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xandras
post Feb 10 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Feb 10 2012, 10:48 AM)
Losing top speed is not a prob for me as well, barely run more than 130km/h.

RPM fast drop actually affect everyday driving as well such as when we release the accelerator pedal and glide forward to slow down. Faster rpm drop means it will be a shorter glide. In a start stop traffic, LCP lower end torque (faster rpm rise) helps but it will also be negated by the faster rpm drop coz it cuts our gliding forward time (no accelerator press). Of course for pedal happy guys, accelerate and press brake to stop harder, repeat, RPM drop will not matter. For FC conscious guys like me, rarely hard brake, just glide forward and slow to a stop, it does affect.

My City with CVT drive actually drop its RPM quite slowly (due to CVT mah), thus it allows maximum gliding time (no accelerator press) while car moving forward to a slow stop. This save FC. After driving City for 5 years, sort of brought this technique to PE as well, tho PE rpm drop quite fast comparitively.

Engine braking of course still require actual braking especially for downhill. Engine braking only supplements our braking power that helps in pulling back the engine to help increase braking power. I also don't know how LCP changes will affect this (thats why I asked abt it) but it was based on comments by fellow City members that have experienced this with Myth LCP.

I'm totally noob in engine mod except for a couple of very minor mod that I've personally used. ie VS, grounding, PC cable.
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Fast RPM drop is because the LCP is lighter than stock, it can't maintain the spinning momentum like a stock CP.

Reduced engine braking; to do with the weight of LCP also. But this is very minimal, unless ur pulley is undersized. Think physics, compare to the Fast RPM Drop issue above & u shall get ur answer smile.gif

QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:07 AM)
because the LCP make the enging pulling less inertial force,:
Pick up: engine -->gearbox--> wheel
engine breaking: wheel-->gearbox-->engine

exp: a manual car speeding at 80km/h@2krpm 3rd gear, to slow the car with enging breaking without break, lower the gear to 2nd but due to the gear ratio is higer than 3rd gear so the rpm rise up because the wheel spin the gear and the force will then pass to engin and this is so call engine breaking.
in the simple way to siad accelerate is we inject the petrol to force engin to spin the wheel through gear box, engine breaking is we use the gear ratio to counter the wheel spin by using engine force.
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rclxub.gif u dengue till sentence also no full stop Liao ka?

This post has been edited by xandras: Feb 10 2012, 11:42 AM
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(vccy @ Feb 10 2012, 10:39 AM)
no.3 this will not hurt your gear box meh?  hmm.gif Is true changing LCP lower your braking system? I not really feel lo cos persona m-line braking suck even without changing the LCP lo.  sweat.gif
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sure hurt gearbox, anything in the world has a life span, if over use it will shorten the life span. Remember our car is road car it is not design for race.


Added on February 10, 2012, 11:44 am
QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 11:15 AM)
Fast RPM drop is because the LCP is lighter than stock, it can't maintain the spinning momentum like a stock CP.

Reduced engine braking; to do with the weight of LCP also. But this is very minimal, unless ur pulley is undersized. Think physics, compare to the Fast RPM Drop issue above & u shall get ur answer smile.gif
rclxub.gif u dengue till sentence also no full stop Liao ka?
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doh.gif belum habis cerita saya by the time you quote lah....

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post Feb 10 2012, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(abong8 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:15 AM)
Your point 1 & 2 contradict each other.. Faster RPM drop promotes an increase in engine braking.. But personally, I don't think that those effect will be too obvious.. Unless your skimming your flywheel, then its definitely gonna makes RPM response being faster.. Crankshaft get their momentum from flywheel, not crank pulley..
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I kinda agree with point 1 & 2, although u said it might contradict each other. hmm.gif Cos I do realise that engine braking is weaker after changing LCP..
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 11:15 AM)
Reduced engine braking; to do with the weight of LCP also. But this is very minimal, unless ur pulley is undersized. Think physics, compare to the Fast RPM Drop issue above & u shall get ur answer smile.gif
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Does that means the Myth LCP that is actually smaller than stock is consider undersized?
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:48 AM

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eh where is our animal members mia ? laugh.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:48 AM)
eh where is our animal members mia ? laugh.gif
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huh.gif You calling me? Why? Got TT ah? whistling.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:54 AM

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^ animal no1 sudah repot in. laugh.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Feb 10 2012, 11:46 AM)
Does that means the Myth LCP that is actually smaller than stock is consider undersized?
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Myth LCP is the same size as stock leh.
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post Feb 10 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 10 2012, 11:54 AM)
^ animal no1 sudah repot in. laugh.gif
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laugh.gif you also animal meh... hmm.gif


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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:52 AM)
huh.gif You calling me? Why? Got TT ah?  whistling.gif
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our member got elephant got bears ......

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post Feb 10 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:58 AM)
laugh.gif you also animal meh... hmm.gif
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Bear bear mana? whistling.gif

Yay! I'll be driving a Mitsuoka for the first time in my life!! =.=
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
Bear bear mana? whistling.gif

Yay! I'll be driving a Mitsuoka for the first time in my life!! =.=
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apa itu, shushi cars ?
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:58 AM)
laugh.gif you also animal meh... hmm.gif


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our member got elephant got bears ......
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I am pointing to that elephant

QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
Bear bear mana? whistling.gif

Yay! I'll be driving a Mitsuoka for the first time in my life!! =.=
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which one?

Mitsuoka cute ah?

XD
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
Bear bear mana? whistling.gif

Yay! I'll be driving a Mitsuoka for the first time in my life!! =.=
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hell car?
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Feb 10 2012, 12:01 PM)
apa itu, shushi cars ?
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Soh@I brand that makes Soh@I cars based on Toyota & Nissan.

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 10 2012, 12:01 PM)
I am pointing to that elephant
which one?

Mitsuoka cute ah?

XD
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Nope. Galue.

QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ Feb 10 2012, 12:02 PM)
hell car?
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Worse than that... Nissan Cedric inside, Mitsuoka outside..-.-

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post Feb 10 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 10 2012, 11:54 AM)
^ animal no1 sudah repot in. laugh.gif
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DEY PERGI MATI!
QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
Bear bear mana? whistling.gif

Yay! I'll be driving a Mitsuoka for the first time in my life!! =.=
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Fapping lah. Apa lagi. brows.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Feb 10 2012, 12:04 PM)
DEY PERGI MATI!

Fapping lah. Apa lagi. brows.gif
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Imagine a bear fapping.. O.o
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:08 PM)
Imagine a bear fapping.. O.o
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laugh.gif Imagine an elephant fappi....... Oh, wait. blush.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Feb 10 2012, 12:12 PM)
laugh.gif Imagine an elephant fappi....... Oh, wait.  blush.gif
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Trunk rubbing 'trunk'..whistling.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 11:45 AM)
I kinda agree with point 1 & 2, although u said it might contradict each other. hmm.gif Cos I do realise that engine braking is weaker after changing LCP..
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If u say engine breaking is weaker, mean coasting will be improved and cavino is a very happy man then..
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post Feb 10 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:04 PM)
Soh@I brand that makes Soh@I cars based on Toyota & Nissan.
Nope. Galue.
Worse than that... Nissan Cedric inside, Mitsuoka outside..-.-
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u buat misai tebal and be unker looking then it should match the car.


Added on February 10, 2012, 12:16 pm
QUOTE(xandras @ Feb 10 2012, 12:14 PM)
Trunk rubbing 'trunk'..whistling.gif
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when pancut the trunk accidentally tersedut... doh.gif

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