Any update on the civic facelift for 2014?
2012 Honda Civic Malaysian Version Revealed!, Here's how our new civic will look like!
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Oct 19 2013, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(M3White @ Oct 6 2013, 12:47 AM) Hi Bro & Sis, I would like to know oso.. It's worth to buy Navi version (add 5k) instead of 2.0 + oem dvd/gps outside 1.5k? Ehich one better? Pls advise me sifus.1) My Civic (2.0cc) end 2012, last batch of Gen 8.5, millage 14,000km. When I full tank & 0 up millage, drive 2 days, pump & measure, I just noticed it cost me at 21-23 cents per km, is it a normal? 2) Anyone can advised how to modify to make boot trunk to open via remote? 3) OEM-Dashboard Build (DVD GPS), how much & is it better then original 6CD? I enjoy watching news while driving Regards  This post has been edited by viking kong: Oct 19 2013, 11:28 AM |
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Oct 19 2013, 12:21 PM
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Thanks M3White. Appreciated.
At first, I want to buy 1.8 but the features offered oledi killing me. Then last 2 weeks I tested my friend's 1.8 car & I feel 1.8 is under power when want to potong other car.. feel berat. I think Civic made for 2.0 same like accord..made for 2.4. The best rebate that I got is 6k for all civic model. Maybe I need to wait until m'sia budget 14 next week. Let's see. |
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Oct 19 2013, 03:05 PM
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When Gen9.5 will be available in M'sia? Confirmed or hearsay?
Gen8.5 2.0 more powerful than Gen9 2.0? 155PS @ 6,500rpm and 190Nm @ 4,300rpm. 2.0 9 gen SOHC 155PS @ 6,000rpm and 188Nm @ 4,200rpm. 2.0 8.5 gen DOHC |
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Oct 22 2013, 04:39 PM
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Cheers Bro,
Which words that showed I'm emotional? haha Anyway, I just curious when people said Gen 8 more powerful than Gen 9 because it's DOHC. But the info from Honda showed, HP is same for both while torque Gen 9 have extra 2 than Gen 8. Please elaborate, saya budak baru belajar. However, Civic US aka gen9.5(perhaps) is gorgeous. Anybody have info, it this version coming to m'sia or not? This post has been edited by viking kong: Oct 22 2013, 04:43 PM |
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Oct 22 2013, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(jjchew88 @ Oct 22 2013, 04:46 PM) SOHC has a characteristic of better pickup from stationary compare to DOHC (low rev). Can you explain in layman. (note...we are talking on civic 2.0 Dohc vs civic 2.0 Sohc ya)DOHC has more omph during high rev Such as... when you potong other car you need pickup, so sohc better. When you drive 150kmh... Dohc engine still quiet but sohc have some noise and berat. Long term..civic dohc engine will lasting than civic sohc. (Example) |
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Oct 23 2013, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(M3White @ Oct 22 2013, 11:37 PM) Bro, Simple layman language lah ye..... HP or PS or whatever measurement indicator..... all stated on paper. Example 155PS in , Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, KIA, Hyndai, VW, Peugeot & many brands. Not all the same even though it is the same in numbering "155" We r talking about Honda 2.0 Sohc and Honda 2.0 Dohc. Not Toyota, Mazda, proton. kia and etc.  This is what Honda advertised worldwide. If incorrect or just on paper, they shud kena sue. Update. Nobody sue Honda about this Again, layman language, your Size is L for John Master, it might be XL size if it's Charlie brand But if u bring your body & tested... your ll not really emphasis on L or XL but fix & comfort.  