Sure, but you might find it very long and you may read many of my "personal" view, so not those general review.

Anyway, I've done the same for Nokia N9 previously (when it was launch), you can try see and you can roughly guess how I will write mine, besides most of the hardware are the same; But the Nokia Lumia I believe it's longer because I write a lot on the Social Networking Service (SNS) integration (too detailed in fact, actually Windows Phone website already given better clear and better explanation, and also Multi-tasking.
I would say, it's easier to write for Nokia N9, when we were told we were required to write, I got many ideas and so on, but of course, it never really went so well as I planned. For Nokia Lumia 800, honestly, I'm not really sure what to write, although I know the most interesting part will be the Social Networking Service (SNS) integration, but the disadvantages kind make the process difficult (keep modifying, trying to write in constructive manner possible).

My Nokia N9 version:
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2011/10...mpressions.html

Yup, options for users is the best. Each user can customize to their own liking, and if there's anything to blame, most of the time, it's the users to be blame. But if there's no option, people will blame the OS.


True, the improvements for WP7.5 is actually a lot (for developer, it was just 7.1, but for market, they decided to call it 7.5).
The future versions will surely be better, but currently there're still no news about the reliance on Zune, Bluetooth/WiFi file transfer, Mass-Storage mode, File Manager, etc. Hope we will be able to see something soon.


Thanks for the link, really weird, some of their devices/display have no issues, while some have, they should have more standard.

I think what he meant work better is for general users. I do agree with him Lumia seems to work better, it's stable, reliable and smooth.
BUT in comparison, there's difference is not a lot. For Nokia N9, it's still better than many phones, so in consideration, unless the person is very serious wants ultimate perfection?
To me, I'll be fair, both N9 and Lumia is works well and have good performance, smoothness, reliability and stability. Lumia is better, no doubt; Just like what I've said before, it's built to achieve this, so it surely will be better, just by how much and how important is it to people.
Not everyone wants the FASTEST phone, similarly, not everyone wants the most POWERFUL phone, etc.

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Added on March 30, 2012, 9:57 amN9 last because the moment you connect to internet, it will update feeds; Perhaps can set to manual.
For Lumia, it works differently, it will only update feed for specific part when you access it. Example: when you access "Me" tiles, and go to "what's new" view, you will notice it will update feeds and only for "what's new" under you. If you access People, it will again update the feeds for the all the contacts. If you access a particular contacts, it will again update the feeds for that particular contacts. The one difference is, you can press back, while it's updating and it's still smooth, it depends how the multi-threading is handled.
For MeeGo, it's not only updating feeds, it's also connecting to your Chat, like Facebook, Skype, etc.

Anyway, both have pros and cons; I like MeeGo way, when we connect, it will update everything and automatic set our chat to online, just like Maemo. User can turn this off and manually connect if they want to.
But Windows Phone OS have better and deeper social networks integration, you can LIKE and Post Comment and Tag people directly form the phone, no need to open FB app. Very cool, and the feeds are also cached into the phone, you can view their pictures and albums directly from the phone, very cool, and if you view it, it will be cache into your phone again... so even you offline, you can view back the same photo... even after you restart your phone, you still can view it, very nice. Windows Phone OS really did very well job here and how detail and deep they did. BUT for sharing/upload, it's too basic, they need to learn from MeeGo. It can be their future improvements.

2. When I first trying to detect, got this issue, but after detected and connected, I seems have no issue, even better than iPhone4. My room has weak signal, when FIRST TIME try to connect my N9, it's like cannot detect and weak, but once it remembered, I have no issue, I never need to connect manually anymore, I come home the N9 already auto connected and have no issues so far, even update the N9 to PR1.2 from my room, no problem.

3. So far I haven't meet this problem? My N9 using DiGi, seems the yellow man has been good and following my N9. Hope it will continue to stay, lol.

5. No comment seldom use, but GSMArena (I think), mentioned that N9 have better noise reduction. I seldom use N9 to capture, but I like the continuous shutter, haha.
But yes, I did find Lumia have better quality, but there's bugs here and there like focus on the background.
Yesterday I update to the latest firmware via Zune. Today morning I try to capture my daugther hand, I use macro, first focus ok and captured, second time focus, it won't focus correctly, BUT no RED color, it shows focus ok, but you see the object is not in focus, the background in focus instead. I have to switch to other mode then switch back to Macro, then capture again.
Weird, did you face this problem?

