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 Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Final - 26 Feb 11.55pm

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post Feb 2 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(imin @ Feb 2 2012, 04:05 PM)
just asking, why do some of u call chelsea fan as plastic?
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I believe this term rose to prominence after we played them in the Champions League semi-finals back in 2005. When we visited Stamford Bridge, they had to give away plastic flags to their fans for free. Our fans on the other hand are known to make our own banners (we practice this even here in Malaysia e.g. Masters Football in Std Putra & Friendly game in Bukit Jalil proper.

The fact that they copied a Torres banner of ours after he had signed for them didn't help their cause as they failed to notice that the bottom of the visual was that of the Shankly Gates.

The general impression is therefore that a large majority of their fans are casual fans.

I've met some serious ones in Malaysia though like Aaron from the Chelsea thread.

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post Feb 3 2012, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(rickk @ Feb 2 2012, 09:56 PM)
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That's sad, really sad. He is my favorite player ALL THE TIME man!  sad.gif
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That is high praise indeed. He's improved in leaps and bounds no doubt but he hasn't even peaked yet. In terms of favorite player, he's still got some ways to go. Just off the top of my head, I rate the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Barnes, Rush, Dalglish, Beardsley, Hamann, Hyypia, Fowler, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Berger and Babbel over him in terms of being my favorite player. Lucas may work his way up that list eventually but it will take some doing.

QUOTE(leftist @ Feb 2 2012, 11:07 PM)
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Agger always had the talent. Injuries were/is (hopefully the former) his biggest enemy. Skrtel is surely one of the most improved players and it isn't purely coincidental that his best form coincided with the return of Agger to the side. Carra and Skrtel are too similar. Neither is particularly good on the ball and neither can turn quickly. Agger on the other hand, can dribble as well as any centre back can, and he is a mixture of strength and pace. It's been awhile since we had the best defensive record in the league. Not since the partnership of Hyypia and Henchoz/Carra have we seen a defensive pairing so formidable. Whilst the former pairings were shielded by one Didi Hamann, our newly formed pairing has had little protection since the injury to Lucas with no disrespect to Spearing who quite simply isn't yet in the mould of the Kaiser. We also played a really deep defensive line under Houllier meaning the back four got a lot of protection. We've been playing a higher line under Dalglish, meaning our back four is more exposed. Makes it even more impressive that we have just a good defensive record.


Added on February 3, 2012, 9:59 am
QUOTE(normeck @ Feb 3 2012, 09:34 AM)
i reserve my comment on spearing, i think i want see more from him. Kelly will be a good start cause what he did to Giggs and Evra last match. At the front i would like we start andy caroll. its more defensive/counter attack approach if we play away against top team.


Added on February 3, 2012, 9:55 amlol, we play at home.
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I definitely want to see more of Kelly. I can't remember his ever having a bad game. He was played a lot last season as Johnson was shifted to the left and I don't think he ever made a mistake. Says a lot that England's starting right back was shifted to the other side of the pitch to accommodate Kelly.

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You don't like Spearing because he's ugly? I hate to think what you think of Kuyt and Skrtel then.
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post Feb 3 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(lembukereta @ Feb 3 2012, 10:18 AM)
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i manage to catch Kelly mistake bad pass in Manc match...  tongue.gif
But i like the style he mark Giggs on previous match. Keep stick with giggs and follow giggs only... Its awesome superb defend!!  rclxms.gif
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You are right! I wanted to mention that but I forgot which team it was against. Ok la, he's been almost perfect.
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post Feb 4 2012, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Feb 4 2012, 01:02 AM)
You really pity someone who can masquerade as a Reds fan and pledge allegiance to the scum...it's like tranvestite, minus the balls or a yin yang man/woman with both genitals...One can understand if you support 2 clubs in the EPL, I admit to that with both hands up...while i support liverpool, I do have a soft spot for Crystal Palace...remembering Ian Wright and Mark Bright in action...and my fav keeper - Nigel Martyn...but both Reds at the same time!!?? Gimme a break...really tell you how low can worms go down to. Worms aside

The match against Spurs will be the match to bring them down to earth, as i think they over, over achieve this season,,,Camon Reds, establish your credential this!! Part of this vendetta is because i dont rate Harry Redknapp, as much as i adores Jamie, but this fella is nothing but buy buy buy.....he buy his way out in all the clubs he manage...how we play Kuyt, as he is vital to keep Bale in-check together with Johno/Kelly either one....would prefer to former, for pace reason.