You light up my life broSOHC vs DOHC which 1 better in overall? Civic FD - Gen 8 (2005-2009) & Gen 8.5 (FL Model, 2009-2012) series 1.8i & 1.8L (Both SOHC) 2.0 & 2.0 M Concept (DOHC) Why Honda made SOHC for 1.8 & not DOHC? or both DOHC for 1.8 & 2.0? We are talking about 2.0 not 1.8. Civic FB (2012-now) 1.8 & 2.0 (Both SOHC) How can u be sure of performance? i) Try to get any 2.0 DOHC from friend or tested from used car ii) Again tested 2.0 SOHC i)I don't know the performance because never test. If i test, sure I rembat kaw kaw until maximum. Can test your car?  ii)Any SA can give me a test drive to rembat...? If I dont rembat sure I dont know whether sohc can perform or not You can feel the difference by your own. Me, tested both & my experience : i) 2.0 SOHC not that powerful compare to 2.0 DOHC ii) Ask honest Honda mechanic, ensure No bias element, He ll tell u, 2.0 SOHC FC slightly lower as well as power. i)Thanks for your opinion. ii) Theory wise is like that la. How about Dohc year 2001 technology compare with Sohc 2012 technology? If u happy with Gen 9 design, SOHC engine & low FC, then go for Gen 9 Im happy with Civic US design. But no choice If u ask when new FL ll be available (Gen 9.5), I don't think u ll get the answer But if u follow the automobile rythm, u can see, whatever model launch in Thailand, ll be in Malaysia 6-12 mths. When honda start to give 8-10k discounts, it's time for new facelift to come. If Honda Msia leak info, Gen 9.5 ll be launched soon, mean they prepared to suicide! Me, at 1st place, I though Gen 8 & FL model quite old (2005-2012), I am about to wait for new model Gen 9, wait since 2011, tiba-tiba, I saw Gen 9 in US, India & later on Thailand... that moment, I make up my mind to Buy Gen 8FL (FD2). I used for 9 mths & experience FC in long distance very save 16 cents/km only town very 22-25 cents/km I hunt for the answer & finally get 1 which made me satisfy U look for low FC, go for Vios, MyVi for Viva even better. U want performance 2.0 DOHC, a friend of mine expert in Honda servicing told me SOHC Jimat FC but less power. Your Honda expert friend just said.... SOHC Jimat FC but less power.??? That all?  I strongly believe u bukan budak-budak, buying RM100K++ toys is not a joke. Tested, make up your mind & buy.... If u want Urgent, buy now but if u can wait, surely there ll be FB2 but no one can tell exept: 1) God 2) Honda CEO 3) Time to tell Thanks Sorry bcoz saying emotional...... but my intention just contribute some idea as sharing in this forum It's ok, once I buy 2.0 fb, then we can test drag. If I were u now, I ll consider Mazda 3 (skyactiv 2.0) as low as Vios the FC World top 10 engine & superb design vs Civic Gen9 Mazda good in design, engine, handling, performance but poor in Resell Value Agreed. |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(M3White @ Oct 23 2013, 10:57 AM) Thanks Bro for the above link, very clear explaination Yes. The article is correct in general term.As a conclusion 2.O SOHC PRO i) Pick up better in "low-end" mode, like city driving, stuck in the trafic jam ii) Low FC in city drive due to low RPM in city driving CON i) Highway (less power & high FC) ii) Long distance "high-end" driving in high way (100km/h & above), high RPM causing high FC As my conclusion, SOHC suitable for: i) City driving ii) Drive that not really emphasis on "Speed" (120km/h & below) Out off topic.. I remember last 2 years when Honda produce CBR250r Single cylinder 2011. People compare with successful Kawasaki Ninja 250r with 2 cylinder 2008. It's almost the same scenario with sohc vs dohc debate. 1 cylinder - save fuel but need to sacrifice the hp. Engine vibrate also very high. 2 cylinders - for performance but minyak a little bit kuat. Result in real life, Top speed for both almost same. 160kmh. Torque cbr win. No high vibration as claimed in the engine for cbr. cbr more fuel saving and euro3 complied. Why this happen? it's technology and it's Honda. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:55 PM
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Firstly, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
For your info, even people said gen 9 is getting ugly, the demand are still high. With the ugly looks, Civic gen 9 is still the best c-segment sales in M'sia.  Size wise, 4,525mm in length, 1,755mm in width and 1,430mm in height for Gen 9 4,540mm, 1,755mm, and 1,435mm for Gen 8 From the overall data, Gen 8 more spacious (little bit) but honestly, the rear legroom gen 9 still feels just as spacious as gen 8. Here are the changes in the cabin layout compared to the 8th Gen based on honda data not by SA or honda technician at SC. (please dont said it's only just on paper ya )Shoulder room improved by 75mm Couple distance improved by 10mm Cabin length to the back of the rear seats improved by 10mm Rear legroom improved by 40mm The floor space of the cabin is now 5mm lower for the front and 15mm lower for the rear, meaning more ambiance space inside. The front seats are positioned 5mm further in front How they do it? It's Honda. The pro's of Gen 9 over Gen 8. 