Hello sifu-sifu. I'm a new BLMer here. Just managed to own a 2010 BLM 1.3 (m). Current mileage 16k. Any idea how to improve fuel efficiency? The damn thing is currently doing 0.19/km maximum 0.17/km. Got a surprise with the reading

Here is my journal thus far in IM*GESHACK
My mileage record


And this is my Ex-Wife
PROTON WIRA 1.6(m) 1996
Footwork: 14" Indo Champiro
Mileage: 140k

Mods: Super rain roof, very useful during rainy days, you get to shower + driving at the same time roof is badly rusted, K&N dropin
Driving condition: Mostly use it for work in Selangor outskirt area, such as Kuala Selangor/Dengkil/Banting/Rasa/Bukit Beruntung/KKB/Batang Kali. Every 5~10km must stop for my client visit. Do a lot of 6krpm shifting due to race with time! Always stuck 1-2 hours in JAM during morning/evening to/from KL.

11/3/2012


RM0.152/km

The above record was the last tank of petrol with my beloved WIRA that I sold it for my "new" BLM

Now, my dear BLM sifus, mind to share with me what is your secret to get such beautiful results on your mileage?! I always use full tank refill as benchmark against my trip counter. Everytime full tank, I'll reset the trip meter. I know my calculation is correct, and wasn't expect both my old cars is actually more worthy than this "new" car. If you know any sifu I can send my car for out patient, please recommend. I desperately need help.

Kind regards,

Dave

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 25 2012, 02:04 AM

Frankly, I'm not too sure. I drove my WIRA with vacuum meter, other than pickup from traffic lights, normally I try to maintain below 15 in/hg while cruising. Currently I still couldn't find any pillar holder for my BLM, so the meter is not on yet. After many years training, I believe my right foot is quite sensitive with the pedal. HOWEVER, the only problem now is the drive by wire, I can no longer feel the throttle body, the angle of the butterfly. So, all I can feel is the car had to go smooth, without sudden acceleration. I normally will not purposely shift up before the car run smooth, as I learn this from previous vacuum meter training also. Before the car got enough torque, there is no use to shift up as you'll lose more momentum on a higher gear with lower speed, alas you lose more petrol trying to gain back the momentum. So, besides of the 6krpm crazy thing, I think I did almost the same driving style as my WIRA 1.6.

So, I believe I'm DRIVING the right way(before I get my vacuum meter hooked up, now all are bullshit). I just couldn't believe I'm that bad in driving a car without reading the vacuum meter. How can people do up to 15km/liter whereas I only manage to do average 10km/liter. Moreover, I do like 50% highway cruising. To cut the crap short, reading fuelly is more reliable heh?



Any help is much appreciated. Current mileage clocked at 16000. I'm suspecting WRONG engine oil can make such harm too. Before I get this car, the reseller took it for a service, not sure what oil he puts in. BUT, I've tried diesel engine oil on my ISWARA too, it still doesn't hurt the mileage that much. Any input is much appreciated.

By the way, is this the correct thread I ask for this kind of question? If there is any other thread talking about fuel efficiency, please direct me there. Don't wanna be a threadjacker.

Thanks and regards,

Dave

Normally is around 2krpm ~ 2.5krpm shift up, depends on how long I drag the thing. The slower I drive, I drag the shift longer like every gear up takes 4~5 seconds.

I also dont think lack of reference to a vacuum can cause such crazy FC. Just wanted to find out what went wrong with my car.

No choice, every good thing must come to an end(comes to think of it, only bad things is never ending story). The roof is rusted badly, beyond repair jor, gotta torch it out and get an OEM roof to fix it, that alone cost RM800. New paint will cost another 2000 on a 2k ruby green. Engine is running at optimal. I change engine oil/oil filter EVERY MONTH! New aircond compressor/cooling coil/hose/gas, just changed the entire damn thing last Christmas. Thats why you see such crazy fuel economy on it. 15cent/km is pretty good for a 16 years old car, without loan repayment and stuff. Just wifey and family complain too much, really gotta sell it ady.

WOW! You're well known SiuYi? Before anything goes, let me ask you 1 question, you're the very infamous keyring light SiuYi? Correct me if I'm wrong. Let's say if the initial answer is positive, how much do I need to get my keyring lite up? Do you provide installation? Where to do so? I stay near Kepong area.

