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 Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Final - 26 Feb 11.55pm

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post Feb 8 2012, 09:38 PM

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RIP Jessie Paisley, wife of the late Bob Paisley. Gone but not forgotten, and now reunited in heaven. YNWA

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post Feb 8 2012, 09:59 PM

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Nice one. Although YNWA is our anthem, "Fields of Anfield Road", holds a lot of meaning and is equally important. Now that King Kenny is back, it's sung every game numerous times.

This was posted before but it's like a walk down memory lane and I think it deserves another look. Note Phil Thompson, King Kenny, Brucie and Aldo.



Here's one of the Kop in full voice.



Try to learn it lads.

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Seems Aldo shares my sentiments and Rooney's claim that Suarez should have been banned for accidentally kicking Parker. Hypocrite.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...00252-30287185/?
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post Feb 9 2012, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Feb 9 2012, 03:58 AM)
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...manager?cc=4716

Capello quits england team.It's not like england is gonna win anything anyway.More important issue is who's the next manager.
I am hoping it's tax evading harry redknapp.Hope he leaves and spurs start to implode rclxms.gif
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It's happened in the past but I doubt managers have the time for it these days. I remember a time when a manager could manage both club and country. After all how much does an international manager have to do? It isn't like he has the team available to him every week. They only come together when there is a match or tournament coming up. Anyway, I reckon Redknapp is the best candidate. The fact he's English surely must have the FA beaming with pride. I know it was with great reluctance that they appointment Sven Goran Eriksson as their first foreign manager.
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post Feb 9 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 9 2012, 08:59 AM)
A little too convenient, don't you think?

Capello picks a captain in JT, who gets stripped off captaincy.
Now Capello "resigns".
And on the same day, Harry Redknapp is cleared of tax evasion charges!

Anyways, Kenny Dalglish stood behind Suarez during his racism case and the whole Liverpool FC and Kenny were branded racists.

Capello, assuming he complained about captaincy stripped of JT and resigns because he supports JT. Shouldn't he get some criticism as well?
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The FA and the English media will never paint anything English in a negative light, I think this has been established.

On the issue of us being branded as racists, it's a case of villifying your rivals, nothing more. It certainly isn't based on hard evidence so what else can it be? I've always been told to be careful when pointing a finger at someone because when you do, there are 3 pointing right back at you. Certain players have been accused of rape and adultery and some were proven cases backed by hard facts. So should I brand anyone who was supportive of these players as being rapists and adultresses? It'd childish really,

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 9 2012, 09:01 AM)
Nowadays teams come to Anfield to gain a point, cept maybe for Citeh and Mancs. Even then, they they thread
cautiously.

Possession does not equate a win. Ask the Mancs. In fact, if i am not mistaken our wins came from teams
who come at us, thus freeing more space for attcks. This probably conincide with more wins AWAY from home where the home team takes up the initiative. When we had to take the initiative, thats where we fall short, against the likes of Norwich, Wigan, Blackburn.


Absolutely which I said you need to look at all the numbers and not view them in isolation. Having more shots on goal, possession and corners may will not guarantee a win but it certainly is a big step up from being dominated in our own back yard.

It's been a problem for awhile now, playin well against big sides who come at us and poorly against sides who get homesick leaving their own half. However I don't necessarily think it's because of the same issues. In the past, we failed to create chances when facing a concrete wall in the final third. We would dominate possession but would look totally clueless when the opposition scrambled into theif foxholes and trenches. Often, we'd pass the ball laterally with it eventually finding it's way back to our playmaker, Pepe Reina. This season however, we've created the chances but have been foiled by either poor finishing, the goalpost or keepers on crack.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 9 2012, 09:01 AM)
IMO the problems are these

a) We do not have prolific goal scorers


Here's the thing though, I thought we had signed a prolific goalscorer in Suarez. Granted, I've never seen much of him prior to him donning our colours but his goals tally speaks for itself. For some reason, his convertion ratio is worse than Andy Carroll's. I think the problem with him is that he tries to be too elaborate. He creates something out of nothing and then tries to go for the extraordinary. We could do with a goal poacher who gets into good positions and scores simple goals.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 9 2012, 09:01 AM)
b) Our midfielders do not know how to shoot! i am serious. Which midfielder ex Stevie has a good shot?