6. I believe this depend on individual; but yes, most people wants apps and games, so it'll the major deal breaker for Nokia N9, the main reason Nokia N9 cannot sell well.
Similarly, for Windows Phone, the major deal breaker is the restrictions and limitations. This limitations and restrictions can be easily resolved..... just a matter of "management decisions"

7. As explain in earlier post, how it works is different; In a way, you can say WP way is more efficient, and I like this part too because they have great deep social networks integration.
But I also like MeeGo connect once, update all.
So, both also got pros and cons, it user can choose and customize EACH option how they like, then best.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 30 2012, 09:57 AM

In Settings --> Notification --> Feeds on home screen, got automatic updates, you can switch it off.
You will notice there got other notifications services, which I believe will run when you connect.

IN Settings --> Applications, there also got feeds, you can also customize there.

Not sure got any other service.

For Chat, by default it will auto-connect. In Maemo5, we can disable the service since it doesn't have feeds and notification feature. In MeeGo, the Chat and other services is under 1 account, so if you disable, it will disable those services also. However, you can disable the Chat under that account.

Thanks, since those common review we can find anywhere, and in-depth review, GSMArena has done very detail with detail testing; and I'm not a reviewer, so I decided to write like a blog for what I personally feel and want to talk about the phone, rather than general review. For MeeGo, there's lots to share (even more for Maemo), plus, it'll most likely the only MeeGo device in the market (or MeeGo Harmattan), and it's like a introduction to a competely new OS.

For the Nokia Lumia 800 though, it'll be worst but I've edited a lot, but still very long. LoLx

Anyway, I've done the video on the Multi-Tasking; Not sure if my findings are 100% accurate or not, have been re-writing and re-do for this part few times.




True, if compared with N8, N900, and some devices, it's weaker. But I compared with my iPod Touch and other people's iPhone3 and iPhone4, seems N9 was better, at last it didn't disconnect. From my room, it was weak signal, other phones were also in 1 bar. The N9 still have no issue, even update to latest PR1.2.
I only have problem when the first time I try to DETECT and connect, it cannot detect as no signal, once I acquired the signal and connect and remembered, I have not face any problem so far (touchwood).


Well, even without compare, it's normal to assume Windows Phone will be smoother, it's build to achieve stability, reliablity and smoothness, primarily to compete against iPhone.

MeeGo is from Maemo, simplified and trying to achieve smoothness and realibility without sacrificing what it can do. Altough there is quite a lot of unnecessary sacrification, =P
Maemo5 itself is already smooth, just it's not stable and the rendering is not so well done, but if you've use one, it's smooth and you can easy multi-task with multiple program running; Looking at it's specs, it's really amazing already.

If you will only use Android, I think it's better to get an Android Phone. You most likely won't get the full functionality of Android and is most likely worst than any other Android phones in the market.

The NITdroid project start since long ago, NIT means, Nokia Internet Tablet (NIT), this project is initially to make it "USUABLE" on Nokia Internet Tablets (N770, N800, N900, etc) and now Nokia N9, which is not exactly a Nokia Internet Tablet.

I'm not sure HOW functional will the Android in N9 be, but based on previous NITDroid users recommendation, if you want an Android only, it's better to get a proper Android phone. Those that have NITDroid, basically they're dual booting and just want to play some Android games and apps, they still use back their primary OS.

NITDroid:
http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/

Actually I did "mentioned" it I think, but I didn't pause and show comparison. I put in text saying the the apps will be moved to the BACK position, so the FRONTS apps will be closed. If that's what you mean, haha.
But we can't monitor the memory, like in my video, seems 2 apps were closed instead of 1 sometimes.

Yea, but those doesn't have app limit like Windows Phone; So, it'll be nice if BEFORE I open this app, the OS prompts me, if I open this, X app will be close, even better if it let me choose which to close. Cause maybe it's something important, like a GAME played halfway not yet saved for example.

So far, I haven't face issue with other OS EXCEPT Android, which also happily close the app for your without manners. Once I was typing something in web browser, then I want to check something in SMS, when I go back the the browser, it restarted. That's so annoying (not to mention it's already slow), I never experience these before with my N900 despite having low ram and running multiple apps at the same time.

As most people don't like the prompt or don't know what it does, they can make default as auto-close, but for users who wants prefer not to, they can change it. OR, the first time it can prompt, then user can tick, remember my selection and don't show this again.

Yea, my iPod Touch was the 3G version, old already, 2 years plus. It got signal, but still weak. I upgraded to iOS4 but hardly use it after so didn't really compare the WiFi signal, but it's definitely weak as I move from certain area in my room, it will disconnect. Usable, but in comparison with the Nokia N9, I find the Nokia N9 connection more usable. Of course, cannot compare with my other devices.