Now, my answers... besides of an ugly TRD spoiler, rest of the stuff are standard. Oh, and a LED light at the trunk. I supposed all those things does not affect the fuel efficient ainit? Seriously, I have no idea what engine oil its using now. I'll have to change it within this month. Any recommendation on engine oil grades? 0-20? 5-40? 10-30? 10-40? 10-60? 15-40? 15-50? 20-50? or W40?!?!?!?!

I've been silently reading this thread for weeks without registering myself, before I bought my "new" 2nd hand BLM. People over here are damn friendly and wouldn't mind to share how far can their BLM go with a tank of petrol. I even found member post their BLM does >400km/RM50! That is seriously insane to me. Without borrowing a friend's BLM and dry up 2 tank of their petrol(I doubt if there is anybody willing to let me do that), with all the sohighness and without experiencing the actual mileage, I went and bought a used BLM from bank lelong with a good price.

Sorry to say, I started the fuel efficient thing again lately with all the resenting of BLM because I found my old WIRA 1.6 is more efficient than a 14 years newer car. I don't meant all that but I thought of making this information available to fellow BLMer here, as I plan to put up my journal

A journey to less petrol consumption in BLM

I've been learning and trying to improve my petrol count. Trying to squeeze up the last drop of petrol to the final destination with all the tips and tricks from this forum, hoping to show everybody a better way to improve their BLM's mileage.

Meanwhile, I've been trying the 2krpm shift up thingy as suggested by fellow members. I will put up my reading once I go and refuel my tank, and see whether that works.


I kid you not, I following smooth drive and try to change by 1.8k, but the drive by wire lagged. I already try to release pedal early, but I'm still not so use to it... just yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp3FaI6iWQM
p/s: how to put the youtube video here? tried several times, but still in white color. wouldn't work.



And, believe it or not, the indicator drop 1 box at 39.8km WTF?!

I wouldn't jump in to conclusion yet. I'll give 2 tank of petrol for this method. If things doesn't go well, I'll switch back to my usual light foot 3k rpm base on my usual smooth sailing style.

Thanks and regards,

Dave

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 27 2012, 03:13 AM

According to my hardcore racing friends in AUZ, most "self learning" ECU study from their past appx 480km(thats the most record the ECU keep, normally less than 500km). And for your information, the learning process is NOT actually learning or artificial intelligent. The ECU will take all the readings from all the sensors, group the data together with the travelling distance/speed to come up with a set of "customized" data for your vehicle. Reason of doing this is, your ECU will try to adjust running fuel at certain RPM in conjunction with your current gas pedal volume.

I called up to my friend in Ipoh, he's also another hardcore PROTON tuner. According to him, there is another set of EPPROM in the ECU which record WATER TEMP, INTAKE VALUE and several important data. When mechanical failure, PROTON SC plug in their monitor so they know whether the engine has been tempered/overheated/overloaded/wrong fuel being added. This group of mechanical data only stores the most recent date of occurred/how many times occurred. So, its like a log book for mechanical failure. This part of the ECU memory is UNeraseable to keep track of all the prior incident. If you managed to read the data in this part of the ECU, you'll understand whether you wanna buy a 2nd hand car with previously overheated engine for 2 months straight still not going for radiator flush.

However, both parties gave a same conclusion, regardless of the learning process, ECU will 1st recognize aggressive driving. Regardless how you train your ECU to save petrol, when you floor the gas pedal, the engine will get the signal of adrenaline rush. This is standard to all ECU for emergency purpose. In case if there is a need to floor the pedal, and your car beehive like a beeyotch, think you're gonna set your car on fire on the spot. So, their only advice is, we actually MAY NOT be able to train the ECU to save petrol, but its possible to make a makcik's daily marketing BLM to move faster. For those who complain drive by wire, just floor the damn thing and your CAMPUR engine shall immediately response and start roaring!

13" tire on steel rims with rim caps F-LR34psi R-LR32psi

Please enlighten me. I feels like banging myself on the petrol tank just to fuel it up!

Not conclude yet. Since everybody talking about 2k shift up, so I'm trying it now, see whether it helps my fuel efficiency.

I collected the car with emptied fuel tank, so I got a bottle and fueled my car just nice to reach the petrol station. The 1st full tank I fueled my baby with RM63! I didn't manage to record the 1st tank because I don't know how to reset the trip, and I also didn't bother to record the initial value, but I was shocked after I traveled very short distance only. Not that I can remember I had to refill my WIRA1.6 in 2 days time! So, from there I started to record my BLM until today. I fully understand your theory and I totally agreed with it. I was doing that on my 2nd tank of petrol, and I've got less than 10km/l. However, I believe I'm still new with drive by wire, that could cause the inefficiency. I'm trying to TUNE myself in now. Meanwhile, I read it here, can't remember who told they shift within 2krpm, so I thought of give it a try with following 2 tank of petrol. I believe by the time I finish the 1.5 tank of petrol, I already pass the 480km ECU memory threshold. Logically, by the time I'm using this technique on my 2nd tank of petrol, half way I should see the effect, and my fuelly should increase my km/l on my 2nd tank. However, if my 2nd tank still goes between 10~12km/l, I shall dump the idea and search for another holy grail.

