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post Feb 14 2012, 09:44 AM, updated 14y ago

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The earliest known origins of the Maulid celebration

- Originated during the Fatimid Caliphate
- They are the followers the Sevener Branch of Shi'ite Islam, also known as 'Ismailism'.
- It was this dynasty that first initiated the celebration of the mawlid.
- The maulid instituted by Umar al-Mulla, the first in Sunni lands, involved singing poems in praise of the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and nothing more than this.
- The person who initiated it, Umar al-Mulla, was a venerated Sufi ascetic, and not a scholar of the religion.





Central concluding points of the whole article of the maulid celebration during tha Fatimid era

a) the mawlid was originally a Shiʻite festival

b) the mawlid came into being in the sixth hijri / twelfth Christian century

c) in the Fatimid period the mawlid was not always celebrated on the same date: in 517 the mawlid was celebrated on the 13th Rabīʻ I, while according to Ibn Ṭuwayr this festival always fell on the 12th Rabīʻ I

d) The mawlid was celebrated during the daytime

e) the ruler played a central role

f) sermons were given and recitations from the Quran took place

g) presentations to officials took place

h) by means of these presentations, amongst other things, the Fatimid's close relationship with the ahl al-bayt was emphasized, in order to cultivate loyalty to the Fatimid imam-Caliph

i) after the fall of the Fatimids, the mawlid continued to exist.






Writer's note

My own leanings, which I have never shied away from expressing, are the same as those of Ibn Taymiyya (d. 728) that he mentioned in his work Iqtiḍā Sirāt al-mustaqīm: that the general ruling is that such a celebration is not a part of the religion, but was added by later generations, and hence should be avoided; but it is possible that some groups of people who practice it out of ignorance will be rewarded due to their good intentions. The mawlid of the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam should be celebrated every day, by following his Sunnah and doing in our daily lives what he salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam wanted us to do.

I also stress that even if I disapprove of a public celebration of the mawlid, not all mawlids are the same, and if the only matter that is done on a mawlid is to praise the beloved Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam in an appropriate manner, and mention aspects of his sirah, and thank Allāh for blessing us to be of his Ummah, then this type of celebration is permissible, in fact praiseworthy, on any day of the year, and hence even if some groups choose one specific day to do it, others should not be harsh in their disapproval of it. I believe that the fatwas given by such esteemed authorities as Ibn Hajr (d. 852) and al-Nawawi (d. 676) legitimizing mawlids refer, in fact, to such 'innocent' mawlids. Sadly, it is well-nigh impossible to find such 'pure' mawlids practiced in our times!


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http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/11/the-bi...-part-i-of-iii/

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post Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
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lol pepagi jubur dah berdarah

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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
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I don't agree with public processions either. I firmly believe any sort of 'celebration' should be held in the mosque involving prayers.
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post Feb 14 2012, 10:43 AM

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Everyday salawat to Prophet Muhammad. No problemo. Maulidur Rasul? Just another holiday for me.


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post Feb 14 2012, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
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dia ustazah la

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sape yang paham agama tak berapa suka perarakan maulidur rasul tu. hehe. tak leh cakap banyak nanti kena lebel salafi.
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benda kecik2 didahulukan, benda besar2 lagi wajib dilupakan,

cinta rasul konon, jgn munafik sangatlah
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post Feb 14 2012, 10:46 AM

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I think Maulidur Rasul is acceptable bida'ah as day of remembrances,

TS, Im both sunni & shiites


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QUOTE(kira_mha @ Feb 14 2012, 10:44 AM)
benda kecik2 didahulukan, benda besar2 lagi wajib dilupakan,

cinta rasul konon, jgn munafik sangatlah
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post Feb 14 2012, 10:50 AM

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kalau jahil sekali pun, jgnlah halang orang nak ajar hukum-hakam
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TLDR

Siapakah orang yang pertama menyambut maulid Nabi???

