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Derrick16
post Oct 31 2020, 09:28 PM

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Hi, I would like to seek clarification for Prudential, total multi crisis care insurance. I read through the brochure, there is a clause stated that:-

A maximum of 4 early critical illness (consists of early stage and intermediate stage) claims are allowed subject to RM200,000 per life limit.

If someone purchase the insurance, TMCC with sum insured of RM300k. For eg:-

1st CI, heart attack = early stage claimed should be RM150k
After few years, 2nd CI, cancer = early stage claimed limited to RM50k (instead of RM150k)

Is the illustration above correct?
roystevenung
post Oct 31 2020, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(loui @ Oct 31 2020, 01:29 PM)
Hi

I am interested in infant care plus policy

Can you explain a bit
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The purpose of the Infant Care Plus (ICP) insurance rider is to bridge the insurance protection gap between pregnancy and after the baby is born. The pregnancy stage is considered 'high risk' for many of the insurers, which explains why most of the medical card do not cover pregnancy complications (even if have, it is with a limited amount).

Before the introduction of the ICP, baby insurance policy can only be purchased after the baby is born. If the baby is born healthy (eg, sufficient weight, no health complications) then it will not be any issue to purchase insurance for the new born.

However, if the baby is born with complications (such as under weight, congenital conditions, hole in the heart, or needs to be ICU) then Underwriters will want to wait for at least 2 years to assess before coverage can even be considered.

This is why it is recommended to buy the ICP together with the medical card (for the baby) during pregnancy stage.

Once approve, the ICP covered items starts immediately and there is no waiting period.

However, if the baby is born with any of the Congenital Illness and it is under the covered Congenital Conditions, the claims will fall under the ICP and not the medical card (eg, PruValue Med/PruMillion Med medical card rider). The medical card does not cover Congenital Illness.

For the details of the covered items, the ICP (2 plans), you may refer to the brochure

Infant Care Brochure
roystevenung
post Oct 31 2020, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Derrick16 @ Oct 31 2020, 09:28 PM)
Hi, I would like to seek clarification for Prudential, total multi crisis care insurance. I read through the brochure, there is a clause stated that:-

A maximum of 4 early critical illness (consists of early stage and intermediate stage) claims are allowed subject to RM200,000 per life limit.

If someone purchase the insurance, TMCC with sum insured of RM300k. For eg:-

1st CI, heart attack = early stage claimed should be RM150k
After few years, 2nd CI, cancer = early stage claimed limited to RM50k (instead of RM150k)

Is the illustration above correct?
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Yes the above illustration is correct as Early CI comes with a RM200K per life limit
Derrick16
post Nov 1 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 31 2020, 10:49 PM)
Yes the above illustration is correct as Early CI comes with a RM200K per life limit
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Thanks for the prompt response.
May I know is it encourage to include payor saver rider when consider to buy for total multi crisis care insurance?
What is the benefit of payor saver rider associated with this insurance?

This post has been edited by Derrick16: Nov 1 2020, 11:55 AM
roystevenung
post Nov 1 2020, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Derrick16 @ Nov 1 2020, 11:54 AM)
Thanks for the prompt response.
May I know is it encourage to include payor saver rider when consider to buy for total multi crisis care insurance?
What is the benefit of payor saver rider associated with this insurance?
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If the purpose (to include the payor saver) is to 'project' that the policy is sustainable until the end of the policy term, then yes - because without the saver, the quote cant be generated.

Otherwise, if your purpose is to save or invest then there are other investment opportunities that you may want to explore if you want it for investment purposes.

Buy insurance for its protection value and never for its investment. ILP does not declare dividends unlike pure mutual funds.

Additionally investment is not simply put your money and expect it to grow. Constant monitoring, switching, rebalancing, redirection is required.

Just my 2 cents, other agents may disagree
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post Nov 12 2020, 09:32 PM

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hey roystevenung wanna seek for your advise, is it true that for premium re-direct or switching of fund on investment link policy,
we can only switch between the funds stated in the product disclosure sheet of the policy?

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cannot switch fund not in the policy? because i found there are more performing funds on Prudential funds webside
roystevenung
post Nov 12 2020, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 12 2020, 09:32 PM)
hey roystevenung wanna seek for your advise, is it true that for premium re-direct or switching of fund on investment link policy,
we can only switch between the funds stated in the product disclosure sheet of the policy?

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cannot switch fund not in the policy? because i found there are more performing funds on Prudential funds webside
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This is a Yes and No Answer, depending on the product purchased. Some of the 'savings' / endowment plan it is unable to change fund as there is a 'guarantee' feature on the payment and the funds are managed by Prudential, therefore can't change/switch the fund.

