"SkyActiv Technology"
isn't that the company that claim their auto gearbox more superior than CVT and DSG

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Added on March 16, 2012, 7:00 pm
last time when i said better quality
its not 1st batch of every FL/release
its the 1st batch of the model
like in saga...1st batch of saga BLM...not FL and FLX
becuz after BLM...they're already starting to cut the cost to maximize profit/minimize cost already
becuz every FL, alot of thing is similar...so they didn't make much changes instead just put new things like CVT into it
so "my recommendation only"...if want buy..buy the 1st batch of p3-21a...not the FL/SE
my saga BLM until now no dashboard rattling
minor problem sure got...but fixed by warranty already

Mat79, thanks for your post, another great one too.

The rattling problem i more or less know where it is, its just the parts are difficult to access and i  dont really trust proton techs to open up my dashboard lest they solve one rattle but introduce another one. Last time my rear door rattle, those idiots go and grease my rear seat mounting. I have to open up the door trim panel and apply insulflex only the problem was solved.

Now left the so called CVT mounting sound tat i will need to do for my next service.
I know what you meant last time. Remember, the cvt powertrain was introduce with flx, and the first batch of flx had the cvt overheat issue, thats what i meant by design flaw that plagues the first batch, or the first models to use new tech or production methods.

Now, the new proton car is having tonnes of new tech being introduced into a proton car, be it accessories or the powertrain. I am not saying they are skimping on the reliability studies, its just some stuffs are simply difficult to discover without the car being driven by the consumers, that compound with the possibility of poor QC could potentially aggravate the problem.

i sold my proton because they cannot solve the noisy irritating brake problem..not to mention rattling sounds..if no sound i can live with it..

Mat79, thanks for your post, another great one too.

The rattling problem i more or less know where it is, its just the parts are difficult to access and i  dont really trust proton techs to open up my dashboard lest they solve one rattle but introduce another one. Last time my rear door rattle, those idiots go and grease my rear seat mounting. I have to open up the door trim panel and apply insulflex only the problem was solved.

Now left the so called CVT mounting sound tat i will need to do for my next service.
I know what you meant last time. Remember, the cvt powertrain was introduce with flx, and the first batch of flx had the cvt overheat issue, thats what i meant by design flaw that plagues the first batch, or the first models to use new tech or production methods.

Now, the new proton car is having tonnes of new tech being introduced into a proton car, be it accessories or the powertrain. I am not saying they are skimping on the reliability studies, its just some stuffs are simply difficult to discover without the car being driven by the consumers, that compound with the possibility of poor QC could potentially aggravate the problem.

Noisy brakes? That's quite common. Both our Frenchies have it sometimes, and I have seen many other cars, from all sorts of brands that make this squeaking noise.

They have to give high specs in terms of safety if they even want to shift 1 car. If it didn't have 6 airbags they might as well not bother selling it, it would be pointless. The Waja in the UK also had 4 airbags... Daihatsu Sirion a minimum of 4 (Myvi), and the Toyota Yaris (Vios) I believe has 7? Maybe not in the lowest spec, but for a small premium you'll get it.

In Malaysia however... who cares. As long as Toyota sells tons of Vioses and Camrys with 2 airbags (other manufacturers too, especially those from Japan) Proton will try it too.

It would be nice if P1 offers the 2 more airbags as an option. Usually they are around 300-400 Euro in Europe, so lets say they can add RM 1500-2000. Just give us the choice! (I'm afraid most will not book that option though...).

If BMWs would be priced like Vivas for Europeans, why do they mostly drive lesser cars? Even too poor to buy Viva? (Of course a second hand BMW can be quite affordable... until you want to actually drive it. An uncle drove a 525i Touring. Not very expensive to buy, but the constant repairs and 12-14l/100km were a bit too much. He ended up buying a Golf 1.4 instead If you are just referring to Clarkson, Hammond and May, then you are right. They are probably some of the best paid guys in the UK...