1. Redesigned the A pillar that this has significantly reduced blind spot. The width of the A pillar in that area has been reduced by as much as 9% and this has resulted in a 36% improvement in visibility. 2. i-MID (Intelligent-Multi Information Display) 3. Keyless Entry and Push Start button. 4. ECON green button 5. Color changing speed display 6. After sales service, 5 year warranty with unlimited mileage, maintenance interval 10,000km, Free labour service up to 6 visits for every alternate paid service until 100,000km 7. etc... cannot remember |
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Oct 25 2013, 09:49 AM
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Where is dohc vs sohc?hehe
Beauty is subjective. My eyes, gen9 dashboard is beauty & nice compare to gen 8. Outside look is average same like gen8. Both cars have their own character. To be honest, 95% of people that saying gen 9 is ugly and condemm the car is gen8 owner. I dont know why, maybe trying to maintain the 2nd hand value? Again, gen9 is still hot cake with highest sales for c segment in our country mean its not ugly. Who want to spend 130k for ugly car? 1 bad thing is the price tag. Honda msia take advantage for H brand. Lancer GT 2.0 120k cbu japan, ford focus titanium 2.0 115k with lot of feature. |
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Oct 25 2013, 11:50 AM
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Copy paste from other forum. Reviewed by owner who owned Gen8 and Gen9 1.8. He covers almost all aspects for typical user except dohc and sohc.
Salam fellow PWers! Here goes a small effort of mine for a comparison between the Honda Civic 8th gen and the 9th gen. The pictorial differences are already obvious though, won't be going to them. Instead, I'll just share my own experience, the driving feel and the differences between the cars that can't actually be explained by pictures. Some practical observations you can say. When the 8th gen was launched, it was a big upgrade and enhancement in almost every single aspect than the old 7th gen. The looks, size, engine, transmission, interior, exterior, everything seemed like a NEW civic altogether. Nothing resembled like the old one. Even an uneducated person could tell the difference and praised it as a LOT better. Though, this isn't the case when it comes to 9th gen civic. People haven't been praising it, over 95% of the people are actually preferring 8th gen over 9th gen. But I must say, for a person who has been used to 8th gen in terms of daily driven vehicles, its a really significant upgrade. My observation is based on a comparison vs Oriel manual 8th gen and Oriel Prosmatec 9th gen; somewhat an "odd" couple of trims as people may say, but to me, it feels quite ok if one has to judge the drive, ride quality and significant improvements over the time. I have tried to cover almost everything, wasn't easy to distribute the information under different headings, but still I did try, I hope its not as difficult to understand as I think. Ride Quality/Drive experience: The ride quality, driving experience, the stability etc is very much different than the 8th generation. The suspension is quite a lot softer, the ride feeling is leaned towards the family sedan concept rather than the sportiness, the characteristic honda civic drive. I drove it on motorway, at speeds exceeding 170-180kph, on stock eurostars, the stability was impressive. Comparing it to the 8th gen's factor, its stability I don't consider questionable owing to the factor of a hard suspension system. Its more like a sweet combination of sport and comfort. At crusing speeds of 100-120kph, the car feels as smooth as it could ever be. No uncomfortable feelings at all even on the roads having worst cover of tar and potholes. 