Peringatan Maulid Nabi pertama kali dilakukan oleh raja Irbil (wilayah Iraq sekarang), bernama Muzhaffaruddin al-Kaukabri, pada awal abad ke 7 hijriyah. Ibn Katsir dalam kitab Tarikh berkata:

“Sultan Muzhaffar mengadakan peringatan maulid Nabi pada bulan Rabi’ul Awwal. Beliau merayakannya secara besar-besaran. Beliau adalah seorang yang berani, pahlawan,` alim dan seorang yang adil -semoga Allah merahmatinya-”.

Hukum Peringatan Maulid Nabi

Peringatan Maulid Nabi Muhammad sallallahu`alaihi wasallam yang dirayakan dengan membaca sebagian ayat-ayat al-Qur’an dan menyebutkan sebagian sifat-sifat nabi yang mulia, ini adalah perkara yang penuh dengan berkah dan kebaikan kebaikan yang agung. Tentu jika perayaan tersebut terhindar dari bid`ah-bid`ah sayyi-ah yang dicela oleh syara’. Sebagaimana dijelaskan di atas bahwa perayaan Maulid Nabi mulai dilakukan pada permulaan abad ke 7 Hijrah. Ini bererti perbuatan ini tidak pernah dilakukan oleh Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam, para sahabat dan generasi Salaf. Namun demikian tidak bererti hukum perayaan Maulid Nabi dilarang atau sesuatu yang haram. Kerana segala sesuatu yang tidak pernah dilakukan oleh Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam atau tidak pernah dilakukan oleh para sahabatnya belum tentu bertentangan dengan ajaran Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam sendiri. Para ulama’ menyatakan bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi adalah sebahagian daripada bid`ah hasanah (yang baik). Ertinya bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi ini merupakan perkara baru tetapi ia selari dengan al-Qur’an dan hadith-hadith Nabi dan sama sekali tidak bertentangan dengan keduanya



Read further here. tldr
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bidaah tu bro
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orang yang cakap bidaah tu kena hati2 sikit. malaysia undang2 islam lain skit.
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kata saya sayang nabi, tapi sunnah nabi tak nak amalkan... solat jemaah 5 waktu jarang jarang buat, padahal tu benda sunnah nabi yg nabi amat beri perhatian...
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amal apa yang selari selera, tolak apa yang bertentangan ngan nafsu.

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QUOTE(scorps @ Feb 14 2012, 11:01 AM)
bidaah tu bro
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Bidaah hasanah, not bidaah dhalalah.


Inb4 no bidaah hasanah
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tak larat nak layan kat /k bab keagamaan ni biggrin.gif
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sambut hari lahir boleh ke?
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tak larat nak layan kat /k  bab keagamaan ni biggrin.gif
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Concur with that. /k/ is /k/
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Summary lh, u think we all got time to read meh.
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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
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QUOTE(enCORe @ Feb 14 2012, 10:46 AM)
I think Maulidur Rasul is acceptable bida'ah as day of remembrances,

TS, Im both sunni & shiites
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I'm not sure about the Sunni adn Shiites thing. Not sure which group i belong to, heck I'm not sure I want to be in either one anyway. I just follow Quran and Hadith, and try my best to become a better person each day.

QUOTE(kucinggemok @ Feb 14 2012, 10:57 AM)
TLDR

Siapakah orang yang pertama menyambut maulid Nabi???

Peringatan Maulid Nabi pertama kali dilakukan oleh raja Irbil (wilayah Iraq sekarang), bernama Muzhaffaruddin al-Kaukabri, pada awal abad ke 7 hijriyah. Ibn Katsir dalam kitab Tarikh berkata:

“Sultan  Muzhaffar mengadakan peringatan maulid Nabi pada bulan Rabi’ul Awwal. Beliau merayakannya secara besar-besaran. Beliau adalah seorang yang berani, pahlawan,` alim dan seorang yang adil -semoga Allah merahmatinya-”.

