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post Feb 14 2012, 06:43 AM

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The FA is under us. That's why.
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post Feb 14 2012, 03:59 PM

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Maybe they prefer someone more physical/who 'works' harder. That's why Carrick never got a look in. They are clueless really. They shove Scholes down the left before he retired. His form this and last year have been very good IMO. He should get a look in this time, but probably the likes of Barry and Parker will still be ahead of him because they appear to work harder.

Gerrard, Lampard, Parker, Barry, Wilshere(if fit) would most probably go. Hopefully Carrick and Cleverley will go as well..plus Scholes.
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post Feb 15 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Tienhoven @ Feb 15 2012, 01:02 AM)
Nice stats Carrick, but stats are only stats. The influence in the game is another story. You can end up at the back doing 200 passes with the back line and have 100% stats. Almost everytime when Carrick partners Scholes, man of the match honors goes to the later. Problem is he doesn't do anything spectacular for me. At the same time he doesn't do much wrong with it as well, so probably that's why he doesn't get the heat often.

That all has changed now. The villain who famously concede valuable possession and unfortunately the ball ends up back in the net as well. The 08/09 CL final defeat to Barca. The 09/10 CL versus B.munich, both goals his creation of mistake. Carrick makes Gerard look super good I must say. When he loses the ball, in the big games those teams really make you pay. Carrick plays the ball backwards and slows the play down. With exciting players coming down the ranks, he seems out of place.

He does have his moments. Like the Roma demolition. I just think his price tag is not justified. At all. He is decent and is playing well atm. Can't wait for the Ajax game.
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I thought football is a team game? We as a team failed in those games, against Barca especially in thw two finals where we got outclassed. And against Barca, with how they pressed us, even Scholes would give the ball away. As for the Bayern game the fact that we were a man down for the 2nd half were the reason we went out.

As for his passing range, it depends on the role he plays. But if you look at Scholes' stats, it would be the same sideways passes that would dominate the chart. And I read somewhere a while back, he attempted more forward passes than any other players aside from the defenders at the club.

You expect him to be spectacular? Why is that? His role in the team is to shield the defence and keep the ball moving and he does it well than most players. He's been first choice ever since he got here, although he struggled for a bit before this season losing his place to Fletcher. But he was struggling with his ankle injury if I'm not mistaken.

People have been underrating our midfield a lot over the years. But with the supposedly weak midfield, we won the league 4 times in five years and went to the CL finals 3 times, winning it once. Should have been 4 finals really if the ref had any balls to give Bommel a couple more cards in that game..and against Inter, I would fancy our chances.

He's been consistently been very good in most games. He had a dip in form, which happens to even Scholes and Giggs when they're nearing 30, but this season ever since he got back in the side, he has stepped up another gear. He's very important to our defence too being the only one currently capable of shielding them.
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QUOTE(Tienhoven @ Feb 15 2012, 10:14 AM)
I just feel he is overpriced and you don't need me to point out why he is left out of the squad nowdays and not really in the England frame. Simple, there are just better and exciting players who can do what he does. The only reason he is partnering Scholes now is due to heavy injury list. He is no doubt behind,Scholes,Giggs,Park,Ando,Cleverly,Fletcher in SAF's choice this season. He is playing well atm, like I said and hope he uses this chance to reinsert himself as an important part of the squad.
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Park? In the CM role he's behind everyone.
Scholes, Giggs, Cleverley..they would play with Carrick next to them.
Ando, still too hit and miss right now but he too more often than not is more suoted to play next to someone like Carrick.
Fletcher when in form is certainly a threat to his place when in form. But he can't shield the midfield as good as Carrick does.

As for overprice..look at all the English players that move clubs over the years. They all cost a lot. And his performance and contribution have more than made up for it.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Feb 15 2012, 05:41 PM)
Simple passes are often overlook, I'd say. Cleverly has been doing what Carrick has done all the years with just an another advancement. A mobile type of Carrick.

Despite of getting worried of Carrick, we should be worry of Anderson. I'm not trying to question his ability but his consistencies that gets me. He's at what age now? Yet, he just can't be consistent with his gameplay.