Carroll need to play, can see he is getting into stride now....given a longer run, we'll really see what he can do...hopefully downing and enrique to bombard the left wing...anticipate an open, free flowing footbal
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It's fine to have a soft spot for other teams. About 5 years back, there was a poll comducted in England to identify who fans supported as a second club and Liverpool emerged second behind West Ham. Then again this wasn't an official poll. Point is many fans have second clubs who they follow or have a soft spot for. The clubs I've followed since I started supporting Liverpool are West Ham, Newcastle and Spurs.
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QUOTE(xMika @ Feb 4 2012, 02:19 AM)
I have a soft spot for Newcastle Utd (few years back la during Alan Shearer era) and I used to not watch games between Newcastle and Liverpool haha .. now stupid tongue.gif ... and now they're catching up !!
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Rugi dude. The "Kings of the Castle" series was epic as we beat them 4-3 twice. The win over them in 1996 is still touted as the best Premier League game ever.

Here's something of interest to note. We haven't won as much silverware as our rivals in recent years but we've been involved in some of the best games to date. Aside from the Premier League, the 5-4 UEFA Cup win over Alaves is thought by many to be the most exhilarating final ever. How many times have you seen a final churn out 9 goals from open play?

Here's a letter from an Alaves fans 10 years after we played that final.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/576666-...-uefa-cup-final

Need I even mention Istanbul? It's listed amongst the top 10 sporting comebacks of all time on many sites. Notice I said "sporting" comebacks and not just "football" comebacks. Also, I doubt you'll ever see the kind of support our lads received when you're losing. The half-time rendition of YNWA was Spine chilling.

I urge you all to read this.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_IT-IS-MORE-T...429/173471.html

Best fans? If Istanbul is anything to go by, then yes, you won't find a more loyal or passionate bunch of supporters and there's proof. You won't find another occasion in which so much attention was paid on the fans.

QUOTE(bitebug @ Feb 4 2012, 02:45 AM)
Liverpool and Arsenal...  biggrin.gif
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It always confuses me when I see a car decked in both Liverpool and Man Utd colors. I've seen it about 3 times.


Added on February 4, 2012, 9:17 amThe media has been giving the issue of racism a lot of attention focusing on us in particular. Well wonder what they'll make of this then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16882078

So now all mancs are racist? The way they've generalized us, it would appear that it's only fair to assume to.

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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 4 2012, 08:41 PM)
Spurs is strongest in midfield, they will launch attack from that area, so using a tall and strong player will outshine them,
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blink.gif really?

Sorry but I really don't see any logic in that whatsoever.

I'm going for an attacking lineup with Suarez and Bellamy flanking Carroll who will lead the line. We'll most likely shape up like a 4-4-2 with Suarez and Carroll starting up top but expect Bellamy to tuck inside and join them up front when we push forward. That is if we start all 3 of course.
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England's top 3 right backs all starting.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 7 2012, 04:55 AM)
coz he didnt get the ball....but fumbled when he does
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Not sure which channel you're on because I think Carroll's been having a pretty good game.
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post Feb 7 2012, 05:07 AM

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Gerrard just tried to rocket the ball up King's bunghole.


Added on February 7, 2012, 5:08 am
QUOTE(maranello55 @ Feb 7 2012, 05:06 AM)
he just lost the ball being passed on him again just now.

no offense im just saying wut i see
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Not offended. It's just everyone has made an error or two. Not easy playing with your back to goal, having defenders clipping at your heels. He's bound to make more errors than players who face forward and are able to see players coming at them.

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post Feb 7 2012, 05:24 AM

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Ah my vision of seeing 3 pronged attack with Bellamy and Suarez flanking Carroll has been realised
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And my vision ends almost at the same time it was realized
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I find it amusing that mancs persists to want to have their opinions heard even when it has nothing to do with them.

Sore losers? Sorry, did we lose? What's wrong with bemoaning our inability to finish? At least we're admitting to something. Is admitting one's fault the hallmarks of a loser? If so, no wonder you mancs never lose even when you get beat.

Laughable that you lot have to go into the Chelsea thread to want them to admit the game was called fairly. The world does not revolve around you unfortunately. No one goes into your thread telling you that you should just suck it up and take a bad beat. I can understand Chelsea's frustration as Malouda did the same thing with Finnan years back to win an undeserved penalty.

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I won't be the least bit surprised if the blame rests on the shoulders of Carroll again especially since the scuffed a good opportunity to bag us all 3 points but consider this though. While focusing on one incident, you may be guilty of tunnel vision, ignoring the opportunities he did create. Did anyone notice how many times he knocked the ball into the path of Kuyt, Suarez, Bellamy or Gerrard? Like the rest of you I'd like him to score every game but we cannot ignore the fact that he's looked more positive in recent matches, challenging for and winning a fair share of them.