However, for the normal ILP, yes you can redirect/switch funds which are *not* mentioned in the quote/PDS. For example, there is a new fund, PRULink Global Strategic Fund with Hedging#

My personal opinion is that if you are able to monitor the fund DAILY pricing, THEN you should opt to pay the premium manually and strategically pay only when there is a downtrend - to buy more units.

Same analogy goes if you are paying quaterly/half yearly/annually. See the trend as funds tend to stagnant after a while.

HTH

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farizmalek
post Dec 1 2020, 10:01 AM

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Good morning.

I have a question regarding my insurance policy.

Currently I have medical card Prudential BSN Takaful HealthEnrich Premier. Already 10 years.

Normal clauses, etc, etc

Including 90 days before and after warded treatment. Pay and claim.

It is also stated if kena critical illness, cancer, heart bypass, etc automatically no need to pay premium any more.

However in case if kena bypass, you need to take medication for life, is it covered (pay and claim) even after the 90 days?

Thanks in advance.
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post Dec 1 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Dec 1 2020, 10:01 AM)
Good morning.

I have a question regarding my insurance policy.

Currently I have medical card Prudential BSN Takaful HealthEnrich Premier. Already 10 years.

Normal clauses, etc, etc

Including 90 days before and after warded treatment. Pay and claim.

It is also stated if kena critical illness, cancer, heart bypass, etc automatically no need to pay premium any more.

However in case if kena bypass, you need to take medication for life, is it covered (pay and claim) even after the 90 days?

Thanks in advance.
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while waiting for the "official" response from that company,....

my suggestion is to try go read your policy to see if there is something like as per attached image,
then go thru the policy in details to see if routine out patient medication for by pass is covered or not ....

better yet, call/email the company directly to seek "sure" confirmed, latest & valid answers


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roystevenung
post Dec 1 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Dec 1 2020, 10:01 AM)
Good morning.

I have a question regarding my insurance policy.

Currently I have medical card Prudential BSN Takaful HealthEnrich Premier. Already 10 years.

Normal clauses, etc, etc

Including 90 days before and after warded treatment. Pay and claim.
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It is also stated if kena critical illness, cancer, heart bypass, etc automatically no need to pay premium any more.
There is no such clause stated in the policy document as you claim above. It waives the contribution amount, but there is no mentioned whatsoever that you are not required to pay premium anymore if diagnosed with any of the CI.

First of all, it won't be automatic as your agent will need to submit a Critical Illness Claim (after 30 days upon diagnosis) together with the Doctor's report.

Secondly, the payment contribution (based on your frequency of payment, eg monthly/quarterly/half yearly or annually) will be taken over by the insurer and pay on your behalf and not "no need to pay premium any more".

As we grow older (or if there are other factors that affects the cost and cash value eg, medical reprising, funds not performing, withdrawals) our cost of insurance for the medical cover will still increase, therefore there is still a risk that the cost of insurance is more than the contribution.

If and when this occurs, you may be required to do a top up in order to sustain the policy.

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However in case if kena bypass, you need to take medication for life, is it covered (pay and claim) even after the 90 days?

Thanks in advance.
No, medication after the 90 days is not covered.

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post Dec 1 2020, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2020, 10:27 AM)
while waiting for the "official" response from that company,....

my suggestion is to try go read your policy to see if there is something like as per attached image,
then go thru the policy in details to see if routine out patient medication for by pass is covered or not ....

better yet, call/email the company directly to seek "sure" confirmed, latest & valid answers
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post Dec 1 2020, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Dec 1 2020, 11:15 AM)
There is no such clause stated in the policy document as you claim above. It waives the contribution amount, but there is no mentioned whatsoever that you are not required to pay premium anymore if diagnosed with any of the CI.

First of all, it won't be automatic as your agent will need to submit a Critical Illness Claim (after 30 days upon diagnosis) together with the Doctor's report.

Secondly, the payment contribution (based on your frequency of payment, eg monthly/quarterly/half yearly or annually) will be taken over by the insurer and pay on your behalf and not "no need to pay premium any more".

As we grow older (or if there are other factors that affects the cost and cash value eg, medical reprising, funds not performing, withdrawals) our cost of insurance for the medical cover will still increase, therefore there is still a risk that the cost of insurance is more than the contribution.