8th gen civic felt uncomfortable to me at those roads, esp in my hometown area, @ahmadbila knows what I am talking about. Also, I am used to travelling in the 8th gen since quite a while now, and I always feel tired after a journey of 3-4 hours. The roads aren't driver friendly here. But kust as I felt fresh after the same drive in a friends altis, it was a refreshing experience on the 9th gen as well. Probably cz of the excitement (lol) but I think the suspension is a great improvement, an overhaul. Engine/Power-train: Coming to the engine, as we all know, the engine hasn't been changed over the generation. Its the same 1799cc R18a iVTEC motor. Therefore the power remains almost the same. Power/weight ratio isn't much different either. However, the prosmatec 9th gen I drove gave me a very clear and obvious idea of one good change over the time, and thats the reduced transmission lags. I dont really know the technical values, its just a clear observation off my experience with both. Gear ratios are essentially the same, in both manual and prosmatec, nothing is changed as such. But the feel when you floor a 9th gen civic is totally different. Its much MORE responsive at low rpms, the ivtec function disengages more swiftly and delivers power in lesser time than the 8th gen, i.e, if you need to escape a situation or you need to take panga (), just floor it and you won't notice it crossing the speeds of 130-140kph, simply effortless. I experienced a few friendly runs with 8th gen oriel manual and 9th gen oriel prosmatec, I must say, unless there is a very experienced swift shifter behind the 8th gen's wheel, the 9th gen keeps the run neck to neck at almost all speeds, at least thats what I saw upto 160kph on a normal road, not motorway. Fuel economy: The most important part, fuel economy. Its obvious, 9th gen's comparison vs the 8th gen in terms of that isn't quite justified. Despite being a prosmatec, the 9th gen delivered a lot better mileage figures than the 8th gen. The part that I loved the most was the fact that 9th gen's mileage figures actually vary with driving styles. With the 8th gen, varying driving styles wasn't much of a technique to improve the mileage. The motor has been tweaked such has to behave like a gas guzzler at speeds and high rpms (bombastic driving in short) and to serve as an economy vehicle with smooth, balanced driving. If the 8th gen was driven anything above 120, the mileage figurs would always be around 11-13kpl, nothing more than that. but if the 9th gen is driven, lets say at a constant speed of 120kph, its possible to acheive more than 15-16kpl on a prosmatec transmission without much hassle of hypermiling. Econ is a very nice feature, its one of the big highlights serving as a reason for the 8th-9th upgrade. Braking: Braking, in the 8th gen civic era, it was probably the best stock braking system that was equipped in the car. Nothing braked like an 8th gen civic. For the 9th gen, the braking is very well up to the mark even with crap eurostars. I had a few close encounters in one of the most pathetic driving conditions in Pakistan and the braking served very well. One thing I did notice was the sound of ABS kicking in. The 8th gen civic sound could be heard like a significant "grr grr grr" but in he 9th gen, its HARDLY even noticeable as a noise. A regular driver would need a lot of keen observation to notice the system coming into play. Cabin Noise: Cabin noise, this is the thing I loved a lot about the 9th gen. The engine revving above 4k rpms on a highway is a lot quiter than the 8th gen. Loved it. When pushed above 170 kph, there was only a slight sound of vroom inside the cabin and the song that played from the stock audio was still enjoyable. Road Clearance: The road clearance of the 9th gen is to die for, esp after one has experienced an 8th gen as a family sedan. I drove it with 5 people, it felt totally perfect, didn't bother touching any of the normally designed speed breakers. For the oddly placed ones, like designed by sheeda mochi in front of his shop etc, its a different case though. Visibility; Day/Night: The visibilty has been improved a lot. The corners, pillar blind spots etc have minimized significantly, thanks to the bigger pillar glasses. The car feels a bit compact than the 8th gen when driving through dense traffic, more like a honda city. For the night, well I must say that projector lamps serve a lot in nght driving, headlight visibilty range is better than normal parabolic lamps. The cut off is sharp, even when used with HIDs, functions excellent. The interior: Yes writing specially about this thing, the interior is a lot classier than the 8th gen civic. Feels a bit too cozy though, but its the way its styled to be. Doesn't feel odd at all. After being in a 9th gen, almost every other PKDM car of this class feels primitive. I like it. <3 A few things