Good points, but there's still market. If not because of WP7, I think the 808 will still be available there. Just like how they decided not to market Nokia N9 over there. Big or Small, I think there's still market. They can cater for those who wants it; If it sells and people start accepting it, it will make a difference, but now it seems more like, better don't. WHAT IF,.... people start liking Symbian there? After all, it's not suppose to survive.

Their Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo plan was going well, before WP. I remember the have great plans, plus with Qt slowly making appearance. The Qt apps were available on Symbian, Maemo and then MeeGo.

Now all the previous effort and everything they've done,... just gone.

Windows Phone... got the potential and looks promising, but why got so many limitations and restriction like Apple. It's just.... weird. It's like giving you something good, then turn you off.
E.g. Bought a 3L Sports car, so syok got power, but later found out the car got restriction and limitation, SPEED LIMIT lock at 100km/h and got REV LIMITER at 4K RPM. In other Malaysian term, it's called "Potong Stim".
There's difference with something that's a TRUE limitations, e.g. a 1.0L car, want to go over say 250km/h VS a 3.0L car want to go over 250kmh/h. We know which one is possible. Similarly, for bluetooth file transfer, mass-storage, etc. all these are NOT what it cannot do, it's what they don't let us do. All this is thanks to the "poisonous" APPLE. Before Apple, where got company think of doing this? It's just plain

Of course, there're people who say "not important to me" or "I don't use it", but that's NOT the point, because it's not just about "some" customer who don't mind. It's about meeting more demands and having more functions/features.
Don't need/Not important, then don't use. Isn't it better TO HAVE? They DON'T charge extra.
But if customers say DON'T NEED, then how to convince manufacturer's to give?

Yup, for Nokia, I'm sure they want to target more Customers. But Windows Phone is controlled by Microsoft, so now there's problem.

Just now lunch, I just got another good example:
Imagine there's a restaurant which sells Porridge. Will you only sell porridge? Or you should also sell other variety of food?
If you only sell porridge, you may loose customers. Why? Example: If got 3 friends, 1 person don't want to eat porridge, so what happen? They go other shop.
If you sell porridge and other food, you will be able to get more customers.

So, simple things like bluetooth file transfer, mass-storage, etc. Because don't have, some people will not buy the phone. Is it the function and feature cannot be implemented? Is it no hardware? Is it very hard to do? Answer is NO to all, it can be easily implemented, it's a COMMON feature and available for most if not all smartphones. So, in the first place, WHY DID THEY NOT INCLUDE IT?
If this OS is develop by Nokia, I'm sure they would've include this. EVEN if it's really develop by Microsoft, they would've include it. But Windows Phone doesn't really feel like have true connection with Microsoft, more like there's some more complicated "affairs".

If this continues, things will just get worst; Just like what I said, keep selling porridge only and expect everyone to eat porridge.

For official Twitter app and more apps. I believe Nokia can take the effort to push and make it available?
In terms of smartphone, contacts management, phone usage; I think Symbian is one of the best?

I don't know if it can be revived back in US market, but just as you said about MP; it's all about marketing. Belle feels "Android-ish" and it's smooth, have portrait and landscape homescreen support, etc. It's competitive against Android. It lacks apps and games, but it was once having more than Android. Nokia doesn't have to bring ALL the apps and games, just focus on the popular ones, but then, they're limited with the low spec hardware. For the push notifications system, again, it can be improved.

Anyway, in US, there're more supportive of local brand, not because Symbian is not good enough.

True, many misconception and many people jumps to conclusion before understanding. Luckily GSMArena is different and actually take the initiative to speak to the man himself, Damian Dining, and providing clear explanation and information about their PureView technology and why they did this.

Not sure the details, but I believe it's not as simple as got push. Look at Maemo and MeeGo as example, and then Bada from Samseng.