Hukum Peringatan Maulid Nabi

Peringatan Maulid Nabi Muhammad sallallahu`alaihi wasallam yang dirayakan dengan membaca sebagian ayat-ayat al-Qur’an dan menyebutkan sebagian sifat-sifat nabi yang mulia, ini adalah perkara yang penuh dengan berkah dan kebaikan kebaikan yang agung. Tentu jika perayaan tersebut terhindar dari bid`ah-bid`ah sayyi-ah yang dicela oleh syara’. Sebagaimana dijelaskan di atas bahwa perayaan Maulid Nabi mulai dilakukan pada permulaan abad ke 7 Hijrah. Ini bererti perbuatan ini tidak pernah dilakukan oleh Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam, para sahabat dan generasi Salaf. Namun demikian tidak bererti hukum perayaan Maulid Nabi dilarang atau sesuatu yang haram. Kerana segala sesuatu yang tidak pernah dilakukan oleh Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam atau tidak pernah dilakukan oleh para sahabatnya belum tentu bertentangan dengan ajaran Rasulullah sallallahu`alaihi wasallam sendiri. Para ulama’ menyatakan bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi adalah sebahagian daripada bid`ah hasanah (yang baik). Ertinya bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi ini merupakan perkara baru tetapi ia selari dengan al-Qur’an dan hadith-hadith Nabi dan sama sekali tidak bertentangan dengan keduanya
Read further here. tldr
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I don't think to 'celebrate' it is wrong at all, it depends on what's your definition of celebration.
I.e. I think Maulid as a remembrance day for the hero of Islam, to remind us all that we HAVE a role model to look up to. Hence it's a remembrance day that should be very close to our heart, not something to be lavishly paraded around in public like celebrations for other religions, i think.

Quoted from hadith bukhari 4:654
Narrated 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh4/bh4_657.htm

Somehow this hadith sticks very closely in my heart, so I plan my actions carefully based on it.

my link got more detailed resources such as ancient kitab and all laugh.gif
but tq anyway for urs. a good read nonetheless.
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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
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yo joe, ur mum really teaches u alot eh..
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Not this maulud thigy agen. It has been discuss for ages and still people questionized it. For me simple je. Nak sambut silakan. Tapi kalau tak mau sambut, jangan kondem orang yang nak sambut....

Kita kalau ikhlas ingat dan selawat keatas nabi, jangan buat time bulan maulid je. Buatlah hari-hari. Tapi since manusia ni mudah lupa dan teralih pandangannye ke sesatu perkara yang lain, Ulamak pon menganjurkan agar perayaan ini dilalukan. Atleast dari dia setahun tak ingat nabi, dapatlah dia ingat sehari. Itu pon pasal dapat Public Holiday...

Sejujurnya, saya kurang bersetuju dengan cara sambutan yang diadakan sekarang. Berarak sambil bawa sepanduk, dan kononnya berselawat ramai2. Last2 bila dah penat, lepak tepi sambil isap rokok. Sia-sia je dia berarak penat satu hari, tapi last2 buat perkara yang tidak disukai ALLAH dan Rasulnya SAW...

Adalah lebih baik kita berselawat dan membaca madih2 Ar-Rasul SAW. Dibuatnya majlis ilmu, bersedekah. Tidak pon kita menghadiri majlis2 penganugerahan sanad amalan Rasulullah SAW, majlis bersama Ulamak dan para Habaib. Baca kitab Syamail Muhammadiyyah ke, dan lain2 perkara yang kita rasakan ianya bermanfaat dan boleh menanam sifat kecintaan kepada Rasulullah SAW...

Kadangkala kita terlalu sangat membincangkan masaalah furu' sehingga kita terlupa concern yang lebih besar. Saya tak nafikan yang saya juga macam tu. Bersama-samalah kita menanamkan fikir dan azam didalam diri kita, apa yang kita lakukan untuk membuktikan cinta ke kepada Rasulullah SAW...

Yang baik datang dari ALLAH, yang buruk datang dari diri saya...