I've also read some comments about him failing to hold on to the ball. Consider this. As some of you have pointed out, he's often alone in the box with little support when the ball is played in. He also plays with his back to goal and has defenders clipping at his heels. He doesn't have the luxury of time to look about for open players. He can't see how many defenders are right behind him looking to win the ball of him. This form of awareness only comes with experience. He's an easy target for I noticed the likes of Adam, Suarez, Kelly and Kuyt miscontrolling it as well. Point is, Carroll wasn't alone and all in all, I thought he had a pretty decent game. Certainly not the worst performer on the pitch.

If you look at these ratings, there are those who agree.

http://www.goal.com/en/match/60445/liverpo.../player-ratings
http://www.skysports.com/football/user_rat...3472002,00.html
http://www.espnstar.com/editorial/news/det...Player-Ratings/

I therefore think that if you think Carroll was crap, you are perhaps guilty of tunnel vision.

Mancs are no doubt especially critical of our opinions after our comments on their "stonewall" penalty vs. Chelsea.
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A day late but I wasn't posting yesterday. Anyways, RIP to those who lost their lives in the Munich Air Disaster.
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One draw after 3 good wins and the knives are out again? Can't say I'm surprised given the short attention span these days. I expect to see improvement like anyone else but it should happen in stages. Teams used to come to Anfield looking for 3 points. Now it's a common sight to see teams being pegged back adopting a more defensive formation. Naturally, this makes it harder to score against them isn't it? This is a sign of improvement, that King Kenny has made us hard to beat. This season, we've only lost 5 matches so far in ALL competitions. If you only take domestic competitions into account, it puts us on par with both Manchester clubs. I don't for the life of me see how anyone can say we don't play attacking football at Anfield because we've been doing so the whole season! We've just not been converting our chances. Have you been watching our matches at all or are you just reading match reports? Even if you were, statistics will show that we've dominated our opposition at Anfield.

Look at these stats (shots on goal):

Liverpool vs Sunderland : 14-14
Liverpool vs Bolton : 20-10
Liverpool vs Wolves : 16-17 (we had more shots on target though and won the game)
Liverpool vs Man Utd : 15-11
Liverpool vs Norwich 29-12
Liverpool vs Swansea : 25-12
Liverpool vs QPR : 25-7
Liverpool vs Blackburn : 27-6
Liverpool vs Newcastle 16-4
Liverpool vs Stoke : 15-3
Liverpool vs Spurs 17-10

The above are home games in the league alone. I can't for the life of me understand how someone can say we need to be more adventurous even if you didn't watch any of the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story but they also don't lie. Consider also that we outplayed Man City over two legs and beat the mancs in the FA Cup.

Suarez certainly is the darling of the media isn't he? On his challenge with Scott Parker, let me just say this. Martin Tyler who has been watching and commentating longer than some posters have been alive saw no malice in it and neither do I. His eyes were on the ball and it isn't like he swing his leg like a sledgehammer. Let the media say what they want. Suarez is quite obviously under the microscope and every flinch will be interpreted in a negative fashion.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 8 2012, 09:09 AM)
Good post, Duke.

And from that 11 matches you posted, we drew 7 of them. You left out Man City at home, by the way and that was 17 shots to us, and 7 shots to them and as before, another game we drew!

I, myself, feel we've been performing generally well throughout the course of the season. I've said before that we're probably one of the best teams in the country UNTIL we get near the opposition box. If I'm not wrong, I think Pepe Reina has 10 clean sheets from 24 games? The fact that we've only conceded 21 goals (just about almost a goal a game) suggests that the defence is not much of the problem seeing we've only conceded more than 2 goals in 3 occassions in the league (Spurs, Bolton and City away).

One game that I really cannot forget is the second leg of the League Cup semi final against City (2-2). We had a massive 15 shots at goal with 12 being on target and only managed 2 goals, one being a spotk kick. That's so WTF?! City on the other hand, scored 2 goals from 4 on target (6 overall).

I also think we top the league of "number of times hitting the woodwork" with 18 or something and that's almost a woodwork a game as well. Imagine if half of those were scored and at least a quarter of chances created were converted.

We could easily be sitting 3rd now.

I've been saying that the goals will come since I don't know when but I have to admit it doesn't look like it has got any better.