See what Microsoft done to get more developers compared to Nokia; and also multi-level company, things get really messy for even a simple process.
Just for example:
Big boss wants improvements on the system, encourage their staff to present their ideas, implement the improvements, etc.
Staff motivated, propose and want to modify. Their superior may/may not support it, if may go through this level, but reach Project Manager, it may been rejected because the PM may know nuts about details and want to keep things simple, don't want to have more work, don't want current program to fail, don't want later need to modify other program also, etc.
End of the day, nothing is done, and comes next term, Big Boss sends out same mail again, and ask why the staff has no improvements.

In short, things is not always what it seems.

I don't find Android any better than Symbian. No contacts grouping, contacts are messy, and it also depend on manufacturer. HTC one is much better. There's no standard, to me this is failure.
To me, the default Android contacts management should have done very well, thus regardless of manufacturer's version, it should have the similar functions and features, the manufacturer should just ENHANCE by adding what it's lacking. But the default one is already a failure.

Integration of services is also a failure and very messy for me. MeeGo and Windows Phone is the proper way.

Social Network Integration was first introduce in Maemo, then Android applied this but I find it a failure; Chat was not integrated, you need to separate Chat app and run the service, you need ONE for EACH instant messenger.
For this, Maemo and MeeGo is way better IMO.

Yes, apps doesn't need, but games do, especially HD games; Moreover, people would want snappy performance, especially when they're playing games, have incoming SMS or phonecalls, the phone needs to be responsive. So, good memory management is one thing, they should also provide hardware that is better than "recommended" or "minimum". Perhaps they forgotten that the hardware is not upgradeable, not enough RAM, you can't upgrade the RAM even you got the "moolah".

True, but as I've mentioned above about the multi-level thing; It can get really messy and not what you wanted.
It's also perhaps what happen to Windows Phone.

Hence, that's why people always say, it's important for the managers to get out of their comfort chair and get into the battlefield, understand the situation and scenario.
Most of the time, they want to see reports, statistics. These report/statistic are usually "made" to look good, if it's not good, the managers questions and make fuss, so what happen? People adjust the report/statistics to make it look good and please to upper management.

I won't say didn't try, but I would say, it may not as what it seems, and they may not try hard enough or whatever. Check TMO, got one member is ex-Nokia staff in US, he wrote few things about Nokia; all I can say is, they don't listen.

Look at Flash 10 for Nokia N900, it was develop first for N900, tested and working, BUT never released. Nobody knows why, check with Adobe forums, the staff mentioned it's "depends on Nokia". Perhaps there is some fee that needs to be paid or some license, etc. I have no idea, nothing is let known to the customers or public. BUT even if it does, it may not be the truth, "as usual".

Yup, HTC Contacts Management is way better than Sony and Samsung.
For me, I don't like these kind of multi-standards thing, it's messy, annoying. They should come up with proper standard and the stock Android should provide all these by default, it's not Android 1.0, it's already gone through so much revision.

Have yet to see ICS version; I can only hope for a better one.

Yes, they should also have dedicated app of course. Having integration is not something you can purchase off from the market/store, but apps yes. So, integration is higher priority to me and it make everything so much better. With Android, I need to have the Skype app running in background taking up memory, if I have other instant messaging, all these will be running in the background.

No dedicated app can be a problem but it's mainly because the platform is declare death before it's even born.
Plus, if they actually work on it, they can make sending and receiving file possible through the integration.

In short, I can only say, there's a lot of potential but they decided to abandon it.

Yes, but because of the poor hardware, some of the higher quality games can't be ported. You will STILL loose customers. Ask aspire or those that play games, how much they enjoy their HD games on other platforms.

In short, you're loosing out no matter what. Hardware on mobile devices can't be upgraded, and Nokia is famous for providing like recommended or minimum amount of memory in the past, most of their Symbian device will suffer from lack of memory, even if you're not a heavy user. That's epic.
It makes people wonder, WHY? if they've given more, it would've been SO MUCH better.