Cheers,

David

p/s: Yesterday was driving my ISWARA instead, damn I really miss the comfortable of my BLM, and the not so sound proof's sound proof of the BLM I mean compare all these with an ISWARA, BLM is heaven! In case if you're interested, this is how horrible an old car is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFrDhLgvmZo
Incase the video doesn't work

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 27 2012, 05:06 PM

Nope for my basic kosong spec BLM. I just checked mine, not even RCA output to plug in cable for an amplifier. Had to go Hi2Lo

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 27 2012, 04:54 PM

Yes, I wasn't explain to myself originally. I thought of let you know I'm not going to wait for few weeks for the ECU to adapt. Instead, I can make my decision on my 2nd tong of minyak sawit

Boss, you are the club head ar? Kalau join the club eh, what are the kangtau(s) eh? Normally where do you guys meetup besides of special occasion like konvoi, rally challenge, gymkhana. Got normal yumcha session ka?

Anyways, this is not my car, but he/she got the same spoiler as mine he/she's sumore got TRD wor!!!!



After seeing this, I definitely NEED to take it off ady.

Cheers,

Dave

Marah ke? Sorry, some not sooooo interested post I'll skip punya. Yes indeed, the beginning few pages I did skipped, as everybody is introducing their ride and their skirt/spoiler and accessories only.

Thanks for the heads up. I heard of that too, but my kawan-kawan also said its absurd. However, there is a morale behind this RELIGION. A car with crazing driving break in, the piston ring will be well GRIND in, so as the entire gear box's machines. And therefore, after the crucial 5000 breakin, the car is ready to race, and you decided to drive like makcik pergi pasar, your hardware wise is ready to take any type of driving with less friction/momentum to carry on working. So as the mechanic bawah pokok said, cars that already burning engine oil, smoke like DBKL spray mosquito repellent actually save petrol NOT because of the burning engine oil process helps to reduce petrol consumption, but the less effort to move all the machine inside the engine.

BUT! Very hard to believe lar!!!! How possible for anyone who spend hard earn money to buy a new car, than drive like mad cow whilst the plastic still on the seat?!

p/s: Not marah"ing" you Mr.V12

2-3 vacation not possible for the time being. harimau betina at home wouldn't let me out that long, or I'll get earthquake. However, if got small-small get together, yum cha session at mamak, that I may squeeze in few hours by telling my harimau betina I went OT.

Seriously, regardless which club it is, as long as the head is organizing some event to keep it alive, I believe people will love the taiko! I see you have good heart and contribute a lot! Job well done master! You deserve to be a BLM - BERPOTENSI LAGI MANTAP!

MASTAR OMARA!!! You notice me ka?! Holy molly heappi la My car admired your car veli da much! So, got few questions demanding your answer, specially from your car:

1) How do you hit 7krpm? I haven't even try mine, but I heard a colleague said 6k already cut off? So, does BLM's ECU came with speed limit cut/RPM cut? If yes, how do you overwrite it?
2) How's the petrol consumption when you drive like mad cow, for example those videos?
3) What kinda air filtration you're applying right now? Open pod? Drop in? If you tell me standed ori, I wouldn't believe you unless you have no filter there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXOOqHbw2k
One of my favorite so far!

If not sifu, than call you boss la So, boss, since that part of the story is just the tip of an iceberg, please continue with the absurd theory. I'd like to hear more. May be because of your avatar, provided heavy gun powdered posting, I felt that you're marah² type of person Boss, please don't take this wrong, I admire you people damn a lot wei. You guys are full tank of knowledge(be it truthful or not), the best part of it is, ebibody also never kiamsiap(selfish) about their knowledge and share with us.