True, the since I'm doing the view and video, so just share my findings, may help some others who want to know or curious what happen. It's simple but can be confusing, lolz

True, although WP only allow 5 apps, but the rest still can have persistent state saving, so there's no different with iOS, just that it only show 5 in the multi-tasking list, while iOS shows all the list. Perhaps, there're some differences in the details inner working, but generally they're about thre same, just how the apps handle each condition and can say that WP give priority to the top 5 app.

Would prefer them to show like MeeGo style, which also looks like their IE Tab style, we can easily activate any apps and close any app.

1. It's said that they'll be supporting it until 2014; but, not sure how true.
What important is they fix all the major bug/issues, and the phone is stable for daily use.
The main issue is not much apps.

2. There's much lesser app for MeeGp Harmattan compared with Symbian. This is the main drawback for MeeGo Harmattan, lack of apps.

3. Processor isn't really important; What's important is how the device performs.
If you have QUAD CORE but the device lags or performs sluggish, what's the point of having QUAD CORE? In the end it's just for "syok sendiri" to know the phone got QUAD CORE.
As long everything performs smooth, it's good; N9 is single Core, Lumia 800 also single core, see how smooth is these 2 phone. So, the processor isn't really important.
IF it's not stated in the specs, then people wouldn't know, then they will start to really feel the phone performance by experience instead of looking at spec sheet.

One important thing that many people seems to overlook is the RAM.
The N9 have 1GB of RAM, which is very high and it's a good thing.

4. No hardware button, but on the screen can have button. When you play games or using an app, it will still have button, the most common button is the BACK button on the corner. So, no problems with NitDroid, you will still get the buttons.

You can take a read here, take those highlighted points, there's also some videos:
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2011/10...mpressions.html

It's super "cheong hei" version, lol
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2012/04...ons-review.html

Thanks, took really long time and modifications lol, but some part become like user guide/manual (e.g. People Hub), write end up become too detail, but since already write, just leave it. MS site already have good How-To available online, haha.

Anyway, since this is first write up for Windows Phone, so go into the details; If there is another WP device need to write, then can skip most of it; but hope no need to write again, lol.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 11:07 amLoL, basically can skip many of the parts, many of it already mentioned here before anyway. Some parts is like telling stories (e.g. Multi-Tasking), got video which I think is way better and simple.
The Social Networking Services (SNS) also got video, but I miss some of the things in the video tough.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 10 2012, 11:07 AM

Not really, looks identical except Lumia 800 have 3 buttons in front, the shutter key and LED Flash placement.
I put them together in pouch lol.

I think outside can't differentiate as it's the same polycarbonate plastic body, the same display glass, the same volume and power key.
Nokia N9 display is much brighter tough.

I think Lumia 900 will greatly impact Lumia 800.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 10 2012, 11:25 AM

1. Yes. I keep forgetting about that.

2. Should be resolved in the latest update?
If not wrong, when plugged into charger, it will not disconnect.

3. Not really sure; Didn't try that. I know they got restriction like length and file size.
I know previously cannot assign custom SMS and notification tone, seems available already after update.

Yes, I totally agree, it's like totally whole new set of people.
What I feel? Is like the people from iPhone first gen? LoL
And I wonder if Microsoft did do any control or checking? Did they use the phone?
The bluetooth file transfer is even requested by their own admin, a mobile guru in windowsphone official site suggestion.

What I really like about Mango is the social networking services integration, it's really detailed and amazing. I also like the voice command or speech-to-text feature. The web browser is also nice, smooth and stable, for quick and light browsing.
Like in Android, I have different browsers, when I want quick and light, I use opera mobile, else I will use Dolphin HD with flash on demand. The key here is choice, which WP doesn't have.

I can only say the Mango is sweet and sour at the same time. For those that can live with the restrictions and limitations, then it will please them; but why limit to these people when they can reach out to more, right?

If choice of between iOS, Android and WP. I would LIKE to choose WP, but it doesn't offer the flexibility and choice. I believe many people if given the choice between the 3, most will choose iOS or Android.
If they have so much restriction and limitations, they might as well go for iOS which you can jailbreak and enjoy tons of apps.
WP need to stand out from iOS, now it's too similar with iOS.
And among the 3, only Android have all the flexibility and choices.

As for fruits discussion, I have no idea why Mango have to follow Apple, when the Berry (Black one, or Blue one) doesn't have to.

The video is recorded last year before PR1.2, using Auto Mode.
I was also surprised with the crisp clear audio, even I'm there, I remember got other ambient noise. I guess the Active Noise Cancellation with Dedicated Mic feature is really effective.