I can't think of too many midfielders in the league who are prolific goalscorers so I don't think it's a problem unique to us. Looking at this year's leading goalscorers table, there are only 3 midfielders in the top 20, them being Gareth Bale, Clint Dempsey and Frank Lampard. That being said I must conceed that both Downing and Adam have been wayward at best. Henderson hasn't hit too many from over 20 yards but I do remember him being foiled on a couple of occasions by good goalkeeping. The effort against De Gea early in the season comes to mind. Also remember him hitting the post once.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 9 2012, 09:01 AM)
c) Our midfielders are naturally not goal getters ex for Maxi. If i am not mistaken Skrtel has same no. goals
this season as Adam(incl penos) and more than Hendo!


Same as the above.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 9 2012, 09:01 AM)
d) Our midfielders are hustle and bustle type.....no GUILE  aka Beardsley, Molby, Kennedy
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Beardsley was more of a forward IMO. Probably one of the earlier versions of a supporting striker. Molby wasn't a hard worker per se which explains why he wasn't the fittest looking bloke around. When I think hustle and bustle, the likes of McMahon, Tommy Smith and Souness come to mind. Thing is I do think the likes of Henderson and Downing have some guile. The former is coming along really well if you ask me whilst the latter may never realise the potential many seem to have seen him him.

I'd like to have a Benayoun in the side. He seems to see things others don't. If he continues to progress at this rate, I reckon we'll see good things from Henderson.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 9 2012, 11:47 AM)
wow, theSun has been banging KD n Suarez for 2 days now. They critized KD for saying Suarez shoudnt have been banned and Suarez for his lack of finishing ad should go to 'finishing school'
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Are you surprised given the source you quoted?
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It's subjective but I really think Carroll has been playing well lately, especially against Spurs. He certainly looks fitter and more active that he did earlier in the season. Against Spurs he won almost everything in the air against Dawson and King, both full fledged England internationals and certainly no mugs. He also tracked back to win the ball in midfield. I believe in giving credit when it's due even if it's your biggest enemy. There are a number of ratings assigned to players online and most would agree the Carroll was one of our best players against Tottenham. Not so with Spearing though.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056332...pl-draw/page/12
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QUOTE(LucasPSS @ Feb 10 2012, 01:26 AM)
dafuq? howard webb nvr award any penalty to any other teams throughout his career?
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Don't be so gullible. It's an exaggeration. Anyway, I believe Howard Webb comes second to Mike Dean for awarding penalties to the mancs.


Added on February 10, 2012, 7:50 amSad to hear that Tommy Smith is selling his medals. If you read his autobiography entitled, "The Anfield Iron", as he was affectionately known for his robust, no-nonsense approach to the game, he's red through and through. He's played under both Shankley and Paisley.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 10 2012, 09:10 AM)
The realities of life do bite, no?  sad.gif
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Well he did say it isn't because he needed the dough but I can't think of any other reason he'd do this. The sad reality is that many footballers of yesteryears either didn't earn all that much or didn't invest their money wisely unlike one Robbie Fowler who has properties everywhere. I mean Neill Webb ended up being a milkman.
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 11 2012, 09:46 AM)
Football has changed alot now. I think it's more demanding than it was before.

Even James Milner and Cesc Fabregas made their debuts at 16.

But to be honest, I remember I read that Morgan and Suso (not sure about Sterling and others) were given a chance to play with the reserves and they didn't do well enough which means they are not ready.

Anyways, does anyone think it's ridiculous if I were to pay more than 150 pounds for the Carling Cup Final tickets? lol
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It's a huge step up in terms if quality to play for the first team. Some years back our most promising player was Daniel Ayala but when thrust into the first team, he looked distinctly average thus whatever you see on YouTube is misleading.

I would pay that much for a ticket. It's the Travelling expenses which I'm worries about. Anyway, I'm saving up to go with my mate at the end of this year. Gotta wait for next season's schedule to be out first.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 11 2012, 10:38 AM)
I actually felt Ayala was a decent back up player at first. Didn't do too much wrong if I'm honest.

