Altough it's not running MeeGo, I'm still glad it's not Windows Phone OS. I believe many Symbian owners are glad too, and for those Andorid users who are looking for flexibility, freedom, customization, they'll be glad that it isn't WP. Although there're some that said they hope it's a WP, but most likely they don't know about WP restrictions and limitations or even used one, they just want WP because it's the newer OS (as usual, general perception = new is better, old is outdated).

To me, Symbian is still a better and proper smartphone OS, with better contacts management, support for 3G Video Calls, etc. It's working FINE for a smartphone. It needs to work on the notifications and it's lacking apps. If there is decent apps available, I would favor it over Android. Both Symbian and Android are good competition against each other and alternatives for one another, as both have the flexibility, customizations, etc.
For Symbian owners, their best alternatives would be Android as WP will be a major lockdown and loosing a lot of features. Similarly, if Android users want to move to Nokia, their best alternative will be Symbian, OS wise, not talking about apps.

N8 is good, but it's camera performance isn't so. I have sold the N8.
Have you tried the 808 PureView? I'm actualy very surprised and shock when I see one of the video; It's sooo smooth and fast, and the zooming also smooth unlike conventional zoom with the juddering. The focusing speed is a fast. Finally the video and audio recording is simply amazing. I went and test out briefly at Nokia Store, the camera performance is indeed very smooth and fast, N8 is slow and laggy, AF speed is also slow. I would say the 808 is quite a major improvement over the N8, personally. Moreover, when I shot at full resolution 38MP, I zoom in maximum, it's still sharp albeit there is noise at higher ISO, but still sharp. I'm actually very impressed, but I'm not really sure on the low light performance as the Nokia Store isn't really low light.

This is the video:

LoL, just stating the 808 PureView improvements over N8, and surprising performance. Never expected from Symbian. The camera is really smooth and fast, unlike other Symbians.

Nope, not gonna sell the N9 nor N900. It's a masterpiece collection, lol.
808 not gonna be main phone, don't think I want that; If I get it, I will try to keep it simple to preserve more battery life and also less resource running for smoother performance.

Before Maemo, I'm Symbian user for long time and it's hard to change to other OS that time even though I have Windows Mobile; But Symbian it's still a better and proper smartphone, even today, it's still better than Android as a smartPHONE; it's contacts management, SMS, or phone functionality still works better than the rest so far.

I'm already carrying 2 devices, SEX Pro and N9. The hard thing to decide is how will 808 fit in. I still want N9's social networking and sharing capability, mainly. Android is the apps and choices of browser, have to check on Symbian's part. If Symbian were to replace the Android, then I need to think about letting go hardware keyboard and may suffer, making N9 the primary device. May suffer without hardware keyboard, lol.

Hard choice for non-Symbian users. For Symbian users, I believe they will be glad as they're been waiting for a flagship Symbian device or a good Symbian device to replace their aging ones (especially the N8 owners). With so many Symbian owners, I wonder if there's enough 808 in Malaysia for them since according to Nokia Rep from SG, it will be limited.
There're also many other non-internet savvy users using Symbian, mostly not the younger generations, e.g. my uncles and aunties, some of them still using Symbian and they'll be gladly upgrade to 808 I believe, the problem now is, got stock or not?

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Added on June 12, 2012, 9:51 amAnother reason is "impression" or "perception"
"Symbian ah? Old OS, outdated" --> Judge by cover/name

So, sometimes, people tend to use NEW name
NEW - "Wah, NEW OS, good one"
Add in some marketing and push the brand name, it will get even better...


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 12 2012, 09:51 AM

Yup, there's the goods and there's the bads.
For me, the death is doesn't really bother me, if there is a better spec device capable of running Maemo/MeeGo, I don't mind getting it.
But then, most people would mind even if it's not important.
E.g. the OS is stable and has little issues, people just want to know still supported and got update, maybe as a sense of satisfaction.
Many people use Windows and never bother what updates are available.

LoL, PureView upgrade for N9? I think only the camera, video playback, video recording department?
OS wise, still MeeGo is a better choice, as I said before, MeeGo is a good replacement/upgrade for Symbian; They should work on MeeGo as planned, where MeeGo will be their high end devices. The MeeGo devices is to be placed a level above smartphone as it's a different class from normal smartphone OS. Sadly, Elop comes in and the roadmap got scrapped off.