Any difference with Elop?
I still don't get his purpose of killing off everything else, and have to do it BEFORE Lumia even launch or whether it will be successful or not.
It's like killing the other products before your new product is release and not even know whether the new product can be successful? Is there any business which do this?
Kill your current product, ANNOUNCE IT, everyone knows, risk loosing customer, when your NEW product still have long time to show itself and it's not even sure if it will be accepted and successful?
Why do you want to loose your customers?

I don't know; to me it all sound too weird and fishy.
Maybe this is new kind of modern business strategy. Instead of opening 2 tap water, you reduce your current flowing tap water WHILE still developing your NEW tap water, that will take some time before it can start flowing, not to mention no guarantee it will flow or how well it will flow, or can it even be as good as the current one.
I'm not a business person, but still I find this strategy very, erm... put in different way,... unique?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 18 2012, 09:45 AM

Now THAT'S a MAJOR impact and news for Windows Phone.

I starting to wonder if this is Microsoft or this is Apple.

Even 5 years ago also no use. iPhone still can get more users because there is jailbreak. Many people I know still use iPhone or iPad because it can jailbreak.

Even my cousin, who knows nothing about smartphone, also want to jailbreak the iPad.

Windows Mobile was never same like Windows Phone. Windows Mobile you can do so much.
Windows Phone is like iOS.
They should make Windows Phone easy to use, smooth like iOS, but still flexible like Windows Mobile. BUT, sadly they didn't.

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Added on April 23, 2012, 10:34 amAnd they're planning to go full force on Windows Phone OS.

I think the only anticipated device that can be looked upon right now from Nokia is the 808 PureView. Thank goodness it's not running Windows Phone OS.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 23 2012, 10:34 AM

Yup, not big hit, but IMPORTANT to Nokia... it can help to KEEP/MAINTAIN Nokia Customers who haven't jump ship. At least they have a choice and a good device. There're also many N8 owners, or even some older models.

Beside that it also attract some Android/iPhone owners, my friends who's using iPhone and Androids, has never look at Nokia since they jump ship. Now they're interested in the 808 PureView.
Yes, they're not keen with Symbian, when asked Windows Phone or Symbian, all of them straight answer Symbian. ALL, it's not majority, it's ALL.

When there're no more Symbian phones from Nokia, that's when things get worst. Will those Nokia users who are still using Symbian right now switch to Windows Phone?
Or will they go for other platforms.
If they have to go through those restrictions and limitations, most likely they will choose iPhone?
If they want flexibility like their current Symbian, their only choice is Android.
I wonder what will happen when the time comes.
Will Microsoft loosen up their Windows Phone OS?
Can Nokia make any changes or difference? It's critical moment as they're loosing Customers everyday.
You can even see how many Lumia owners are selling off their devices.
Based on LYN forum thread, Nokia N8 thread was so darn hot BEFORE even it was launch. Just look at the reception of Nokia Symbian phones against Lumia phones, it's just so huge difference. Even Maemo and MeeGo thread was better than Lumia.

We should see the bigger picture, means not just one customer.
It will affect the entire business.

Based on this: http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/enjo...veloper-unlock/

Seems like MS is worst. Really cannot believe.

At least you can still Jailbreak iPhone and there're huge support and tons of things in Cydia. Windows Phone?
It's been so long since it was release? Yet, nothing much.

Funny news:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/...a?newsfeed=true

In the last paragraph, it's saying Microsoft should drop Nokia? LoL?
I think it should be the other way around. It seems more like MS is relying on Nokia, their OS didn't sell well on Samseng, HTC, etc. They rely on Nokia, and I would believe it's MS decision to force Nokia to drop other platforms and go solely on WP as it fear the other OS may affect it's sales and end up like Samseng and HTC for example.
It's simple concept, open 2 tap water (Android and Windows Phone), see which tap flows better then concentrate there. Which is what Samseng and HTC applied, thus they have been concentrating on Android.... So, Microsoft is begging for help....

