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sg999
post Mar 6 2012, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Mar 4 2012, 12:57 AM)
ha..ha..an engineer from proton working with supplier. Wow, thats news, cari duit luar ke bro :-).

Anyway, all electronics equipments are being supply by vendors n actually the same vendors as others. Like srs airbags, only some vendors supply it, n they supply it to all car manufacturers on the world. Erm, maybe the engineer in that forum want to say, airbags are from protons, esp are from prtn(actually from bosch), ecu 32bit also from proton, n everything invented by prtn.

Haish, dont the engineer mentioned know the word OEM? Previous supplier of pwr windows already out of pic, previously, prtn design it, send blue print to vendors, initial part is ok during selection, the u know what happened high production, they stumble(vendors)but dunno whether the new one, which one of global oem also will do the same thing, but seing exora(new vendor for pwr windows) still survive untill this day, i think it shud be ok. Now, many parts are oem, means standard across manufacturers to reduce cost.

Like punch cvt,oem, prtn ask them to provide certain specifications for prtn cvt, they send out sample that they already tested it earlier(actually by doing this can make development time cut short)then prtn n lotus tested it, send all data to punch, if there is any dissactifaction, punch will try to make it as being demand. Thats why now gbox warranty is handle by punch,not prtn coz using oem. Previously, prtn buy the gbox, so,if anything happened,like savvy amt, prtn send complaint to renault, but because renault say their gbox never had that problem, so, prtn have to bear it. But worser, when this happened after warranty expired, consumer have to bear the cost. But for oem, punch is responsible to cater any problem arise in the future coz prtn now order punch to build a gearbox for them, then pay the cost pergearbox as agreed in agreements. not buying them like previously as mitsu,renault n prtn try n error.

So, if abs prob, i think trw is responsible, esp, bosch, iafm plus injector also bosch, meter instruments, some electrical components including ecu,wiring n harness, bash continental ag.

I think all suppliers mentioned are oem for other makes also.  correct me if im wrong, dunno whether vw using vw brand esp, vw brand abs, vw brand turbine, vw brand ecu n vw brand wiring n etc. Normally oem make it on behalf of them.

By the way,if u notice, the windows supplier also change, slowly, now flx using st gobaiin sekurit if im not mistaken, blm is ms standard, fl, not so sure, but 1st gen exora using diff vendor also, but both exora n flx window vendors are oem for beemer. Some said st gobain is better, some said the other one is better,dunnolah, as long as oem other big co,for me its oklor. Can check oversea beemer forum.

Still confuse with prtn engineers work with suppliers, never heard before. Anyways, it seems like a bold move before launch by others perhaps coz to make sure that buyers are holding on buying untill they managed to launch theirs, so that when too many options, buyers will confius. N maybe buying them coz of brand image compare to prtn.

N the engineers also dunno prtn using many oems, seems like lazy engineer lor, what do u do at prtn rnd? Come, eat n sleep n punch out? No wonder many problems in prtn cars coz they have engineers like that. Dunno what is happening around them :-).
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why saga flx cvt still facing issue ya?
the car keep jerking during low speed and engine check light will sudden on. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Mar 6 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Mar 6 2012, 08:22 AM)
im not dsz by the way. Wish to be but frankly not. Not related directly like working for prtn. Indirectly,yes, as friend with some members.

By the way, if i not mistaken, prtn already issue recall for that which actually come from punch itself to one to one change cluth oil pump of cvt. U can check the letter been scanned in cari gold forum. Its happen to 1st batch flx,thats why there have been a little delay on delivery. The batch effected had been recalled n the newer one already been replaced in the factory.

About check engine light, better check the battery connected whether it was connected unproperly or loose. It is not connected with cvt coz if cvt problem, the light on gear lever numbering will blinking, means gbox prob. Is it the aduanrakyat(not official blog for tv3 by the way), is it?

As i said earlier about how oem work rite. The jerk is inconvinience, but not causing gerbox@engine damage,it just not smooth during low speed, and punch did rectify that.

If u have experience driving dsg during cold start without warm it up properly, u face jerking problem, so as amt in savvy. It is clutch based after all,same as dsg,same as amt. The diff,punch cvt with single clutch, dsg twin clutch,amt single clutch.
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i see
i also saw some member mention after replace the oil pump
the jerking was reduced but still there.
even now the flx 1.6 also has the same problem but this can be solve by press the pedal.
i info my friend tighten the battery. see will improve or not
thx ya. brows.gif
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post Mar 7 2012, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Mar 6 2012, 08:43 PM)
To Mr sg999m,forgot to mentioned about this, since, ur friend's car experience jerkiness which i dunno what kind of jerk or level of jerkiness, why dont u ask u friend to do this test. Try to drive the car in L mode, then lift off pedal. Normally engine braking become harder n u really can feel the cvt characteristic of jerkiness when lift off pedal. If not, try SAT mode on for the whole week, never engage full cvt mode. Just do SAT mode only. Try to monitor whether it has the same behaviour during low speed when lift off the gas pedal or not coz in SAT, it is in simulated fixed ratio which means, the transmission is given fixed ratio through software. If the problem persistent(if it is severe, not part of cvt clutch based behaviour), i think ur friend shud send the car for checking even the light is not blinking coz jerk during lift of pedal,its normal, but it not really exercive. But jerking during pressing the pedal, yesm that is a problem. So, try out okey asap coz ur friend can send to sc asap for solution if the probs is severe
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nonono
my friend say the jerking at low speed can be solve when the pedal is pressed nod.gif

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