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TSazbro
post Feb 24 2012, 03:24 PM, updated 14y ago

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Hi guys,

I did a search before posting this thread abt 'on wheel balancing' and the effect of it, but more or less the topics was not spot-on.

Anyway, I'm about to send my car for 'on wheel balancing' to cure my New 3 weeks old Pug 308T vibration issues at 130km/h. I did sent the car to Nasim to cure it but they simple send to tire shop to do normal balancing and alignment. And they charge me RM55 for it. But still the same vibration. Tires are ContiSport 3 and stock standard Rims

Now I want to do it outside cos fed up with Nasim. Have to wait a whole day for simple thing (that didn't even work out)

I google around for On-wheel balancing and there are some issues of Problems after doing this like car engine become not smooth (example Altis after did On Wheel Balancing the gear changes not smooth).

Anybody have done 'On-wheel Balancing' to rectify high speed vibrations?

Thanks for any advice..

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post Feb 24 2012, 03:34 PM

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dont worry...no problem... i had done it since new car until now (110k) d... infact, i always prefer to do "on wheel balancing" as it will solve the vibrations @ high speed... infact its get the ride smoother all the way to 180km/h without any steering vibration. as normal balancing from the machine would serve up to 100km only or more (depends on cars). all they going to do is jack up 1 side of your car and they will balance it manually.. (this will take some time for them to find the right spot to place the balancing weight)... just get it done..costs u 20bucks or below... and definitely will solve your problem. try to go reputable shops or pm me if u want to know the shops i usually trust on when doing my balancing... =)..cheers laugh.gif

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post Feb 24 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Feb 24 2012, 08:34 AM)
dont worry...no problem... i had done it since new car until now (110k) d...  infact, i always prefer to do "on wheel balancing" as it will solve the vibrations @ high speed...  infact its get the ride smoother all the way to 180km/h without any steering vibration. as normal balancing from the machine would serve up to 100km only or more (depends on cars). all they going to do is jack up 1 side of your car and they will balance it manually.. (this will take some time for them to find the right spot to place the balancing weight)... just get it done..costs u 20bucks or below... and definitely will solve your problem. try to go reputable shops or pm me if u want to know the shops i usually trust on when doing my balancing... =)..cheers laugh.gif
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it's not the speed, on wheel balances also the brake rotors together hence more accurate than off wheel.

imbalance will show at any speed
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:08 PM

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how bout CVT's gear box ??? will it damage it...sifu's pls help thanks
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Feb 24 2012, 04:08 PM)
how bout CVT's gear box ??? will it damage it...sifu's pls help thanks
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Why would it damage anything at all?

No prob at all...Even more accurate than off wheel
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Feb 24 2012, 04:08 PM)
how bout CVT's gear box ??? will it damage it...sifu's pls help thanks
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I'm also interested to know.

If I'm gonna do on wheel balancing, I'm might ask them to use engine power to run the front wheels instead.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Feb 24 2012, 04:10 PM)
Why would it damage anything at all?

No prob at all...Even more accurate than off wheel
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no idea, personally i think it's ok, but there has been claims that it will damage the CVT....so just asking for confirmation..
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:21 PM

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the only thing it damages is the tires edge.
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post Feb 24 2012, 05:15 PM

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Just to confirm...is this On wheel balancing?


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Pictures taken from mybenz.org...thx

meaning someone will be seating on a small cart.

There is one more balancing called High speed balancing too....seems confusing that when google...it is either done on wheel (using engine power) or off wheel (using the common balancing machine)

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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 24 2012, 04:15 PM)
Just to confirm...is this On wheel balancing?
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Pictures taken from mybenz.org...thx

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post Feb 24 2012, 05:25 PM

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i think less people do this because the lala chai dunno how to use
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post Feb 24 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 24 2012, 05:15 PM)
There is one more balancing called High speed balancing too....seems confusing that when google...it is either done on wheel (using engine power) or off wheel (using the common balancing machine)
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on wheel balancing = high speed balancing lo... usually done at 140km/h like that not if not mistaken ... told by my uncle who running a tyre shop. smile.gif

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post Feb 24 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 24 2012, 05:25 PM)
on wheel balancing = high speed balancing lo... usually done at 140km/h like that not if not mistaken ... told by my uncle who running a tyre shop.  smile.gif
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Thx for all the information...I feel more confident know to send my car to do on wheel balancing....I hope it cures the 130km/h vibration.

Need to google for reputable tireshop to do it in JB. Need experience foreman too.
Hope it doesn't break anything on the car.

Thx again

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post Feb 24 2012, 06:06 PM

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How about gearboxes with LSD? Coz I've been told before that on wheel balancing can damage gearboxes with LSD since one wheel will be on the ground, not moving while it is being done. Any truth is this?
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QUOTE(zx12 @ Feb 24 2012, 06:06 PM)
How about gearboxes with LSD? Coz I've been told before that on wheel balancing can damage gearboxes with LSD since one wheel will be on the ground, not moving while it is being done. Any truth is this?
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dont think itll damage the gearbox...and the gearbox may be the least of ur concern coz most likely ur car will lurch ahead and smash everything in the workshop since both tires will be forced to move.. laugh.gif

but yeah... my old mechanic said he cant do on-wheel with LSD equipped cars as he needs 1 tire to be stationary on the ground. with LSD....both wheel swill be spinning....fast.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 24 2012, 06:21 PM)
dont think itll damage the gearbox...and the gearbox may be the least of ur concern coz most likely ur car will lurch ahead and smash everything in the workshop since both tires will be forced to move..  laugh.gif

but yeah... my old mechanic said he cant do on-wheel with LSD equipped cars as he needs 1 tire to be stationary on the ground. with LSD....both wheel swill be spinning....fast.
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hmm.gif seems legit..how about using the machine mentioned earlier? Is it even possible to do on wheel balancing with both tyres off the ground?
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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 24 2012, 05:32 PM)
Thx for all the information...I feel more confident know to send my car to do on wheel balancing....I hope it cures the 130km/h vibration.

Need to google for reputable tireshop to do it in JB. Need experience foreman too.
Hope it doesn't break anything on the car.

Thx again

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last time i did it at goodyear servitekar at sentosa. maybe can try other branch. my car rembat 170 at highway no vibrations at all, really smooth. kinda scary because steering very light and responsive.

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QUOTE(zx12 @ Feb 24 2012, 06:56 PM)
hmm.gif  seems legit..how about using the machine mentioned earlier? Is it even possible to do on wheel balancing with both tyres off the ground?
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even with the machine the other wheel will still be on the ground..

as for doing it with both tires off the ground.. i did ask... n he still said no....forgot why he said it though
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post Feb 24 2012, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Feb 24 2012, 07:00 PM)
last time i did it at goodyear servitekar at sentosa. maybe can try other branch. my car rembat 170 at highway no vibrations at all, really smooth. kinda scary because steering very light and responsive.
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Yes, I've seen them doing at the shop...the shop is corner shop just after coming in from Tebrau highway traffic right?
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post Feb 24 2012, 09:48 PM

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Oh.. Azbro got urself a 308t... Enjoy ur car man...

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