Nokia has other choices from Symbian, MeeGo, even Android. So I don't believe Nokia relying on Microsoft at all. It's obvious that Microsoft has no where to go to and who else to look for if not the ONCE King?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 24 2012, 10:25 AM

In my point of view, the burning platform is WP.
Symbian may have problems but it is STILL doing miles better than WP, right? So how does it qualify to replace Symbian, it's burning even harder than Symbian.
Symbian still sells better, more people are using. To replace this, you need an OS that is similar and capable of taking over Symbian. WP clearly does not even come close. WP is more like for those who want something different from Symbian... WHICH IN THIS CASE, it should be as an ADDITIONAL OS, to capture MORE market, NOT TO REPLACE.

Imagine a shop that sell porridge, suddenly change and want to sell mee and expect all the porridge customer to eat mee.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 24 2012, 12:29 PM

I think no need galaxy Y, even dumbphone can send via bluetooth?
So what's a smartphone?

There's more:
1. If you got 2 phone, you want to transfer file to another phone of yours.... How?
Upload to SkyDrive or Email to yourself, then use another phone and download it.
So, if you want to win the Windows Phone Challenge, challenge them to send files to another device; I think anyphone will beat it easily.

2. If you go took a lot of photo and you want to transfer to your friends laptop/PC.
HOW?
You need to install Zune, first you need to have internet connection to download. You need to wait for the download then installation process, the OS also needs to be Windows XP SP3 or later.
OR
You can upload somewhere or send email, which will be very tedious is say you got a lot of photos,... AND you need to have internet connection and the laptop/PC also.

I think you don't need to a smart user to know how stupid is that.

3. Some office blocks some website, and limit the usage of internet, and they also don't allow installation of softwares like Zune, iTunes, etc.
So, if you want to transfer files to your office PC, big problem.

All I can say is, this is not what smartphone suppose to do. This is making things worst and more troublesome.

Borrow your above, not related to your father but as GENERAL for manufacturer.
Whether "some" user got use or not is not the matter. Even don't use, doesn't mean don't need to have this feature.
So, it's not right to remove or don't provide. The product should suit more people.

We don't want to become like iFag, when they don't have flash, they will give excuse they don't need or don't use. That's not the point, and that's just like finding excuse to cover the weakness of the product. IF it's a weakness/drawback, admit it loud and proud and make the manufacturer notice and include it. To them, it's not something hard to do, and GOT or NO, the price of the device is still same. So, don't have means? You get LESS.

The funny thing is, when iPhone launch, everyone is teasing and making fun of iPhone for the lack of mass storage, bluetooth file transfer, Flash, etc. Even Windows Mobile users. Now Microsoft slaps their user in their faces with the SAME restrictions and limitations. Now, how will the users of Windows Phone react? Will they become like iFag last time? OR they will be different? If they become the same as them (e.g. gives excuses), then what makes them different from those iFags and qualify them to tease and make fun of iPhone back then?

They don't have to make Android their primary platform, but to have this as an "addition" so they can GRAB the market.

The large user of the market is Android now, and people from Symbian are jumping to Android. So, Nokia is loosing out. Many of these Symbian users, MAY still choose a Nokia phone, IF Nokia offers Android variant, EVEN if the specs is not the latest. I would say it's a loss they did not grab these market of customers and loosing these customers.


Not only that, they claimed before it's born.
They also claim Symbian's funeral in FUTURE, when they just about starting to adopt Windows Phone.
You have no Windows Phone to sell anytime soon, not even an image or information, you tell people your current product is dead or will be executed soon? What kind of strategy is that? Even the article mentioned that.