I haven't tested for PR1.2. Can you hear the background noise when viewing playback from the phone? If not I need to go back and test to listen from my PC.
What about others?

If others are OK, perhaps you can send to NCC to check on the hardware?

Yea, I read that, but they should get knowledge from those seniors, as in consultant or consultation. Take the goods, drop the bad.
The current team is like from Apple instead and never consulted with Microsoft Windows Mobile?
The weirdest thing is the Contacts, one Live ID only allowed to have FIX contact type, e.g. 1 Mobile Number.
The way they label it, it feels like the database is not normalized for flexibility, which is so wrong for contacts type database. Moreover, Microsoft knows this very well as they ownself provides database classes for SQL and there is examples using contacts management. I honestly wonder is the design is really what suspected, if yes, I wonder how and what happen? Database design is one of the most important factor like a backbone of the software application, they should know that very well.

Anyway, for those common features, I think there's no need to be smart to know those features are what people want. It can be a deal breaker to many. I really have no idea why MS omit or leave out those features, the only more logical explanation based on what they've done is, they just blindly follow whatever Apple has. the quick way.
You see a product is famous in the market, you want to get the same response, so you follow.
A proper way is to see and understand, what's it's strength, why is it famous, AND what's the thing people don't like about it, what can be improved, etc. This way, your product will outshine the other product by offering what it has, and what it doesn't or the weakness of that product.


Sorry, was busy yesterday. Didn't seem to have problem.
I re-watch your video, the silent part, seems no sound that you mentioned?

Not sure, I think more towards Microsoft. The OS is controlled by MS, Nokia has little or no control. I've highlighted to Nokia regarding these limitations and restrictions, they can't do anything, even they know and want these features. Obviously, their customers has been using these features, they ownself also using it. To "upgrade", how can it be loosing more things, become even more restricted and controlled?

In my point of view, this is an important turning point or time for them to decide and take action before they start loosing more customers. If there is a burning platform, current WP7 with these restrictions and limitations is the burning platform. It's simple and easily implemented, only if they truly meant what they say about "Putting People First".

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Added on April 12, 2012, 10:51 amAdd On:
If there's really a good feature, we should acknowledge and compliment it, so show appreciation and also to encourage further development.

If there's something that is not good, we should also highlight and acknowledge it, hope they will look into it and do something about it. If we just keep quiet or doesn't make it important, then it becomes not really important.
EVEN if it's not important to some of us, it doesn't mean it's NOT to others. It's not about some of us or some people, it's about reaching more customers. These features are very common to any smartphone even dumbphones, how can these features be left out? It's all thanks to the "poisonous" Apple.
Before this, where got smartphone that use some software to transfer media files? Where got smartphone that gives all these troubles, frustrations, restrictions and limitations? To me, that's all rubbish and it's all thanks to the "poisonous" Apple to introduce these and manufacturer's start copying.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 12 2012, 10:51 AM

Mr. Jobs is really good in marketing. Something straight he can't say it's not and people will believe it.

Those thing that iPhone don't have, he can crap about it and people will believe and buys his word and actually proud to tell other people about it like it's the right thing.

When you're famous, an icon, what you say, do or touch is different.
Just like you have a product, you use someone famous to market it, advertise, it'll become different class suddenly.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 12 2012, 11:15 AM

Yes, what they do with the simplicity, smoothness, stability and realibility is very good. But they didn't do it the right way, they remove what's supposed to be available in smarpthone or what's available in other smartphones. That's not good. Worst yet, they successfull CHANGE the standards, making it WORST, NOT BETTER.

Simplicity can be done easily, all they need to do is DISABLE NOT REMOVE, many things and features BY DEFAULT; make it SIMPLE. When user want, they can enable these feature so now it can satisfy and fit many people.
Or can be done during INITIAL SETUP (first time setup the phone), choose your preference, and it will customize the phone to suit your requirements and needs.

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Added on April 12, 2012, 11:51 amAgreed

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 12 2012, 11:51 AM

For SMS, it only recognize mobile number.
Anyway, the point is, I suspect the database design problem which will really be an issue if what I suspect is true; to change a design will mean major change. This is also a major problem to many softwares, many software company didn't prioritize database design, thus in the long run, it gives a lot of problem, by then you want to change, it's too hard and too much work, especially if the system is critical, huge data and cannot afford long downtime. Just imagine the base of the house, if it's not well planned and also flexible for future expansion, to fix it later, will have a lot of headache and problems.


Set new standards, kill others, generate followers. hahaha

Not sure can switch or not. Still there is a problem with the design.