Sekian, terima kasih...


p/s: harap takde pulak yang mempersoal perkataan "Saiyyidina" yang dianjurkan ulamak tu. yang tu lagi panjang ceritanya...
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QUOTE(kucinggemok @ Feb 14 2012, 10:57 AM)
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Para ulama’ menyatakan bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi adalah sebahagian daripada bid`ah hasanah (yang baik). Ertinya bahawa perayaan Maulid Nabi ini merupakan perkara baru tetapi ia selari dengan al-Qur’an dan hadith-hadith Nabi dan sama sekali tidak bertentangan dengan keduanya
Read further here. tldr
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bolded and underlined most important part.

btw selawat nabi is done on 2nd khutbah every jumaat, so technically it's also sambutan maulidur rasul too.....
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Janji aku dapat cuti from ofis on that day. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(tendousidek @ Feb 14 2012, 10:47 AM)
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ah, entah-entah main clit tengah malam.

ustazah la sangat.
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QUOTE(scorps @ Feb 14 2012, 11:03 AM)
kata saya sayang nabi, tapi sunnah nabi tak nak amalkan... solat jemaah 5 waktu jarang jarang buat, padahal tu benda sunnah nabi yg nabi amat beri perhatian...
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siapa kata tak amalkan sunnah nabi? aku nak kawin dua insyAllah hujung tahun depan.. kawin 3 lagi 5 tahun insyaAllah.
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inb4 celebrating birhdays (not islamic culture) let alone of someone.....dead.

n they say Valentines not islamic? hahahahaha

inb4 jubur berdarah forever arone x dapat rosakkan anak dara orang
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ramai yg jahil dkt sini.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:13 PM)
inb4 celebrating birhdays (not islamic culture) let alone of someone.....dead.

n they say Valentines not islamic? hahahahaha

inb4 jubur berdarah forever arone x dapat rosakkan anak dara orang
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In Malaysia, celebrate bday ken, no harms ...Celebrate valentine however is a big no..huehuehue


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QUOTE(mydyory @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM)
ramai yg jahil dkt sini.
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this is /k yo
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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 11:35 AM)
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correct..correct..correct
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QUOTE(mydyory @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM)
ramai yg jahil dkt sini.
if /k discuss about religious memang hancur
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ya kami tahu kami masih jahil
tolong tunjuk ajar ilmu anda yang sungguh power itu
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QUOTE(mydyory @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM)
ramai yg jahil dkt sini.
if /k discuss about religious memang hancur
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too many ustaz,ustazah,commoner wanna give opinions tho most of them r lemons to begin with n cant give n receive with proper discussion ethic
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM)
In Malaysia, celebrate bday ken, no harms ...Celebrate valentine however is a big no..huehuehue
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kau pariah diam!
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:21 PM)
too many ustaz,ustazah,commoner wanna give opinions tho most of them r lemons to begin with n cant give n receive with proper discussion ethic
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i welcome views from anyone no matter high klass ustaz or unker tepi jalan
so the ones who kata we all jahil, tolong tunjukkan jalan yang benar, tq.
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QUOTE(tendousidek @ Feb 14 2012, 01:21 PM)
kau pariah diam!
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U sound very religious, laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:25 PM)
U sound very religious, laugh.gif
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not religious yo just being racist as a malaysian shud
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM)
In Malaysia, celebrate bday ken, no harms ...Celebrate valentine however is a big no..huehuehue
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can what celebrate birthday...its muhibah man and is good giving free foods,drinks n entertainment within limit to ppl of all walk of life regardless poor,rich,black,yellow n an avenue to foster good relationship between human...aint tht what islam is about...unless la kn u kind of ppl who instigate hatred whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ghodul @ Feb 14 2012, 12:58 PM)
Not this maulud thigy agen. It has been discuss for ages and still people questionized it. For me simple je. Nak sambut silakan. Tapi kalau tak mau sambut, jangan kondem orang yang nak sambut....

Kita kalau ikhlas ingat dan selawat keatas nabi, jangan buat time bulan maulid je. Buatlah hari-hari. Tapi since manusia ni mudah lupa dan teralih pandangannye ke sesatu perkara yang lain, Ulamak pon menganjurkan agar perayaan ini dilalukan. Atleast dari dia setahun tak ingat nabi, dapatlah dia ingat sehari. Itu pon pasal dapat Public Holiday...