Before Maemo (or N900), I cannot switch away from Symbian as it's contacts management is good, with groupings, SMS, SMS archiving/organizing to folders (e.g. Jokes, Birthday Wishes, etc), etc. Maemo OS is the one that gives such great amazing experience that I'm willing to give up and loosing all my SMS stored for like more than 5 years since Nokia 6600. MeeGo would also be the same as it's like a good replacement for Symbian, just that they should apply/implement Symbian's contacts management and SMS into Maemo/MeeGo.

As for Androids, I think around or after Froyo is when it's gets better, and with Full Flash support, but the main issue is still the poor multi-tasking and memory management. Really awful even with ICS, Symbian is still much better, sorry to say this, and ICS seems to introduce new problems as well. Overall, both Symbian and Android has it's own strengths and weaknesses; Personally, I actually think and feel Symbian is better as a smartPHONE, it's lacking on apps and games, and of course, the hardwares and screen resolution support.
Probably I haven't used a good Android before, or maybe I just cannot stand it's poor multi-tasking. Spoilt with Maemo & MeeGo TRUE multi-tasking

Symbian does have call recording right? There's also voice recorder and several other things. If not wrong, it's been available since the early Symbians. I remember my 6600, installed tons of apps and games, even NGage games. While others are playing 8 bit? like Java games, we're playing much higher quality KOF from NGage and not to mentioned multi-play via bluetooth.

iOS and WP needless to say, they're out of the comparison; To me, they're just a mediaOS. I don't see them as a smartphone due to the characteristics (similar with media player).

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Added on June 13, 2012, 12:22 amTrue true, wait for sifu Aspire review.

My phone usually took personal photos more, and usually indoor low light; what to do, got BB is like this loh. lolx

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 13 2012, 12:22 AM

Not yet complete?
"I am here with you...
Though we're far apart...
We're always in this forum"

Get error when trying to install FireFox13...
Already uninstall FF12

Tried uninstall Flash Player, still unable to install FF13.

Any ideas?

I tried above, got ver 13, but the file name goes like this:
fennec_13.0_armel.fennec.FAILED
LoL

WHen I execute via dpkg -i command, it gives me error that Aegis is rejecting. All listed package files rejected.

Don't allow me to remove, permission denied.

Any ideas?

Just got it, just now I did use devel-su command, but didn't know I'm on different directory, keep "ls" nothing happen. Haven't touch linux commands since N900 lol.
Just now re-try with "cd .." finally go back to root directory and now its working, Aegis allow also already, which same issue with zachary.
Will try deleting it now.

EDIT:
Successfully deleted the files.

BUT... Firefox missing in OVI Store???

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 13 2012, 05:12 PM

I use OVI Store, that's why. Seems everyone who use OVI Store also face this problem as I read from tmo...
There's also alternatives, Nightly, it's FF15 and the HTML5 test yields better result than PC version?

Thanks bro. I think maybe there's some problem with direct installation from OVI Store as discuss in TMO. Maybe they're fixing it.

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Added on June 13, 2012, 5:36 pmN9 or 808?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 13 2012, 05:36 PM

Can't check, office block flickr

Further prove on what I highligted before:
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my...-elop-on-meego/



This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 15 2012, 09:31 AM

It's getting really ugly, cuts 10,000 jobs including their homeland office.
Now even selling patents and their $$ not just from Lumia, but also from patent royalty. So, Lumia sales is really bad going worst?

I'm actually very curious why they never see something that is very wrong ever since they announce death of Symbian? Now it's sooo bad already, still no action? Is it because they've been binded by MS contract or something that the public have no idea of? Or there is some secret behind, a big plan going on, and this was all going according to their plan? As long as the top people still get their $$$, and it doesn't matter who got laid off? And the end result is something that we will only see later?
Don't know, it's just VERY WEIRD or maybe I influenced too much by MGS.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 15 2012, 10:40 AM

If they think there is ONE OS to RULE them all, then they're very wrong. Even the almighty iOS can't do it and have to face though competition from Android. Android can't rule them all as well.

