless you are thinking of using road tubeless sometime down the road...i think you can take the normal non two-way fit version as that is a further 10-15 grams lighter if i am not wrong.. maybe cheaper as well...

if you are seriously considering aero wheels... fulcrum also has their range launch Q3 of last year called the Red Wind range... they have profiles from 50 to 80mm... i haven't seen much in KL though and unsure of the price... most probably higher than the C50s but they are offered as the aero wheels under the fulcrum arm..FR0 are also known for being a quite responsive and stiff wheel... so, if you have a very stiff frame, it can be hell for you as the wheel does not absorb much road shock coupled with an alloy rim...

long term concerns, FR0 replacement spokes are available but expensive... C50 spokes are straight pull and most probably only meant for the C50 hubs, might have trouble finding replacement and assuming they are not cheap as well... FR0 replacement cartridge bearings also available but also quite pricey at around RM300 i think, C50, loose balls are acquirable in any bearing shops... just need to know the ball size as long...

in short... if you go for long flat rides, C50.. if you climb or do a lot of general riding, FR0
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post Mar 24 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(malleus @ Mar 24 2012, 01:02 AM)
1K is way overpriced for a Diablo. Most places would have it at between RM800 to RM900.

Also, one more thing about Raleigh bikes is the sizing. They only come in one size. Get yourself fitted properly to determine what size is best for you. If the Raleigh bikes can fit you then ok, otherwise you might want to consider something else, unless you wish to change bikes later. Raleigh is pretty ok for beginners.

My first bike was also a Diablo, but the 16.5 size was too big for me. Gets rather uncomfortable on longer rides. My actual fit should be a size 15.5 which is what I have for my current bike.
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Thanks for the input. Really appreciate it.
I am currently 175cm tall and according to the sizing chart, I am more suitable with 18" frame. Guess I need to have a test ride myself.

And btw where did you get your bike?
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post Mar 24 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 24 2012, 08:43 AM)
the carbon rim delamanination and overheating is old news... current technologies allow for very good heat transfers and should not be a problem unless you are on super long descents with very very heavy braking then it might show some brake fade... even those weird brake grabby feelings are no longer there with better pad compounds.. don't think it is that much of a worry nowadays especially when your C50 clincher will have an aluminum brake track which makes the carbon brake track myth invalid...

with the new weights of the c50... it is much lighter than it's predecessor although still heavier than the the R0...other than that the obvious fact of aerodynamics, the C50 as far as i understand still uses cup and cone bearings (loose ball) instead of sealed cartridge which makes servicing and adjustment a little more tougher, isn't much of your problem anyways...R0 also has the USB ceramic bearings for smoother and lesser rolling resistance...

unless you are thinking of using road tubeless sometime down the road...i think you can take the normal non two-way fit version as that is a further 10-15 grams lighter if i am not wrong.. maybe cheaper as well...

if you are seriously considering aero wheels... fulcrum also has their range launch Q3 of last year called the Red Wind range... they have profiles from 50 to 80mm... i haven't seen much in KL though and unsure of the price...  most probably higher than the C50s but they are offered as the aero wheels under the fulcrum arm..FR0 are also known for being a quite responsive and stiff wheel... so, if you have a very stiff frame, it can be hell for you as the wheel does not absorb much road shock coupled with an alloy rim...

long term concerns, FR0 replacement spokes are available but expensive... C50 spokes are straight pull and most probably only meant for the C50 hubs, might have trouble finding replacement and assuming they are not cheap as well... FR0 replacement cartridge bearings also available but also quite pricey at around RM300 i think, C50, loose balls are acquirable in any bearing shops... just need to know the ball size as long...

in short... if you go for long flat rides, C50.. if you climb or do a lot of general riding, FR0
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Thanks butthead..read a lot of reviews for both rims on the net as well but more favourable reviews goes to FR0.

My usual ride is more on general riding on rolling terrain, rarely had a long and flat route, and a bit of climbing and i guess the stiffer FR0 will helps in cornering and decending perfectly. Fell in love with genting sempah and will try perez next week..so far my FR Comp is coping quite well, but i heard 'nyek nyek' sound when climbing slowly and out of saddle on a few steep climbs..not sure from which part of the bike..couldnt be from the rims eh?

I guess i will not fully utilize the aero advantage of deep carbon rims so much on climbing route..leaving me with less options now.

Not sure of the price of c35 though...weird why no shop in KL sell shimano wheels? (or maybe i haven't search enough). I havent check other bike shops around KL yet, might drop by at Avanti and ghs soon..avanti has HED and the latter carries sram wheels but im not sure about the price range.
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Shimano did not build their wheels with the items that buyers of today lust for... things like ceramic bearings and funky spoke lacing or spoke designs are not usually found on shimano wheels... they are more towards traditional quality built wheels that don't interest the general buyers who are spending that amount of money... or at least that is what i think.. place a set of shimano's beside a set of corima's and see what you pick?

HED's are not cheap but steve hed is a pioneer in aerodynamics especially on wheels... he works with trek and bontrager and to some point and i believe even zipp on wheels... he is a couple of the manufacturers who started the whole wide rim and tyre trailing edge concept and is one of the pioneers alongside zipp on aero efficiencies at yaw angles (aerodynamics during cornering)... crazy stuff, but making wheels sell....

creaking is the hardest thing to trace out... might be from any part of the bike that has a joint... get your shop to re-grease and re-tighten the usual suspects like pedal, crankarm, BB, headset and even get the good ol seat post and saddle a check (but since you mentioned out of saddle, less likely to be there)
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post Mar 25 2012, 10:02 AM

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Did a test run on the Astana S-Works Tarmac SL3 this morning for 25kms, that bike was fast, hit 33 to 35 in a matter of seconds, much faster than my Pina FP2.
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post Mar 25 2012, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Forgotten06 @ Mar 24 2012, 08:02 PM)
Thanks for the input. Really appreciate it.
I am currently 175cm tall and according to the sizing chart, I am more suitable with 18" frame. Guess I need to have a test ride myself.

And btw where did you get your bike?
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18" might be a bit hard to find. usual sizes are like 15.5, 17.5, 19.5, etc.. so 17.5" could be your best bet as 19.5" will be too big

Got my bikes (both first and current) from Proride Cycle Center over at Bandar Puteri Puchong.

The thing about bike sizing is that its often difficult to tell on short test rides. You'll only notice the awkwardness on longer rides.
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QUOTE(MattJ @ Mar 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
Did a test run on the Astana S-Works Tarmac SL3 this morning for 25kms, that bike was fast, hit 33 to 35 in a matter of seconds, much faster than my Pina FP2.
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How much did you purchase just the frame only bro?I remembered seeing it with Dura Ace and roval wheelsets for 17k at Specialized..
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There are a few FR1 and FR0 selling below rm3k at bbs..got a new quotation the FR0 black lable is only rm2.9k new..heard that they are so stiff..Owh and i juz found out that Godzilla cycles carry a full range of vittoria tires smile.gif
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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Mar 25 2012, 01:37 PM)
There are a few FR1 and FR0 selling below rm3k at bbs..got a new quotation the FR0 black lable is only rm2.9k new..heard that they are so stiff..Owh and i juz found out that Godzilla cycles carry a full range of vittoria tires smile.gif
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