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TSkeyven
post Jan 26 2012, 02:41 PM, updated 14y ago

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I am planning to have a decent sound setup in my new car.... can Sifu's advise me?

Budget for replacing stock speakers is around 1.2k... I have a 4ch and 2ch amp with BM woofer..


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post Jan 26 2012, 03:22 PM

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your "bridging ch 1 & ch 2" on the front component is using the passive crossover or just direct wired?
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post Jan 26 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 26 2012, 03:22 PM)
your "bridging ch 1 & ch 2" on the front component is using the passive crossover or just direct wired?
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Using a crossover smile.gif

If I need to add in a JBL MS-8, where I can insert it?

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post Jan 26 2012, 06:08 PM

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Why would u wan to bridge it? 2 channel bridged become one channel only la...


Added on January 26, 2012, 6:08 pmConnect jbl after ur head unit

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post Jan 26 2012, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Jan 26 2012, 06:08 PM)
Why would u wan to bridge it? 2 channel bridged become one channel only la...


Added on January 26, 2012, 6:08 pmConnect jbl after ur head unit
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Thanks bro...

could you please enlighten me on the connection with amps to speakers??

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post Jan 26 2012, 07:59 PM

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that is 4 ch bridged to 2 ch la bafukie.... biggrin.gif

the setup works... smile.gif

and the MS-8 is connected in between the HU and the Amps.
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post Jan 26 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 26 2012, 07:59 PM)
that is 4 ch bridged to 2 ch la bafukie.... biggrin.gif

the setup works... smile.gif

and the MS-8 is connected in between the HU and the Amps.
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MS-8 got 8 channel out hence the config can be this??

Ch 1 & 2 = FL / FR Tweeters
Ch 3 & 4 = FL / FR Door
Ch 5 & 6 = Sub
Ch 7 & 8 = RL / RR Door

Can pls comment or correct me if wrong? icon_question.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 08:29 AM

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Here is the modification adding JBL MS-8

Sifu's please review and advise... icon_question.gif

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post Jan 27 2012, 09:57 AM

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yes... korek... biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 27 2012, 09:57 AM)
yes... korek... biggrin.gif
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Thanks bro... if you have any suggestion or improvement which I can do, please let me know

I got an advise from JBL's Tech manager as per message below.. please correct me or explain me as I dont understand tech things much..

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Here's what I would do: use the 4-channel amp for front mids and tweeters. Connect MS-8's output channels 1,2,3,and 4 to that amp. Use MS-8's speaker outputs for the rear. Connect them to speaker outputs 5 and 6. Use outputs 7 and 8 to go to the amp you'll use for the sub. Then: Sub= 2 Subsonic Filter= 20Hz, 12dB/octave Sub/Front crossover 80Hz 24dB/oct Front=2-way Front crossover= 3500Hz, 24dB/octave Sides= 1-way (Your rear speakers must be entered as sides in MS-8--this is how the menu works. Has nothing to do with location or the sound) Side crossover= 100Hz, 24dB/octave.
Andy W
Global Product Line Manager, JBL Car Audio Harman Consumer


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post Jan 27 2012, 04:18 PM

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nice! direct reply from the manager biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:50 PM

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I am surprised to see JBL's recommendations as the Manager says to connect only the front to Amp's and rear direct to MS-8.

In general, The rear speakers are not so effective or not worth to change??

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post Jan 27 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(keyven @ Jan 27 2012, 04:50 PM)
I am surprised to see JBL's recommendations as the Manager says to connect only the front to Amp's and rear direct to MS-8.

In general, The rear speakers are not so effective or not worth to change??

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for most ICE setups especially for SQ setups, rear is generally undesirable as it tends to disrupt the sound stage and makes tuning a b****. more so if your rears arent good speakers (in contrast to your front component set) then you may very well introduce unwanted "noise" (not literally speaking) to your system.

the main purpose for rear speakers are rear filling which, is mostly meant for rear passengers (if you pickup people a lot) to enjoy your ICE setup.
if you rarely have people sitting in the back, for the most part you're better off without rear speakers
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 27 2012, 04:53 PM)
for most ICE setups especially for SQ setups, rear is generally undesirable as it tends to disrupt the sound stage and makes tuning a b****. more so if your rears arent good speakers (in contrast to your front component set) then you may very well introduce unwanted "noise" (not literally speaking) to your system.

the main purpose for rear speakers are rear filling which, is mostly meant for rear passengers (if you pickup people a lot) to enjoy your ICE setup.
if you rarely have people sitting in the back, for the most part you're better off without rear speakers
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Most of the times we dont carry full load on the car... hence, concentrating on rear speakers doesnt make much sense?? isnt it??