i know what u mean
but the "major" part are already been tested and proven
such as engine and GB...tested in exora bold already
whats left now are those new tech accessories....ESC, traction control..etc etc
but they did tested it....when they send the car to overseas to test at the part's manufacturer's factory
but thats when they only build 3-4 cars to test
when it comes to major production, theres bound to be lemon and parts manufacturer surely will have a few lemon as well
the rattling, on my view is lack of soundproof, its too empty for saga...saga doesn't have any soundproof at all...literally
this p3-21a comes with full soundproof so it should be better..plus they use soft plastic...not hard ones

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Added on March 16, 2012, 10:05 pm
yup....4 airbag is way better than the current 2
if even toyota don't care(camry)..proton/perodua should hold back
but nonetheless..this p3 is like challenging/daring toyota to release a better value car here
we all know T can...but will they and hows the pricing will be

Noisy brakes? That's quite common. Both our Frenchies have it sometimes, and I have seen many other cars, from all sorts of brands that make this squeaking noise.

i know what u mean
but the "major" part are already been tested and proven
such as engine and GB...tested in exora bold already
whats left now are those new tech accessories....ESC, traction control..etc etc
but they did tested it....when they send the car to overseas to test at the part's manufacturer's factory
but thats when they only build 3-4 cars to test
when it comes to major production, theres bound to be lemon and parts manufacturer surely will have a few lemon as well
the rattling, on my view is lack of soundproof, its too empty for saga...saga doesn't have any soundproof at all...literally
this p3-21a comes with full soundproof so it should be better..plus they use soft plastic...not hard ones

Heh, if it's only squeaking noise, I can live with it. It's a rythmic knocking sound from the drumbrake that follows the vehicle speed when the brake is pressed.
I thought the CVT in the CFE variant will be CVT3? Exora bold is using CVT2?

But that's beside the point. Look, I hope you are right and your optimism is ultimately paid off, I really do. I wish nothing but the best for P321a, and I applaud their effort in testing the new systems as thoroughly as possible. I hope all of that is not let down by poor QC and after sales.

In fact if all the stars align, I might get one next year. I have repeatedly pestered my SA to call me when a test drive unit arrive at his dealership.

But again, I stand my ground to look and see before jumping in.

It is CVT VT3 for exora.

Heh, if it's only squeaking noise, I can live with it. It's a rythmic knocking sound from the drumbrake that follows the vehicle speed when the brake is pressed.
I thought the CVT in the CFE variant will be CVT3? Exora bold is using CVT2?

But that's beside the point. Look, I hope you are right and your optimism is ultimately paid off, I really do. I wish nothing but the best for P321a, and I applaud their effort in testing the new systems as thoroughly as possible. I hope all of that is not let down by poor QC and after sales.

In fact if all the stars align, I might get one next year. I have repeatedly pestered my SA to call me when a test drive unit arrive at his dealership.

But again, I stand my ground to look and see before jumping in.

exora bold's CFE's CVT is VT3 becuz of the torque limit
so the ones in p3 will be VT3 as well
only saga FLX uses VT2

ya...for those that kinda scared...should test drive 99 be4 they buy and wait for reviews

Bro, my FLX SE dashboard rattle since day one, CVT mounting noisy, drumbrake noisy since second week, replaced twice, engine jerk like mad in the morning. So dont tell me I underestimate Proton. As much as i like the 1.6 liter with CVT powertrain, it is new tech and all, proton products still leave much to be desired. My car is currently 2 months old, btw.

Good if the P321a proves to be leaps and bounds ahead of their current line of products, I will consider it seriously. But now, with the car that I am driving, you expect me to take a leap of faith and believe that proton has improve drastically overnight?

Like I said, ill believe it when i see it.

Proton most good quality car just savvy. Other really suks to max. Campro engine is the most failure one. The latest good car from proton is inspira but too early to judge.

Rather buy inspira.
My fren just told me p3 will not be selling in some countries due tO its quality problem.