Symbian is part of Nokia large profit, when they announce that EVEN before they have any new/replacement product, they started to loose their Symbian customers. Even they come up with Anna and Belle, no matter how good, people are still leaving.
So, EVEN if Anna Belle managed to make people start to have confidence in Symbian AGAIN, but because they announce the death which is coming soon, people start leaving already. SO.... is the RATINGS or RESPONSE fair?
If they need to product statistics or results on how the new improve Symbian is doing, how will it the result/statistic shows? Supposed, it should show POSITIVE, but because of the announcement, it becomes worst or no improvement? So, the shareholders, etc. will start to think that the NEW improve Symbian Anna Belle is still a failure? EVEN actually it may not be the true case?
Hm... can I think this as a strategy to bring down and make the new improve Symbian looks bad so they will not decide to continue with Symbian?
Fishy Fishy.

Nokia once World No. 1 Giant for mobile phones.
1. Decided not to have Android OS --> Samseng take --> Gain all the market and share that Nokia could've owned.
2. Decided to ditch MeeGo, leaving Intel alone --> Samseng take and rescue --> Soon to gain more market and share that Nokia could've owned.
Moreover, with Samseng brand gaining more popularity, it will in return help to boost this OS image, and at the same time, if the OS is really good, it will in return help boost Samseng image even further.
Nokia Nokia Nokia, WHY? Now it's already falling behind Samseng in just like 1 year or less?
What's Samseng last year? Before that, Samseng shop in Pyramid is like typical small retail phone shop. Now? It looks like a professional high class store with smart professional looking sales, outclassing Nokia. They even setup a Service Centre in Klang already.
Looks like Samseng pwned PaiKia badly this time.

Have you tried restarting the device.

I'm sure if it's possible to restart or rebuild the tracker daemon; For N900, there is an app for this.

There's terminal command for this, but if not wrong, you need root prividledge

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Added on May 4, 2012, 11:19 amNokia going Windows Phone, other also can use.

But Nokia got no Android, they loose a BIG market share. While others have Android and Windows Phone, and Samseng also have Tizen, thanks to Nokia to bailing out MeeGo and leave Intel alone.

Honestly, don't know what to say. It's not like Windows Phone OS is specially for Nokia only. So, Nokia is loosing BIG here, moreover, Samseng has gain their branding name over just this 1 Year. In future, which brand will people go for Windows Phone? Nokia name is getting worst day by day, while Samseng is gaining at fast pace.


This post has been edited by Andy214: May 4 2012, 11:19 AM

Basically, it will rebuild the indexes and it should refresh all the media files in your phones.

Normally, you open gallery or videos, it's using cached indexes, so it loads much faster. Sometimes, there may have some issue, and the new files aren't loaded and there is no "refresh" in gallery, so what we did during N900 time was to restart the tracker, or rebuild the index (which will take more time when you first time open the gallery as it will load everything again). For N900, there is an app called "tracker-cfg" which allows us to restart or rebuild at a press of a button and also adjust some configurations (e.g. ignore which folder, so these files don't show up in gallery, such as photos from game folders).

Not sure about N9 tough, as I don't use it as my primary phone, I didn't explore so much.
Anybody got any ideas?

This post has been edited by Andy214: May 4 2012, 11:49 AM

Even he got plan, others can also produce Windows Phone.
Why people want to buy Nokia when Samseng now more popular, better spec, and maybe also cheaper.

Nokia only will have Windows Phone choice. While Samseng will have Windows Phone (smartphone and tablet), Android, Tizen.
Nokia already loosing and have to fight with Samseng and other brand to sell their Windows Phone.

For Microsoft, then have nothing to loose, but for Nokia, it'll greatly impact them. If Samseng sell better, then Microsoft can concentrate and help Samseng, then what will happen to Nokia.
Microsoft now using Nokia to market their OS since Samseng, HTC and LG is concentrating on Android.
After they gain more popularity with their Windows Phone OS, they can concentrate on which brand which sells and market their OS.
That time, where can Nokia go? They have killed their own OS, lay off many of their employees, etc. It's super high risk.

I'm no businessman, but no matter how I see it, I don't and cannot think of any logic that is POSITIVE behind Elop's decision.