I don't spoil my cars, but it takes me awhile to adjust myself. I bought my ISWARA, it took me 2 months to start to drive "properly", baru I dare to test my redline. I bought my WIRA, it took me 6 months to find out it can actually go beyond 180km/h. My current experience with my "new" BLM is, bila corner Kanan, tiba² wiper start wiping my windscreen; otherwise when start to rain, suddenly I felt like wanna pull over(signal kiri telah dipasangkan ) Therefore, my current top speed is >110 <120 Tried to floor the pedal, but its a total different with my WIRA/ISWARA. My WIRA is 1.6 EFI, so when I floor it I can clearly hear a big dip in suction sound as throttle body fully opened, but the tunnel have not fully prepared, then suddenly hear monster suction sound! ROAR!!! As for my ISWARA, pure mechanical reaction. You floor it, it bark immediately! Wolf! Floor it again, it bark harder! Wolf! Wolf! However, my BLM sounded like.....

Floor the pedal, then the engine baru ask "eh? emergency ke? ok I kasi power up skarang". Then only you feel slight increase of power. But its not weak, it just not pushing! The speed is still there! The power is there! Just doesn't have the kind of WILDNESS of an old school engine. I'd say the CAMPUR engine is very smooth and comfort speedup experience.

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 28 2012, 07:06 AM

Thread Supervisor/Security/Superman/Savior or whatever you call it, please redirect me if I'm at the wrong place. Because I'll be posting all about fuel economy stuff. Don't block me/suspend my account, just direct me to the right place. Thank you.

After few days of keep on changing driving style, I'm afraid I've developed Schizophrenia symptom already. Reason being, driving on my BLM 2krpm rpm limit, whereas on my ISWARA I drove like a numb nut! Therefore, I've decided to keep both car's driving style, to shift up 2krpm.

This is how boring I drove an ISWARA shifting within 2krpm:

Again, incase the video didn't work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2GudydMKyo


So far, here is the results. Bear in mind, both car have not went refill, so its all based on indicator against trip meter reading only

BLM
Indicator: 4 box gone, left 2 box
Trip meter: 202km

ISWARA
Indicator: 2.3 box gone, 2.7 box left
Trip meter: 291km WTF?!





WTF?!

2krpm for ISWARA seems pretty good! So, the current INconclusion is:

BLM
S4P torque appeared on higher RPM, keeping low RPM will not save petrol, infact lose out momentum. When you try to gain momentum(speed) to match with the gear, you step on the gas pedal and the engine burn rich. In short, petrol lesap for low efficiency. If you remember Initial D, after Takumi driving the 20v blacktop for the 1st time, when Takumi shift up before the optimal toque appeared, the momentum of the RPM actually dropped out of power band. Anyway, until I get a vacuum meter hook up, there are no reference for me to see whether my right foot is stepping on rich/stoich/lean region.

ISWARA
Mitsubishi 4G series engine came better torque on lower RPM. I'm currently driving it within 2krpm range, provided cruising within 15~20in/hg vacuum(stoich).

I will update again as I went fill up. I will continue this crap with the 2 cars for 2 tank petrol each. Hope this can help us understand more between the old/new SAGA.

I love both my SAGAs

Hi there,

If this is not proper, please direct me to a proper channel. Should we NOT discuss fuel consumption thingy here? Besides, I'm not whining or complaining anyways. Just trying to show you my results and what I did so far trying to save some petrol. I know some people wouldn't mind to spend more on petrol, like DA GREAT AMORA from Kuching. Even he rev his car like that also can do 9km/l on average, I suppose finding out why my BLM waste so much petrol can benefit other BLMers too. I'm new member, so please go easy on me. If this is not proper, I'll go some other thread regarding FC

Thanks and regards,

Dave

I heard he 1 year didn't pay installment, not sure how truthful is that... I went back and check on my system, indeed he 1 year didn't renew roadtax/insurance also. The car was hide in the house for more than a year. I got it for relatively cheap price. By the time I got it, the mileage is only 14k. To be frank, I'm not an expert in EFI vehicles. I used to tune weber/solex carbs. Besides of my old 4G93 coverted SAGA(already sold), this is the 1st time I own a twin cam engine in a local car. Moreover it so damn new CAMPUR engine. I didn't say I'm expert in fuel efficient field, I'm sharing my current experience.

And thank you for pointing out the correct thread. I'll be reporting there instead. So, what do we discuss here normally?

Kind regards,

Dave

This post has been edited by davidke20: Mar 28 2012, 11:44 PM

Please stop this. I'm getting my FC ass off this thread. Will that make everybody happy?

Thanks

Dave

Wei all the brothers & sisters here, turbo for $20, can improve bhp boh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hez8qPzp_1k

Since everytime post youtube also no success, dun wanto post ady la. You click the link and see la.

Cheers