Sejujurnya, saya kurang bersetuju dengan cara sambutan yang diadakan sekarang. Berarak sambil bawa sepanduk, dan kononnya berselawat ramai2. Last2 bila dah penat, lepak tepi sambil isap rokok. Sia-sia je dia berarak penat satu hari, tapi last2 buat perkara yang tidak disukai ALLAH dan Rasulnya SAW...

Adalah lebih baik kita berselawat dan membaca madih2 Ar-Rasul SAW. Dibuatnya majlis ilmu, bersedekah. Tidak pon kita menghadiri majlis2 penganugerahan sanad amalan Rasulullah SAW, majlis bersama Ulamak dan para Habaib. Baca kitab Syamail Muhammadiyyah ke, dan lain2 perkara yang kita rasakan ianya bermanfaat dan boleh menanam sifat kecintaan kepada Rasulullah SAW...

Kadangkala kita terlalu sangat membincangkan masaalah furu' sehingga kita terlupa concern yang lebih besar. Saya tak nafikan yang saya juga macam tu. Bersama-samalah kita menanamkan fikir dan azam didalam diri kita, apa yang kita lakukan untuk membuktikan cinta ke kepada Rasulullah SAW...

Yang baik datang dari ALLAH, yang buruk datang dari diri saya...

Sekian, terima kasih...
p/s: harap takde pulak yang mempersoal perkataan "Saiyyidina" yang dianjurkan ulamak tu. yang tu lagi panjang ceritanya...
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:28 PM)
can what celebrate birthday...its muhibah man and is good giving free foods,drinks n entertainment within limit to ppl of all walk of life regardless poor,rich,black,yellow n an avenue to foster good relationship between human...aint tht what islam is about...unless la kn u kind of ppl who instigate hatred whistling.gif
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Islam does tell u to not celebrate bday because it can be traces back to the teaching of pagan. Clear, unless u not satisfy with it and try to modify with your justification to show that nothing wrong if your thought behind the action is pure,.
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apa yang aku nampak kat thread ni la kan,masing2 degil dengan pendirian diorang dan senang2 je cakap orang sesat dan jahil,padahal sesame islam boleh duduk bincang sama and tukar pendapat

kesian betul aku tengok melayu islam kat Malaysia ni,daripada berbincang baik2 mulut sekor2 macam p*** laju je haramkan and sesatkan orang

kesian
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:34 PM)
Islam does tell  u to not celebrate bday because it can be traces back to the teaching of pagan. Clear, unless u not satisfy with it and try to modify with your justification to show that nothing wrong if your thought behind the action is pure,.
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kindly elaborate how does a pagan celebrate birthday nod.gif
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:37 PM)
kindly elaborate how does a pagan celebrate birthday nod.gif
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Since knowledge Is at your fingertip, whats stop u from figure that out hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Chechack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:35 PM)
apa yang aku nampak kat thread ni la kan,masing2 degil dengan pendirian diorang dan senang2 je cakap orang sesat dan jahil,padahal sesame islam boleh duduk bincang sama and tukar pendapat

kesian betul aku tengok melayu islam kat Malaysia ni,daripada berbincang baik2 mulut sekor2 macam p*** laju je haramkan and sesatkan orang

kesian
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lemme guess, insert race?
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:41 PM)
Since knowledge Is at your fingertip, whats stop u from figure that out hmm.gif
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what stopping u from teaching a fellow human nod.gif
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post Feb 14 2012, 01:42 PM

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jajaja yang lawak nye non muslim lagi suka komen
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post Feb 14 2012, 01:43 PM