Nokia should've gone multi-platform, should tap into every market and get their customers. As a plus, they have Symbian and MeeGo OS, they could easily uphold their No. 1 spot and be far in front. Their major lost is the Symbian customers jumping over to Androids (specifically Samseng, which make Samseng No. 1 today). Even just among my friends, most of them are Samseng users now, and most (if not all) were once Nokia users (not to mentioned many of them didn't like Samseng before). Even iPhone didn't make such impact.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 15 2012, 11:28 AM

Goosebump! What the author wrote, really happen today. Semi-Accurate, now that's Pretty-Accurate.

What I see here is, OS wise, it looks more informative and functional or more features than iOS and WP7?

Single ecosystem sounds powerful, but I wonder how many people appreciate and needs it.
It still comes back to the smartphone OS, if they don't fix the restrictions and limitations, it WILL fail. It's just a simple thing, it's just a matter of simple management decisions OR those management need to get out of their comfort chair, stop looking at statistics or reports, come and understand what user wants and what is the problem with their OS.

They motto of Windows Phone is "Putting People First". I don't see how if reflects on the product; It's more like putting themselves first.

As for Nokia:
What I'm wondering is, can those Nokia dealers survive relying on Lumia which I believe their sales is much more worst than Symbians. Not everyone can stand and live with the restrictions and limitations, some may "TRY" to accept it, but as they use it, they will feel the inconvenience (or embarass); hence why there're quite a number of people selling off their Lumias. Now, many people may still have no idea and may buy it, but later what will happen? Can the dealer rely on Lumia sales?

It seems there's no Nokia Store in Setia City Mall, which is unusual. I believe if these dealers voice out to Nokia directly, it'll be a powerful voice and may get more attention.

Windows Phone path is brutally killing Nokia; Unless Windows Phone 8 has big changes and removes most (if not all) of those limitations and restrictions... but, I think it's rather low chance from the way they do things.

Nope, not me.

Those are one technical limitations.
What's worst is the limitation for even end users, such as, poor contacts management (proper support for multiple mobile?), Market limitation (bind to region, this is very annoying, it's worst than Apple; Why do they need to be so strict? Unless there's legal law for specific apps for specific country, why is there need to differentiate? It also makes them harder to maintain, harder to distribute, harder to update, harder to release, etc. It's just plain stewpid, I'm sorry to say this again, plain stewpid, waste their time, make end users suffer and question why or feeling indifferent, in short, it's BAD BAD BAD). Hearing from people with lots of experience with Apple and Windows Phone, it's sad to know how much more restricted Windows Phone is (or how much more stewpid it is, if Apple isn't already stewpid).

If Windows Phone were to be successful and to even be able to show up as a competitor, there's A LOT of things it needs to improve, limitations and restrictions removed.....
Smoothness and Fluidity is not everything... others can do it too one day, yet they're providing much more stuffs.

Oh, not to mention Windows Phone apps/games are usually much more expensive.




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How are you able to get the N950? Ebay? 2nd Hand? New?

The major problem, WP8 not only available for Nokia.

Now ask majority people out there, Nokia or Samseng.
Nokia already tarnish their image through all these. It's hard to "recover" especially when you have hurt and pissed people off (e.g. those switch from Nokia Symbian to Samseng; those currently using Nokia WP7.5)

L900 release date is bad timing, just when they going to announce WP8 and to announce it won't be available as an update.

It's like MS totally care less about Nokia condition. Well, they don't have to care anyway, they still have other players. They just need Nokia to help them sell their WP7 devices and to promote WP until they're ready with WP8.


Some positive but more bad news for Nokia. Paid or not paid, it could also be under their agreement contract already, or worst yet, Microsoft may just acquire it later and you may see the brand new name 'Microsoft Maps with FREE turn by turn navigation'; By using this, they can compete with Google.

I don't think Samseng need to worry or anything? Do they have their own Samseng maps?
Their brand and device is getting more popular in Asia especially. In US or Europe, probably they would prefer US or Euro brand (though, there're those that already hated Nokia due to all the disappointment; One important thing to know is that, it's very hard to recover and gain back people's confidence and trust, so it's very important not to disappoint and hurt the customers.