national car with non-national car, of coz national car got price advantage lah.

if want to compare performance, must compare apple with apple lah!

This post has been edited by teelim: Mar 3 2012, 02:10 PM

haha...want to dumb ppl...end up being dumb by many others...

It's a valid comparison. C segment car in the same price range.

As ASEAN cars are taxed the same like local cars at least you can compare Vios and P3-21A. And there... well, the Vios doesn't do very well. Besides, the bonus that a CKD car is taxed at is 10%, CBU 30%.

As far as I have understood it the government can however control the price/keep competitors at bay by basically dictating a minimum price they have to charge, i.e. Ford wants to introduce a base spec Fiesta at 50k that is basically empty, and the government says nope, you'll have to make more profits. It is up to Ford etc. to give the car better specs though.

Thus the protection P1 and P2 enjoy isn't that extensive, they still have to get the production costs down, lower than the competition (unless all they want is customers who only want base spec cars (well, thank god for them Toyota likes to make a good profit)).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 3 2012, 03:22 PM

Proton Jib and Proton Ros

yup agreed, one thing missing that is forte in malaysia used naza badge, meaning same tax applied as prtn n perodua. No ckd 10% tax overthere.

So, 1.6 forte is the price range that i think prtn will introduce it 1.6 cfe premium. That is why the comparison. But if i not mistaken, they also compare it with ford focus 2.0 na.

But still feel not good, maybe just compare with forte 2.0, bigger displacement. 1.6cfe, smaller displacement but turbo. So, which one is better sir?

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Added on March 3, 2012, 7:43 pmbelow comment not for u kadajawi, for someone who mentioned stupid comparison. Just asking him opinion only since he want to compare same displacement@pwr. Maybe flx se shud be compare with forte 1.6 since same displacement, but i think flx se still win interm of performance coz century sprint 12 scnd flat, forte need 0.5 sncd more, but it just a small margin though,

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Added on March 3, 2012, 8:01 pmif that is the logic comparison, then new honda civic which may introduce this year, shud include comparison its 1.8 engine performance with lotus elise 1.8 coz that is the same displacement rite. N honda civic@accord 2.0 shud compare its accord performance maybe with ktm car or caterham that has 2.0 displacement or maybe lotus 2 eleven :-). It seems logic rite...same displacement :-). Or is it a also a dumbest comparison EVER? Well, u rules apply mate.

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Added on March 3, 2012, 8:04 pmoh wait, forget to add on honda stream n wish which also comes with 1.8 displacement. Shud compare wish n stream with civic,altis, elise,exige n etc that has 1.8 pwrtrain, but non turbo, if not,somebody got mad :-)

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 3 2012, 08:04 PM

ok so if dun talk price, lets compare P321 with Peugeot 508.. both 1.6 turbo engine.. who win in all areas? performance, safety, handling, interior space etc?

you said comparing engine only. Then want to compare all areas as well?
If want to compare, compare within it category. 508 is in D class.

u blind ar? when i say compare engine only?

Lol..... now i know y fnf no post count... this is funniest than /k ... lol

Below is quoted from cari forum, it is a comment from an engineer working in Proton..

"我是跟这款车的研发到生产有关系的工程师，3月16日要发行了，可是现在还有一大堆技术性的问题还没解决，偷偷奉劝有兴趣的人还是观望一段日子了才买比较好吧....
其实也不是啦...不过这一次我真的挺摇头的.....主要是许多设计都标新立异，设计没有跟着规则跑，爽爽就改，很多供应商都来不及反应....."


Source: http://cforum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?t...page%3D3&page=3


Translation:
" I am an engineer who had been followed up with this car from research development until the current production, the car will be launched at 16 March, however there are plenty of technical problems waiting to be solved, here's advice to those who are interested, please wait for a period after the launching..
I am quite disappointed, most of the designs are state-of-the-art, however the design does not follow the rules/procedure and is always be amended, and it makes the supplier cannot cope with it.."

What does everyone think bout it ? Actually it makes sense too, it is the 1st time Proton used those advanced technologies like push start button, auto sensor.. etc which applied electronic technologies heavily, can Proton handle with it ?

This post has been edited by poilam: Mar 3 2012, 10:42 PM

Maybe I should wait for minor change.

this is very serious comment ever ... any legit source???

those technologies actually already old la, only now proton using it..other car maker already use it before..

i also working at proton ...hahaha, joke2...everyone can say like tht especially from competitor

This post has been edited by mzack1104: Mar 3 2012, 10:28 PM

Sorry to say that wat do u think of a company who can't even solve problem like door handle n power window? It took multiple years to address just the issue like this...

Is he really Proton's engineer?
In Thailand, I never see any automobile's engineers tell about their product defect to public.

Partially, the issue from those supplier... N proton have a lot of supplier wt funny relationship wt proton.. If u know wat I mean...

hm..

perhaps it is a post from competitor, up-coming launching Elantra. maybe ?

they should cope with everything because this is their global model, outside is very strict compare to here...

u guys have any friend working with proton? please double confirm it...

mat79... we need u to confirm the comment ...

This post has been edited by mzack1104: Mar 3 2012, 10:35 PM

for those who know mandarin, here's the link where I quote his/her post:

http://cforum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?t...page%3D3&page=3

If the launch date is not on 16th mac then that person lied