And I agree with Wan, our midfield isn't as poor as it rumored to be. Just because we don't have any BIG names, we are NOT poor.
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He just needs to steer clear of injuries. It's frustrating really. Just when he starts to put good consistent performances, his knee will go(arrow?). Potentially a beast there and seems to struck up a pretty good partnership with Cleverley. I agrer that someone like Cleverley does bring out the best of Ando. He need to be busy on the ball to be effective, and with Cleverley, he gets to see plenty of the ball not to mention Cleverley's movement open up the space all over.

I hope his fitness will improve. If Pogba decides to stay and he performs as well if not better than his last cameo, we will look very comfortable there..


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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Feb 15 2012, 05:59 PM)
fabio to start at lb yay~
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Hope he plays and impress us. Evra needs some competition and cover. And Evra won't be running up and down much longer..


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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 15 2012, 07:09 PM)
Well that's my point. Some people only look at the flashy stuff. They don't look at the bread and butter.
Definitely, he's behind Scholes, but besides that, he is the best passer in the team. The pass completion stats show that.
To help emphasise your point, Barca topped the sideways/backwards passing list in the CL last season. Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta all made the top 5, IINM. Carrick, did not make the top 3 or top 5 or something like that.

And I believe part of the reasons Carrick did not play at the start of the season was because he was injured. And the Cleverley and Anderson combo was simply amazing. Although, defensively, they still had a lot of work to do.
I've always felt that Cleverley is like short passing on hyperspeed. He loves all those little one - twos at break neck speed and that seems to bring the best out of Anderson.
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Yeah Carrick was struggling with injuries at the start. One of yhe reason we went out of the CL. Injuries to us this season is ridiculous.

I think we went a bit stale in midfield ever since Tevez's last season with us. We didnt score a lot that season compared to other seasons even with CR, Tevez, Roon and Berba as the firepower. Teams knew how we play with our CMs acting as the shield and playing more like a DLP.

Cleverley completely changed things around. His hyperspeed plays, the one two's, quick passing and taking no more than two touches most of the time.. and he's always on the move. His play just open up so much space. Add people who's comfortable on the ball and mobility around him like Ando, Young, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck and the young defenders.. with them pressing like mad, they will wreck havoc. Its beautiful when in full flow. I would like to see that again with in form Valencia and Carrick thrown in the mix.


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:23 pmMini Scholes without the vision/long range passes and control, and goal scoring ability.

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QUOTE(Tienhoven @ Feb 16 2012, 12:18 AM)
if you would bother to bold the "in this season" then it would make sense now would it. carrick only came into the frame this season after most of them are injured. the exciting attacking play we had in the early season made him redundant. Please read that I agree he is playing well and making a point with his quality in the squad. i get it,he doesnt score many goals,doesnt dribble...we all know thats not in his game. please read before making comments. its hurts the head as hard as the denis irwin comparison.

anybody staying up for the arsenal vs ac milan game?
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Carrick was having problems with his ankles at the start of the season. That's why he didn't feature much. And SAF made a point saying Carrick is a slow starter. With us looking very vurnerable at the back, he would have been thrown into action even withous seeing the others went out inuured.
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Unless one of the wingers leave, I can't see us bringing in another winger. Then there's that 25 squad list we have to register in the league n CL.
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Feb 17 2012, 01:37 AM)
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post Feb 17 2012, 06:03 PM

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Valencia out will be a blow. He stepped up another gear with the way he just buldoze through the middle. The only direction he knew was to go wide, so it's nice to see him run at people through the middle. Very effective too.
Good to see Hernandez improving his link up play although sometimes he did them a bit too much, and his passing sometimes is off a bit, but it sure does look like he's been training at them.
Fabio played well too I thought. Good to see. Now just stay fit so we can rest Evra now and then.