Anyway, in my video and review, I got write about a workaround I found.
Each contact will have automatically have one Live ID, each Live ID can have only 1 mobile number.
But one contact can have multiple Live ID, you can't create them, BUT, you can create another "duplicate" contact, then LINK them, now it will show 2 mobile.

It's better for them to make proper support for it. It's a contacts database, it should be flexible, even Microsoft knows this well and have examples in their SQL classes/tutorials.

Another problem is when you transfer contacts from your other phones, those contacts with more than 1 mobile, only 1 number will be transferred if not wrong.

Anyway, the one problem that every phone has is, even they support multiple number, seems there's no "primary" mobile. Sometimes, the person have 2 mobile number, but you can't remember which one is his primary mobile, or personal mobile and office mobile, etc.

Haha, same; but watch educational cartoon loh.

I have those with multiple mobile, it didn't transfer all only 1, but that was using Contacts Transfer app by Nokia. Anyway, after sync with Facebook, MSN Live, etc. those other contacts were sync and auto-linked.

Games I think depend what games, if educational game, is ok.

That depends, don't have to follow what other parents do, just like MS don't have to follow what Apple did =P


I never understand why and cannot find any logic:
1. If Symbian is burning platform, how come WP7 isn't? Since it's also not doing well.
2. If they want to adopt new platform, shouldn't they listen to the Customers? Most people wanted Android
3. EVEN if they want to adopt WP7, why cannot adopt Android too? If they adopt Android, they could've grab some of the market share. They're Nokia fans that want to stick to Nokia but wish to have Android; Since there's none and they go WP7, these customer jump ship and Nokia loses the Customers.
4. Why they need to announce death of Symbian so early?
As business rule, you want to venture into something new that is unstable, you should "OPEN BOTH TAP WATER, SEE WHICH FLOWS BETTER, THEN YOU DECIDE WHICH TO CLOSE OR FLOW LESS".
Isn't it very suspicious? Why announce death of Symbian and also MeeGo BEFORE WP7 even available in Nokia?
Why announce death of MeeGo even BEFORE it's born?
5. The reason MeeGo was abandon was because it's too slow, by end of 2011, only 1 MeeGo device.
BUDDEN HOR.... by end of 2011, only 2 Lumia wo? What difference does it make? They could also have 2 MeeGo device if they want by end of 2011.
6. Why they can't do multi-platform? Like Samseng, HTC, LG, etc?
Imagine if Nokia have Android devices as well, they would've grab a share on the market and survives? They can then slowly push their Windows Phone as Windows Phone mature and gets more demand.
Look at Samseng, in such short time, from a small minority in the market, now it's like a big competition against Apple.

I honestly don't geddit, I'm not a business person or maybe got some things inside Nokia that none of us knows about, why they drop this and that and cannot adopt other OS.
But all these makes something even more obvious, that the rumors about "infiltrate and attack from the inside, and then...."
Well, just hope that won't happen, else......

That's good to hear. Too bad I used before the update, lol;

Yes, that's what the rumors are also saying, MS are pushing their product using Nokia. If Nokia sells Android, the it will impact their WP. Just like Samseng and HTC, their WP is not selling well, now they're concentrating on Android... So... they can't afford this, and forces Nokia to go WP root only and they have to declare their other OS dead so people have NO CHOICE to choose WP or leave. One more thing is, they didn't launch N9 in US market? Then 808?

Nokia future isn't known yet, before WP, I remember they have plans for many Symbian phones and future MeeGo products that looks promising. Their Belle gets better, and there's MeeGo... how do they know it will fail? I believe it can be more successful than adopting solely on WP.
They can even have MeeGo, Symbian, WP and Android, capturing every PART of the market. They will have every user, the only phone manufacturer which have these OS?
Symbian users can choose to stay or switch to other OS while still using the Nokia Brand.
But now? There isn't much choice.
It's lucky that the 808 PureView is still using Symbian, so they can still maintain majority of their Symbian Customers.

I thought Plan A was the plan all along?

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Added on April 13, 2012, 11:17 amWhat about normal voice recording, try it inside a room and then try to talk?


This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 13 2012, 11:17 AM

Not sure, but the video I recorded during the Peugeot 508 launching, the ambient noise is pretty noisy, but seems it's been cancelled out and the announcement of the price is so clear, I'm also surprie myself when I go back and view cause I remember that time, it wasn't so clear.

I think many US people might want 808, but decide not to release sounds fishy instead. Did they not release N8 in US?

I would LIKE to think they put all eggs in 1 basket is because of Mirosoft, not Nokia decision. Moreover, the CEO himself is ex-MS. Everything just sound very fishy, very fishy. But it's all just guessing. As TMO favourites, have to wait for Chuck Norris.