NO offense. If u want problem free car better dont get p3 because my fren is one of proton's senior staff and he told me they found out inspira is muchmuch more better than p3.. Maybe is because of our proton still lack of knowledge to build a own design car.

problem free car
ya right...where are u going to buy one when merc and BMW also have problem
ferrari and lambo can just catch fire in the middle of the road(no one seem to bash, if happen to proton surely 1st page newspaper 2molo)
problem free car never existed
and "not selling in some countries due to its quality problem" will not happen
as long as they have dealer there, they can sell it....its just a matter of the customer want to buy or not only

Proton most good quality car just savvy. Other really suks to max. Campro engine is the most failure one. The latest good car from proton is inspira but too early to judge.

i dont know what to define u

so i let u choose between this 2





btw vios suck shit....
no power, cant corner, chassis soft like sponge...

erm, by the way,i'm not powertrain engineer what soever, but beeing informed that, engine is not tune to fuel euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, but according to ron(octane rating). Some engines cant use low euro compliant fuel because it needs to have cleaner fuel to run,not because not being tune to that.

Any euro 5 engine can run using any euro compliance fuel, regardless euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, just the matter of tech n design like gdi is quite a sensitive engine especially for high sulphur content fuel n low octane rating fuel. Prince engine in malaysia, no matter the mpi or gdi version is euro 5, tsi also euro 5. But still can use euro 2 compliance oil. But if euro 2m is not available, vw wont bring their tsi here(yup tsi is euro 5 n 6 capable) coz their gdi need certain maximum sulphur that they can take inside their engine.

Engine management is tuning towards octane rating not fuel euro grade. U still need to know there are many carburator cars that non euro emmision compliance engine, still running well in our euro 2m fuel without any tuning, except to those who needs to run atleast ron97 need to retune to prevent from knocking.

Remember, before euro 2m fuel, malaysian fuel is non euro at all, so, what the hell happened to euro 2 compliance engine available here n bla..bla..bla.. N what happened to the cars that non euro compliance running on euro 2m fuel without any tuning in ems, without changing the catalizer n etc? Why they can run the compliance car with non compliance petrol previously n how currently they also can run non compliance car with compliance petrol?

The question is from me n the answer above is from the engineer, n he actual smile when i ask question about euro compliance fuel n euro compliance engine.

Questions are good, but sometimes questioning something beyond our capacity, yup, can google here, n google there, but u cant develop euro 5 compliance engine or car's engine just by googling or watching youtube or can we? :-). If can,just closed down all engineering course in uni n rnd. Ha...ha... Just joking coz sometimes i also questioning beyond my comprehension. And like people always talking about co2 output when talking about euro emission, but actually is not about co2, its about something else.

About wira,waja pedded dash, i believe that its already been banned by EPA by any new makes, so they used new one like rubbery type soft plastic or new pedded that used fabric,alcantara@leather than pvc, but thats quite expensive. So, many opt for hard, for cheaper alternative.

That why when old lancer mk1 vs lancer mk10, which one has soft material n which one doesnt. Same as civic ef, eg, ek vs civic es, fd, which one has better soft dash?

My conclusion is, people questioning that because it is a proton. Mr littlefire, have u been questioning all other makes about their euro compliance engine in malaysia like currently avanza engine which its power b torque being reduce due to euro 4 compliance? Why they mentioned euro 4 when malaysia jpj rules on emmision is euro 2 n our fuel is euro 2m, what the hell they are trying to do mentioning the engine is euro 4, reduce the output, why just not retain the euro 2 one coz u cannot use euro 4 engine compliance with euro 2 fuel, stupid japs engineer. Is that correct my statement? Ops forget the stupid das auto engineer, we want euro 2 tsi that supposed to have better power than europe version, but why u give us euro 5 engine, stupid german engineers. So,if that the case, then i rest my case :-).

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:27 pmdun worry dares, u give fair review. N everybody need to see it, drive it to believe it. No need to believe it before u see n drive this baby.

By the way dares, maybe u can share a bit about ur rattling problems so that some of us in here can help in given out some sollution,if possiblelah. Even if it is a small@little prob, sometimes it takes longer times than big ones coz little things hard to find compare to little one. But who knows, in this forum, u can solve ur probs. No harm trying.

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:34 pmah,for engine jerking in the morning, i dunno whether u do this or not, warm up the engine at least up to normal bar coz it seems like amt n dsg (clucth based coz even this one is cvt,but still clutch based)prob which need the oil of gbox to be warm up properly so that it can have a proper flow. Normally just need to do this in the morning only during cold start@ left the car for long time, maybe more than 24 hours without using it.

If already practised that,maybe need report for further investigation, if not, just try out to do that, look whether the morning jerk problem solved or not.