which I missed and disliked: The only thing I missed A LOT in the 9th gen was the organ type accelerator pedal. It was very comfortable feature, you could rest your foot on it for prolonged periods of time without feeling itchy and tucky. The 9th gen gas pedal is once again downgraded to a simple one The dual tip exhaust is also something to be missed. The rear reading lights are also gone. Below the climate control buttons, in front of the shift lever, there is around 3 or four square inches of blank space, looked very odd to me. Looks (a side note): The only thing that has been criticised a lot about this car is its looks. Esp the exterior. The lifted rear end which resembles the pre-facelift 5th generation honda city. Well, for that I must say, it isn't much of an excuse. After what you're getting in that price tag, looks is the last thing which matters. Especially in Pakistan, where you have ONLY two cars: civic vs altis. And its something which is gonna fit in your eyes after all. Apni har cheez hoobsoorat lagti hai bhai. I remember a brother syaing k "6 saal poraani shape se bore nahi huay?" and there was one who said "gari dekhni to doosron ne hoti hai, aapko konsi dikh rahi hoti hai when driving?" Conclusion: The 9th gen is an improved vehicle in almost every aspect that matters over its predecessor. Fuel economy, suspension, comfort, features etc; I can't actually think of any reason of NOT upgrading if budget isn't an issue. I recommend go for it if you have the $$$ and want a change. Its well worth its price tag and will be keeping you happy. |
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Nov 8 2013, 07:07 PM
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Looking forward for coming all new altis 2014. My plan on civic 2.0 postponed. Haha
1.8E - 115k 2.0G - 125k 2.0V - 137k For Navi add 1.8k. Ermmm...2.0G....delicious. This post has been edited by viking kong: Nov 8 2013, 07:09 PM |
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QUOTE(M3White @ Nov 8 2013, 08:59 PM) Hi Viking Kong, Aft quite sometimes silent, no sound no pic. As I informed u previously. All New Altis is excellent & Superb, Now u only realised. When you informed me?  Anyhow, it is not too late All New Altis ll be lauched soon, expected Jan 2014 bcoz current Altis clearance with off RM12K (dealer & Toyota) I wish to make correction from your info Current Altis price 1.8E RM115K off 12k = RM103K 1.8G RM125K off 12k = RM113K 2.0V RM132K off 12k = RM121K For All New Altis, the price unconfirm yet, bcoz Gov ll announce new NAP (National Automobile Plan). Assuming no ammendment in NAP, the All New Altis ll be 1.8E RM118K 1.8G RM128K 2.0V RM135K There is no such of 2.0G, unless u buy 1.8G & change the sticker to 2.0 & remain G at the back Aiyo bro..... New altis 2014 no more 1.8G lor unless u buy 2.0G then u stick 1.8 sticker. No need to make correction on my price info ya  Jangan Marah Tak marah pun |
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Nov 9 2013, 12:56 PM
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M3White is not Toyota SA lor. Just someone that try to cheerful himself because he bought civic 2.0 gen8 after gen9 launched. hehe
He try to push everyone not to buy civic gen9 and simply condemn gen 9 with the ugly look and sohc. To me, gen 9 is more better than gen 8. Soon, gen 10 is better than gen 9. My opinion, civic gen9 US facelift exterior/interior much better than asean/our gen9 version. I do hope that US facelift will come next year. Brand T vs H - I like Honda more. But when I do compare Altis 2014 with Civic gen9 US facelift.. ermmm...  |
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I'm very very disappointed with new altis 2014 m'sia spec. I got a leaked spec from umw toyota..hehe
1.8E 115k Empty car. Not interested. 2.0G 125k compare to civic 2.0 132k - Fabric seat - Manual adjust seat - Halogen projector lamp - 16" rim - No smart entry - No push start button - No VSC - No Traction Control - Air bag 2 only - No auto cruise - No paddle shift Advantage over civic 2.0 - 7" touch screen dvd + reverse camera. (want Navi add 1.8k) - Bluetooth handsfree button - Toyota Tint Film - CVT 7-speed - Space - bigger than civic Looking forward for Civic 2.0..  2.0V 137k Spec good but expensive meh -Leather Seat -8-way power seat - LED projector with daytime running light - Auto cruise , paddle shift - Smart entry , push start button - Illuminated entry system - Auto electro chromic mirror (inside) - VSC, TRC - CVT 7-speed This post has been edited by viking kong: Nov 9 2013, 08:57 PM |