They still hurt over that?
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Evra, Trolling level=Veteran
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No need to talk anymore about that proven liar. Twice now he got caught red handed. No need to proof anything anymore when he himself admitted them.
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post Feb 17 2012, 06:59 PM

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Wow. Mind game works.
He trolled Rafa back then as well with the Fahct rant.

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post Feb 27 2012, 02:58 AM

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Unfortunately for them, it means King Kenny stays for a while longer.

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Now let's hope we don't trip ourselves tomorrow. But for now, we're gonna have a quiet chuckle..

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post Mar 4 2012, 02:41 PM

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Ref have the right medicine. Show some cards, and he would be cured straightaway.
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post Mar 4 2012, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 4 2012, 04:50 PM)
u just wait they will show you FRAME BY FRAME how LS is actually fouled by the keeper ala Evra no handshake style frame by frame  laugh.gif  doh.gif
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Last2 LS mengaku he disn't shake Evra's hand. laugh.gif
Or how they become language experts about the negrito word and argue about it 24/7 for weeks. In the end turned out it was another word. It's good entertainment. Comedy show that could rival Shinchan.
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Not great performance, although we defended well. 3 well taken goals. Young have end product, but he needs to get back his early season form. And what happened to Nani? Where are your balls? Transferred to Valencia ka?
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They like to watch history channel.
Let them be.

Any team news?
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post Mar 25 2012, 07:55 PM

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Even if we begged him, what's wrong? He's still a super player and should not have even retired in the first place when he can play as well as he has for us since coming back.

Who would have known Fletcher would still have problems with that illness of his and that both Ando and Cleverley would struggle throughout the season with injuries. Our whole squad really have been struggling with injuries. Nani who we expected to kick on haven't had the chance since its been a stop start season for him. Same goes for Young. Only Valencia been able to sustain his good form but he missed quite a bit of important games for us in Europe especially. It's been crazy this season.
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QUOTE(Tienhoven @ Mar 26 2012, 03:23 AM)
Damn so many fans here can't read. Never did I said Scholes is bad, that is blasphemy. He is one of the best nuff said. When you can't even see the real situation that is going on in the club then that's too bad you need to be spoon fed literally.

It's a known fact and is often mentioned about the weakness of the CM. Use some brain cells please. We chasing few midfielders for what? Call Scholes back for what? Injury yes, so defense all injured we got ask Denis Irwin come and play? SAF not retarded as well. Can't secure a move for a genuine midfielder so had to recall Scholes, simple. So what Vieira said is true.

Hypocrites mocking City for taking Tevez back as the real issue is you guys are worried. They never parted ways with Tevez, he just went away to get his head straight. His head is straight now, yours unfortunately is far up your arses.

Contradicting and logic? How about some blind fans?

I doubt there is anything smart would be said and leaving it there as it is. I am just a fan who asks hard questions and wants to see United do well. This is turning up to be one of the most exciting season ending because City is the one challenging. Burns me up really well.
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Irwin? Or even Gary even, they are well past it. If they still had the ability and their fitness level are good, I wouldn't have been surprised to see them sign like Scholes did. But fact is Irwin retired over a decade ago and Gary retired because he can't hack it anymore and was struggling with injuries. Totally different scenario. We sign Owen(the striker) on.. And still kept him on despite his injuries.

We had options at the back, and apart from Rio and Vida, the others are good enough to make up a very capable backline. Even with the twins out, we could always slot someone like Park or Valencia at RB.

Evra, Rafael, Fabio
Rio, Vida, Evans, Smalling, Jones

At that that time Scholes decided to continue again, we had Fletcher out for the season with that virus of his, and Ando and Cleverley both out injured(recurring injuries at that). And at least two out of Valencia, Young and Nani were injured that time. It made perfect sense to sign Scholes back, since he was available and his fitness level is still at a good level even though he retired for 6 months already.

Valencia, Young, Nani, Park
Carrick, Ando, Cleverley, Fletcher, Giggs

We have the numbers and quality, but injuries took most of that away. Maybe we could have prepared better by having(sign new players) more options, but there's the matter of that 25 man list we have to worry about. And as the young ones get older, we have to make room to fit them all in.


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