We need a goalscorer and we need one fast. I can't believe we never really got anyone in, even on loan when goal scoring is our major problem.

We need a forward who can finish what others have created and whom can also create opportunites for himself.

For all the skills and trickery Luis has, he's very wasteful, IMO, and I see him more of a creator and catalyst, rather than an out and out forward/goalscorer himself.

And f*** off, Rooney with the comments that Suarez should be banned. He's probably shitting in his pants because he knows Suarez is going to Old Toilet this weekend and wants him suspended for that game.

Ferguson's Army have done too much damage to Liverpool already this season (Spearing's red card, Suarez's finger gesture (that's justified, though) and his pointless 8 games ban).
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Is right. I get the feeling that some only look at the bottom line i.e. win or lose. In the end, it does come down to the bottom line but I think it's unrealistic to see a 180 degree change and expect us to be title contenders immediately. Aside from the number of times we hit the post and the superheroes in goal, we have to consider the number of penalties we've failed to convert also.

Rooney certainly isn't the best candidate to comment is he? He got banned for 3 matches for intentionally kicking his opponent and I don't think he was in tears when he got his ban reduced. I've lost any respect I had for him after he kissed his friggin crest in front of the Everton supporters. If you read his comments in the media or even twitter, you note that he isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. Like I said earlier, Martin Tyler is older than 3 LYN posters put together and has seen everything in football from when elbows and tackles from behind were allowed. Certainly makes him more credible than a foul mouthed, disloyal punk.


Added on February 8, 2012, 9:23 am
QUOTE(radio_head @ Feb 8 2012, 09:17 AM)
When your striker is Andy Caroll...8.92% conversion rate, you should start secretly smiling already bro.
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You're here bright and early. Still smiling from the FA Cup win certainly. Then again it's only a small tournament you lot chose to pull out from some seasons back.

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QUOTE(xMika @ Feb 8 2012, 04:29 PM)
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Dude that picture is in black & white which leads me to believe it was taken in the 60's at least. A cat's lifespan is about 14 years. That would make this bloke his great-great-grandson.

Yea, I have some time on my hands today.
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 8 2012, 06:48 PM)
The team is creating enough chances in majority of the games but they are just not finishing it off. This goes against what most are saying about Liverpool not playing well. They are but they just aren't winning.

The statistics are indicative of one thing to me, progress. Shots on goal alone may not tell the whole story as some efforts are half chances, that I agree. However if you also take into account possession and corners, it will give you a better indication of how dominant a team was over another. I just couldn't be arsed to post all the stats. I'll post a few.

Liverpool vs Bolton
Possession : 60%-50%
Corners : 12-6

Liverpool vs Mancs
Possession : 56%-44%
Corners : 8-3

Liverpool vs Norwich
Possession : 55%-45%
Corners : 10-3

Liverpool vs Swansea
Possession : 52%-48%
Corners : 11-4

Liverpool vs Man City
Possession : 52%-48%
Corners : 8-5

Liverpool vs QPR
Possession : 62%-38%
Corners : 17-5

Liverpool vs Blackburn
Possession : 65%-35%
Corners : 9-2

Liverpool vs Newcastle
Possession 51%-49%
Corners : 7-0

Liverpool vs Stoke
Possession : 69%-31%
Corners : 11-1

I'll stop here because I think you all catch my drift. If you couple these stats with our shots on goal, I think it's clear we've dominated our opponents at Anfield. Sure we failed to convert but these stats show how well we've been playing, and is indicative of progress. Anyone remember how poorly we were playing prior to King Kenny's return? It wasn't that long ago. I've been a fan for 20 over years and I'm in no rush to win the title. I'm willing to be patient just so long as I see progress and I see a lot of it both on and off the pitch.
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No moral to be learnt, only points to be made.

1) we should keep faith in the new owners and management so long as there is progress and no one can deny we look a totally different team (in a non literal sense) than from just over a year ago. Progress happens in stages, not instantaneously, and not only on the field. We've dominated teams at Anfield, something we didnt do over a year ago = progress. We're still in both domestic cup competitions and have reached the final of one = progress. Massive sponsorship deals = progress. We aren't leaking goals anymore = progress.

2) fans should not expect us to be instant title contenders without have a warchest as big as City. Yes being in transition is something we seem to be habitually doing but for the first time, we've owners with vision. David Moores wasn't focused on expansion which probably explains how Rick Parry kept his Jon for as long as he did. Let's not even talk about Hicks and Gilette who did a whole lot of talking and not enough doing. John Henry has proven that he is quite the opposite.

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