One player I'm actually quite disappointed in is Danny Wilson. I want him to do well and he came here with alot of reputation back in Rangers but he just can't get a game here and I remember watching him in the Europa League and one of the Premier League games and he really looked like he just couldn't handle it. I don't even know whether saying "he's only 19/20" will actually help his case because Robbo and Flanno are younger than him! But by the looks of it, he's well behind Coates now and probably even Kelly would get the nod at CB ahead of him!

Well, considering I just need to pay a train ticket to London and hopefully be able to crash at a mate's place there, it sounds like a good price but it will hurt to see more than 150 pounds go out of the bank when the tickets for the final are actually priced at 40, 56, 72 and 90.
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Argh I got it wrong. It was Daniel Ayala, nephew to the legendary Roberto. That's the thing though, our best player from the academy was a decent squad player so it really is a stretch to suggest the likes of Sterling, Suso, Morgan and whoever else will make an instant impact in the first team. I know people have criticized Amoo but I see promise in him. He's got it all athletically speaking. He's tall, quick and has good feet.

Train ticket to London?


Added on February 11, 2012, 2:48 pm
QUOTE(wts6819 @ Feb 11 2012, 02:46 PM)
Can't watch cause need to fetch friend at airport.  cry.gif
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Ffs I'm assuming your mate is an adult now. Get him to take a cab man. It's the biggest game in the Premiership calendar.


Added on February 11, 2012, 2:54 pmA good read on Luis Suarez.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...er-6710391.html?

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I'd ignore the fans column in the papers if I were you. Stick to threads where we can at least have intelligent discussions. Far as I'm concerned, the SMS column is for ranting and name calling. Very little substance at all. I've always maintained that you only talk about others when youve run out of stuff to talk about yourselves. Reality bites. Lucky we've a lot to read up on and talk about.

As for the analyst columns, they're only featured because of who they are, not because they're top notch pundits. They're opinions are as insightful as some on this forum.

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I reckon Spearing will feature and if he does, he has a big role to play. He's always up for derbies though being a local lad. His best game I can remember to date is last season's derby against Everton. Hope he's up for this derby as well.


Added on February 11, 2012, 4:29 pm
QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 11 2012, 04:25 PM)
Heading to Red Carpet later, joining the guys from MyRAWK there. Anyone here going?
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Nah can't stand being surrounded by mancs. Will be in BSC. Say hi to Patricia K for me though. She's hot and she's a red! Too bad for her Joey G supports QPR.

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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 11 2012, 04:43 PM)
BSC, cool! Do check out the MyKL exhibition also. Im the person responsible designing the event biggrin.gif
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Will do. Take some pictures of the event tonight if you can.
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 12 2012, 04:01 AM)
Hahaha wanker Ferguson. He said Suarez is a disgrace to Liverpool FC and should never be allowed to play because he didn't shake Evra's hand.

Then I guess Roy Keane ending Haaland's career and Cantona Kung Fu kicking a fan is okay.
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Selective memory. Roy Keane was hailed as a legend despite that heinous act, something he isn't still apologetic for. Fergie has also claimed that other players dive despite having previously defended one Christiano Ronaldo, even going as far as to ask for more protection. Didn't see him criticizing either player in the press.

I'll summarise my thoughts about yesterday's game.

Suarez
Has obviously not gotten over his tiff with Evra and I can empathize. Despite being best mates with a black teammate in Holland and have a black grandfather, he has now been labelled a racist based in he says, she says. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be less than pleased. He's done the time after being judged to have issued unreliable statements despite Evra's inconsistent claim as to the number of times Suarez reportedly called him names. Now, if Suarez were to have shook his hand, it wouldn't have been sincere, that's for sure. His whole life has been turned upside down by the incident. His family is affected as well. I can just imagine his kids being teased for having a "racist" dad in school for example.

Anyway, what would I have done? I'd probably have shook hands not as an admittance of guilt, but rather, just to put an end to this whole PR disaster. This issue has been dragged on for too long and it says something that their spat took such prominence and overshadowed the match itself. A shake of hands would have out this issue to rest. I understand it's a matter of principle that Suarez didn't want to hold hands but it was a PR disaster. He doesn't have to like Evra, or even talk to him. All he had to do was to put a full stop to this feud and be a bigger man.

