If I am not mistaken, u still can buy 1st phase 22 x 75 sub sale around RM600 to 650K at 16 sierra and D'Alpinia. or is this price point too high for investors?? I am of the opinion that the days of fast easy money are gone and a reasonable time frame would be 3 to 5 years. So within this time frame atmosphera would alredi VP and IOI and others may have started their other projects. of coz it all depends how IOI develop their commercial land but them being typical chinaman (with loads of cash reserve who can wait) don think they will be too far off the mark. The area currently has all the potential to become a commercial hub at south klang valey coz after this place is putrajaya and cyberjaya. Putrajaya is turning out to be another Shah Alam of 20 years ago and cyberjaya IMO will never become another pusat bandar puchong. So that leaves only the 16 sierra area to pickup on the commercial/retail demand. Note Hap Seng also have commercial plot to develop. So if the commercial hub does develop then this side of LDP oso much nicer environment compared to pasar borong side, jam oso much less. Another plus point so far the non bumi (mainly chinese) seem to predominate (purchased). Hence I only see upside here and it may be slow but sure gain (safe bet). Some may claim lost opportunity cost and what not but I am risk averse and keep min 60% in safe investments. rest in volatile investments like stoks, etc and tiny portion go to casino and have a blast once in while coz its fun playing risky stuff.

Baring external shocks I speculate the price here going past RM1million more so if the crap in US and EU implode/explode or what ever. I think within next 2 years it may happen and when it does will cause a big shock to global currencies coz those idiots in the west are pulling liquidity out of thin air and there will be a limit to that.

Dont think able to get at Rm600 k, last year agents demanding Rm 650 k minimum

2nd DPC? I put my bet on Canal City or Setia Eco Glades instead of the above mentioned.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Feb 11 2012, 06:44 PM

Canal city and setia eco glades will not become DPC depends which aspect you are comparing.

DPC is a decent size development (of course much smaller than Canal city), but it ability to attract people from other area resulting good attraction and this impact adds up over time. WE do have smaller pocket of development which is very nice but perhaps lacking the size of DPC to create such attention.

Matthew, I read you are fed up with paying maintenance. I know Lyden has perimeter fencing and a guard house but no guards. So, if all owners decide against paying, there would be no guards at all right?

Do you think the houses will appreciate to more than a million without security? Just asking as I was interested in 16 Sierra too, but that time was about RM500k only.

Lyden comes with guardhouse and guards ... with home alarm system integrated to guardhouse. ..

Well, then Lyden is great... What if ppl buy for investment and dont stay there? Who pays?

U mean short term of long term investment?... i agree that gone are the days of 2009... but sometimes is hard to say.... property might stand still a while and increaswe another 30%..... or we might see a blip of 10%... who knows.....

It was the same situation during 2009..... to take the plunge... or not to...... thoses who took a risk was rewarded...... not sure about now...material price already increase and inflation is rising..... salary remains stagnant....

When we were at 16 Sierra last year, the SA told us that the whole of 16 Sierra is gated with guard house but no guards. Guess, after increasing the price of Lyden, they have to provide better value to customers by adding guards.

Not only Lyden, Odoraalso GnG ... IF not mistaken, only Sierra 8 is not guarded ..

What is the price for both project? If entry price if right then ok for both. If almost same as d island then can forget about it.

Is the developer make the different...

Guard house without a guard? ...thats weird..... or they waiting for a comittee to hire the guards?

LBS has make magic at D'island....SP Setia has make magic of SA, see how is the creativity of IJM than....

Sierra 8 is guarded at the guard house. Every owner is given 2 access cards to enter/exit Sierra 8.

3 types of G&G

Strata Title with DMC - true G&G, all road inside compund are private area under strata title, usually higher maintenance fees as you need to pay for road lamp eletricity, rubbish collection fees, guard wages. example like condo, townhouse in 16 sierra.

Individual Title with DMC - You own the land of your house, outside your gate considered as common area / public area, you are compulsory to pay low maintenance fees for guard wages according to DMC. Road lamp and rubbish collecttion wll be conducted and paid by MPS. Due to road is public, you can't stop outside people to enter your compound according to law. Example Mah Sing Kinrara Residence

Individual Title without DMC - You own the land of your house, outside the date considered as public area but you have no obligation to pay guard wages because no DMC, therefore, if all residence don't pay, left guard house without guard scenario. Example, Adenia, Areca, Lyden in 16 Sierra.

IOI just build the guard house and gated for you don't cost them much, important is they never force buyer sign DMC. As some forumer said, eventually only have guard house without guard monitoring service, no garden maintenance service.

Are you sure that those you mentioned is without DMC? Are you one of the owner?

I am one of owner of Areca, confirmed no DMC signed.

Worth for investment? Leasehold d. How much selling right now for double story?

How sure are you for Lyden? Since you've also highlighted there.