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Nov 10 2013, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE(M3White @ Nov 10 2013, 12:39 AM) Unitron, BORINGGG....HUUARGGGGGG. NITE M3WHITEWe both speak the same language of fact. We stick to our strong principle We LIKE K20 (R type) We agreed DOHC better then SOCH Yup.. I also agree, Saga FLX DOHC better then Civic SOHC.  our friend Viking Kong, sekejap like Gen 9, sekejap jatuh cinta sama itu All New Altis Sekejap kecewa sama itu 2.0G (naked spec carry 2.0cc engine) Better buy 1998 Civic & change 2.0 accord 2nd hand engine...... cheap ma.... Bro, I'm in luv with new altis bcos of it looks, space and spec for worldwide. Then, I just receive confirmed m'sia spec. Actually bro Viking Kong, all those info that u is not surprise to us like wikileak info P&C info leak by Toyota Marketing Team but being announce openly by Paultan on Nov 4th, 2013, see the evident.... http://paultan.org/2013/11/04/2014-toyota-...ated-pricelist/ Can easilly get from Mazda 3 forum https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2551857/+1120 Bro, if not surprise, how come you put wrong price and also laugh at me about 2.0G?..hehe... Please dont simply use 'US', no body with u.  I advise u to read carefully after this k.I never said my info on the price is like wikileak or P&C as my attached price already got paultan name inside ler... I just said, I got a leaked m'sia spec for 1.8E, 2.0G & 2.0V. Currently, Paul Tan oso dont have ok. Bro Viking Kong If happened u visited Mazda 3 forum, u ll change your mind & say.... I love Skyactiv, can't wait for that chicken, it is delicious....... eggs are ready I still remember your sweet word on Civic Gen 9 aft that u posted this Looking forward for coming all new altis 2014. My plan on civic 2.0 postponed. Haha 1.8E - 115k 2.0G - 125k 2.0V - 137k For Navi add 1.8k. Ermmm...2.0G....delicious (Viking Kong) No worry bro Viking Kong, We live in a free country & we are free to fall in love in any brand of car but don't expect too much from T & H, bcoz culturally the poer of Brand, no matter what design & what price tag they put, people still buy...... If Juara (Proton Juara) launched by T & H, people will WOW!!! & buy.... bcoz it's Mini Alphard Bro Viking Kong, jangan mrah2 lah, just a forum chat2 only ma...... sometime opinion might be diffrence. If u buy Gen 9, don;t forget to let us to know la.... it is beautiful with better SOCH engine Gen 8 is outdated, launch since 2005-2009 (FD1) & 2009-2012 (FD2) Gen 9 (FB) Oct 2012-Oct 2013 (1 year) & Thailand already simpan that model bcoz........ May be demand so good & to make in LIMITED EDITION like "M Concept Gen 8) they should stop production & let FB2 to launch, U should buy now before disscontinue. |
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QUOTE(M3White @ Nov 10 2013, 12:41 AM) Bro Viking Kong, Yes.. after I look at m'sia spec for new Altis 2.0G.. My plan on civic 2.0 STILL REMAIN UNCHANGED & NO postponed. Correction.... Looking forward TO KICK coming all new altis 2014. My plan on civic 2.0 STILL REMAIN UNCHANGE & NO postponed. Haha |
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Nov 10 2013, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 10 2013, 06:39 AM) Not official until the car launches, all these leaks... Usually they still have time to tweak the spec before the car officially launches. I think it consider official bro bcoz i have a softcopy on that document from umw toyota. The paper stated, DO NOT DISTRIBUTE OR MAKE COPY. That y i dont attach here. I takut kena saman. Hehe |
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Nov 10 2013, 11:35 AM
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Info from T SA, if you booked now, u can get the car on Jan -manufacture 2013. Manfcture 2014 end of march.
Got possibility Altis launch this year oso. |
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Seriously, ur long statement is appreciated but unlucky, no useful info.
Pls put ur civic 2.0 fd picture here. I want to hv a look ur so call beautiful and powerful dohc machine aka type r. Maybe i'll change my mind..pleaseee :-) |
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