If and when this occurs, you may be required to do a top up in order to sustain the policy.
No, medication after the 90 days is not covered.
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nova84
post Dec 9 2020, 12:14 AM

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Hi,would like to seek your advise,
Female,age 36, 250/per mth,
Current plan as below :
Prulink plan 100k
Crisis Defender 40k
Crisis Shield Benefit 10k
Enhanced Prupayor Basic 3k
PruValue Med 200.00 (Room&Board)
PruValue Med-Med Saver/Deductible 300.00
PruValue Med 1M

was thinking to do a review and upgrade for more protection,
Appreciate any advice given and thanks in advance!
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post Dec 22 2020, 11:02 AM

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For investment-linked policies, if I put extra money into my insurance, does the extra automatically go to investment and becomes my cash value?
And can I withdraw them out to my bank, next time if I want to? Thank you!
roystevenung
post Dec 22 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(netguy @ Dec 22 2020, 11:02 AM)
For investment-linked policies, if I put extra money into my insurance, does the extra automatically go to investment and becomes my cash value?
And can I withdraw them out to my bank, next time if I want to? Thank you!
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No, any extra premium paid, it will not go automatically into the Investment Unit Account (IUA).

It will go into a suspense account (floating) there until utilized.

If you intend to do top up into the policy underlying fund, you may do so via single top up or regular via prusaver 95% allocation rate.

My personal advice is to only do single top up, by monitoring yourself the trend of the fund.

Some agents may advise you to do regular top ups to do Dollar Cost Averaging, but personally for me its complete bull. Why? Is because if you do regularly, commission is earn, 3%!

Investing when the fund is at an all time high, good luck getting your money's worth. Just my 2 1/2 sense.

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post Jan 7 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 11 2020, 02:28 PM)
I don't normally answer a question with more questions but in order for you to have a better decision making on whether to switch, you need to be aware of these things...

Why do you think you will need rm1.38m annually for hospital bill? Is it to cater for medical inflation? 🤔

Supposed that you claimed out Rm500k for the hospital bill, then what? Do you think you can still work to still generate an income? If not HOW MUCH DOES PRUDENTIAL PAY TO YOU since we already paid Rm500k to the hospital... I would opine that this is MORE important than to worry of how much is being paid to the hospital and NOT A SINGLE cent is paid to you.

On the PVM n PMM

Are you also been made aware that the medical insurance charges for the PruMil Med will cost Rm10k pa when you are age 76-80?

Do you know that if you don't claim for PVM for 2 years, the Med Value Point (MVP) will increase by 2% (Rm20k pa) for a Rm1m MVP?
The Unallocated and agent commission starts all over, and the 2 years Incontestibility period applies to the upgraded medical plan, as already mentioned few post back.

PruLink One is not phased out as it is an ILP product that is up to age 100. It is because PMM can only be a rider in PruWith You policy that it needs to be on a separate policy.

Why is it so? Sorry I don't know cause I am not involved in the product design.
Bear in mind that the sustainability is using a fixed formula to calculate on paper, it may differ from the actual performance.

More importantly is that you need to keep track of the projected vs the actual to really understand whether the policy is sustainable in the real world rather on paper.

The recent events (political, pandemic etc) that saw the collapse of many funds are things that is not being foreseen in the projection of the cash values.
So get the Rm1.5 or Rm2m, PVM if you are that worried of medical inflation.

At the same time do remember to top up on your CI/TPD as explained above.

If unable to work due to serious illness/accidents and if your income is Rm5k per mth, that is Rm600k loss of income for the next 10 years to you or your family.

That IMHO is better to be protected rather than worry about just the medical cost...
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post Jan 7 2021, 12:42 PM

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May I know what you mean the medical insurance charges for the PruMil Med will cost Rm10k pa when you are age 76-80? Is it the insurance charges will increase every year or what?
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QUOTE(lee1994 @ Jan 7 2021, 12:42 PM)
May I know what you mean the medical insurance charges for the PruMil Med will cost Rm10k pa when you are age 76-80? Is it the insurance charges will increase every year or what?
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PruValue Med Cost of Insurance

The projected cost of insurance for the medical coverage is mostly found in the brochure of the medical card that you purchased.

Yes the COI will increase as you grow older (which is also been mentioned in the Sales Quote).

If you require more reading, checkout my blog Insurance 101
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post Jan 7 2021, 02:21 PM

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Actually I couldn't find any brochures about PruMillion Med. Do you have it?
My current plan is PruValue Med. The COI of this plan also increase as I grow older?
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QUOTE(lee1994 @ Jan 7 2021, 02:21 PM)
Actually I couldn't find any brochures about PruMillion Med. Do you have it?
My current plan is PruValue Med. The COI of this plan also increase as I grow older?
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PruMillion Med

All insurance COI increase as we get older as insurance is a business of risk transfer

The higher the risk, the higher the Cost of Insurance.

As age gets higher the spare part easily worn out, so to speak

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