As for as getting one over the other, both have managed to savor victories over the other on the pitch. Suarez was ecstatic when we knocked the mancs out of the FA Cup, leaving rivals fans to chide us for celebrating as if we had won the cup. Well, did you lot now do the same yesterday? Evra's celebration wasn't exactly mild was it?

The Game
I think it was a fair result. It was always going to be an uphill task and it would have required a Herculean effort on our behalf. We've lost 7 out of our last 8 games there and the mancs average almost 3 goals a game at home. Spearing made an error and we were ultimately punished. Having said that we were pegged back for much of the match so I've no complaints that we lost really. Let's be objective about it and take it like men. If we swapped jerseys, we'd be saying we deserved to win.

Mancs are understandably overjoyed especially having lost to us just recently. We'd feel the same way. We've now put one over the other in close succession but which win mattered more? in all honesty, they all matter but let me put some perspective on the situation as a whole. This defeat puts a dent in our aspirations for a top 4 finish but we aren't exactly title contenders and a top four finish is still within our grasp. Bragging rights to Old Trafford since their win was most recent but the race for the title is far from over. On the other hand, we knocked them out of a cup competition effectively ending their participation in that tournament. Looking at the bigger picture, I would have loved nothing more than to have taken all 3 points but I can live with this defeat. It will suck however seek the number of mancs proudly wearing their kits today unlike a couple of weeks ago, where I spotted a grand total of zero kits walking about 1 Utama and TC Mall after knocking them out. You guys always talk about us being different and special. Well here's when you can walk the talk. Fly our colors today and hold your head up high.


Added on February 12, 2012, 8:56 amTo be honest I'm getting sick and tired of this whole racism episode. This act has not helped, and people are wondering why Suarez is pissed?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...Klan-image.html

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Feb 12 2012, 08:59 AM)
U r An even sadder human being. And sorry but this time we won. And when i see liverfail so low down the table, i just wonder when they will ever win another another trophy. Pity u livfail supporters.dont worry , not too late to join us  laugh.gif

Please take your lovers spat somewhere else. Since you're so creative with names, why not try to be as creative with your arguments?
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Feb 12 2012, 09:12 AM)
Suarez is a disgrace to the English game.Racially abuse Evra and still d ont want to accept a handshake.Blardy useless fella.Dont know why KD still can tolerate his rubbish. Serves him right on his 8 match ban.But i reckon he should have been banned from playing in UK.We dont need these racist people in the game.
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Prove he's racist please. Did you read the 150 page report? Did you read about Suarez's past? Nope, didn't think so.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Feb 12 2012, 09:30 AM)
Lol,cant even differentiate RACISM from AGGRESSION.

Aggresion might be in the game due to high tensions between the team and not only ROONEY and cantona showed their temper.SO many other players lost their temper and did something stupid like slapping the other player.This is human nature.Every human has a certain level of hot headedness in them.Can u say the same thing about RACISM? Sorry i dont think so.

People who are racist are the lowest life scums of the universe.SO learn how to differentiate between the both of them b4 u come and post here!.
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Aggression? So if I were to kick you in the nuts, it's fine? The FA has clearly reiterated its stand not only against racism, but ALSO violence but you wouldn't know that since you dont read.

You have yet to prove he's racist. Prove you have half some semblance of intelligence and put forth and argument. Not reading doesn't help does it?
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Feb 12 2012, 09:32 AM)
LOL...yeah EVRA refuse to shake hand with SUarez and then Evra goes to grab Suarez arm to shake with him? Pls think first b4 u post  doh.gif
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Well Einstein, consider this. Neither player likes the other. You walk up to your 'enemy' with your hand extended and see him drop his. What do you do? Stop, and kiss him a kiss on the cheek? I would actually provide more insight if I thought you were smarter than a doorstop.
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The question we've been posed is this. If Evra had no intention of shaking hands, why would he have pulled Suarez's arm? Makes sense no? Yes it does. In fact, It makes just as much sense as when we posed this question. If Suarez had intended to be racist, why admit to saying a word he thinks has severe racial repercussions when nobody else heard it?

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