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Apa ada dengan besday.
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:42 PM)
what stopping u from teaching a fellow human nod.gif
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U asking me, an Islam person is asking this kind of question? Like seriously here?
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QUOTE(Ovi @ Feb 14 2012, 01:42 PM)
jajaja yang lawak nye non muslim lagi suka komen
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funny

u do know that the laf is on you rite?
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:43 PM)
U asking me, an Islam person is asking this kind of question? Like seriously here?
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seriously...do enlighten me how does a pagan celebrate birthday nod.gif
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terim kasih ts, tapi tl;dr, maaf.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:45 PM)
funny

u do know that the laf is on you rite?
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orly?
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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
Ko ni sape tetiba nak jadik ustaz ajar kitorang ? Kurang ajar ko eh ? Dasar setan takde agama. Pegi mampus la wei !
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:45 PM)
seriously...do enlighten me how does a pagan celebrate birthday nod.gif
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errmm...yamcha/dance/mabok/singsong on the day of birth anniversary???
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:42 PM)
lemme guess, insert race?
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i already insert the race why u still want to insert rac? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ovi @ Feb 14 2012, 01:47 PM)
orly?
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QUOTE(shajack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:45 PM)
seriously...do enlighten me how does a pagan celebrate birthday nod.gif
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Dude, how they celebrate bday is not important whether they sacrifice a pig, a cow, a lion, it doesn't matter, the fact that it was practice since the day of the pagan, I assume b4 Islam, therefor after Islam if u Muslim u re not allowed to carry any of those polytheistic belief with u anymore, and this included celebrate bday. Get it,

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:50 PM)
oh...of kos u dunno  laugh.gif
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yep enlighten meh.. come on
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QUOTE(Chechack @ Feb 14 2012, 01:49 PM)
i already insert the race why u still want to insert rac?  biggrin.gif
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adui......kolos pls. how many times? www.muslimtered.com.my.

post there. don waste time here.
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 01:50 PM)
Dude, how they celebrate bday is not important whether they sacrifice a pig, a cow, a lion, it doesn't matter, the fact that it was practice since the day of the pagan, I assume b4 Islam, therefor after Islam if u Muslim u re not allowed to carry any of those polytheistic belief with u anymore, and this included celebrate bday. Get it,
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ok,i get,ty nod.gif

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QUOTE(Ovi @ Feb 14 2012, 01:50 PM)
yep enlighten meh.. come on
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sry...not here..ayam not kibod warrior...

u wan we meet up 1 on 1. man to man...then i tell u.
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QUOTE(JAW-151 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:51 PM)
adui......kolos pls. how many times? www.muslimtered.com.my.

post there. don waste time here.
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No flaming here, just exchange opinions . Y mad?
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:52 PM)
sry...not here..ayam not kibod warrior...

u wan we meet up 1 on 1. man to man...then i tell u.
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u gonna explain how the laff is on me liek tat? wakakaka
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QUOTE(Ovi @ Feb 14 2012, 01:53 PM)
u gonna explain how the laff is on me liek tat? wakakaka
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ok la...if u dun wan, take mirror look at ur face....ada paham? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 02:53 PM)
No flaming here, just exchange opinions . Y mad?
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boring la.. everyday religion. talk better kook topic la..

keropok lekor alredi potong. what more to say. keep quiet lo.

doont waste life talking bout religion. covered enuf di. cover more topic it'll be dark days forever.

take time to enjoy the world. but nabi aside. life is too short for all these.
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QUOTE(JAW-151 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:57 PM)
boring la.. everyday religion. talk better kook topic la..

keropok lekor alredi potong. what more to say. keep quiet lo.

doont waste life talking bout religion. covered enuf di. cover more topic it'll be dark days forever.

take time to enjoy the world. but nabi aside. life is too short for all these.
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Not everyday woh, this the 1st I see for tday, yesterday don't hav lh me think.. later this sure kena delete even proper discussion were made also
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QUOTE(boscorelli @ Feb 14 2012, 10:35 AM)
Ko ni sape tetiba nak jadik ustaz ajar kitorang ? Kurang ajar ko eh ? Dasar setan takde agama. Pegi mampus la wei !
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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Feb 14 2012, 03:01 PM)
Not everyday woh, this the 1st I see for tday, yesterday don't hav lh me think.. later this  sure kena delete even proper discussion were made also
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is it? haha..maybe one only. but no religion better. so goin for date tonite? valentine's mang.
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QUOTE(JAW-151 @ Feb 14 2012, 02:08 PM)
is it? haha..maybe one only. but no religion better. so goin for date tonite? valentine's mang.
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Later. Dinner...
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