May be tour vans, taxi guys can do if they like to? blink.gif

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post Jan 27 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(keyven @ Jan 27 2012, 04:58 PM)
Most of the times we dont carry full load on the car... hence, concentrating on rear speakers doesnt make much sense?? isnt it??

May be tour vans, taxi guys can do if they like to? blink.gif
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yes correct smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 27 2012, 05:21 PM)
yes correct smile.gif
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After deciding on this arrangement, I finalised to buy Focal 165 A1 for rear spk and Focal CA1 for front comp. speakers.. I already have a BM 800w tube woofer removed from my old car.... hope should do well..


Now it is time to look out for a good installer... seems Howie is too busy to respond my PM's unsure.gif

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post Jan 27 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(keyven @ Jan 27 2012, 05:26 PM)
After deciding on this arrangement, I finalised to buy Focal 165 A1 for rear spk and Focal CA1 for front comp. speakers.. I already have a BM 800w tube woofer removed from my old car.... hope should do well..
Now it is time to look out for a good installer... seems Howie is too busy to respond my PM's  unsure.gif
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hes opening shop tomorrow. im most likely visiting him tomorrow as well
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post Jan 27 2012, 07:16 PM

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For those who are interested to know about this unit, some information from JBL copied and posted below...

JBL MS-8 digital signal processor for car audio.

The product allows car owners to upgrade their existing sound systems easily and create a luxurious in-car listening experience without having to go through the process of buying and installing new speakers, radios or amplifiers.

The MS-8 optimises sound for up to eight channels, producing a full-bandwidth and flat-response signal, while its digital signal processing (DSP) equalisation and correction automatically improve tonal accuracy and compensate for the characteristics of your speakers, electronics, vehicle interior and driver’s seat.

The MS-8 can store calibration settings for up to four seating positions, so you can select best-seat-in-the-house performance for almost anyone in your car. If you want to adjust the sound, the display and wireless controller will let you change it to suit your preferences.

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Technical Specifications

CEA® power output: 18W x 8 channels @ 4 ohms
Maximum power output: 30W x 8 channels @ 2 ohms
Frequency response: 20Hz – 20kHz
Signal-to-noise ratio (line-in/line out): >90dB
Signal-to-noise ratio (line-in/speaker out): >85dB
Maximum input voltage (speaker-level input): 15V
Maximum input voltage (line input): 2.8V
Maximum output voltage (line output): 2.8V
Maximum current draw: 16A
Stand-by current draw: <0.01A


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post Jan 28 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(keyven @ Jan 27 2012, 05:26 PM)
After deciding on this arrangement, I finalised to buy Focal 165 A1 for rear spk and Focal CA1 for front comp. speakers..
I think you meant the other way around. actually better to spend your whole speaker budget on the front components and use your stock speakers for the rear.
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post Jan 28 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Jan 28 2012, 11:01 AM)
I think you meant the other way around. actually better to spend your whole speaker budget on the front components and use your stock speakers for the rear.
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Well said.. I have been told the same by many of the guru's.... biggrin.gif


Added on January 28, 2012, 11:09 amI posted a question to JBL if I can rely on MS-8 than an amp much... here is the question and reply... rclxms.gif

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Andy.. I have a question for you... You might have seen my setup as I posted... I am not a boom boom type listener... and more like studio kinda... In this case, can I remove all the amplifiers and hook up the speakers and sub to MS-8?? Will MS-8's amplification be sufficient to handle all the speakers and sub??


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Running all of the speakers off MS-8 works fine, so long as it's enough power to make you happy. I recommend using a bigger amp for the sub. We (people) like about 9dB more bass than mids and highs in cars and ittakes 8x the power to provide that 9dB extra (if the speaker sensitivity is about the same). Use a bigger amp for the bass.

Andy Wehmeyer
Global Product Line Manager, JBL Car Audio
Harman Consumer

Added on January 30, 2012, 1:21 pmI just checked with JBL malaysia... their pricing is way away from SGP..

could get for $880 in Singapore, KL asking RM 3200?? blush.gif

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QUOTE(krayden @ Jan 28 2012, 11:01 AM)
I think you meant the other way around. actually better to spend your whole speaker budget on the front components and use your stock speakers for the rear.
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agree ... use back stock for rear .. wen alone just turn off the rear to enjoy a nicer sound staging... unless u going for SPL then it will be a totally diff setup

 

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