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post Feb 9 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(samkian @ Feb 9 2012, 12:20 PM)
I'm now using a WD 160GB hdd and its temperature can reach up to 70°C. Is it normal or too hot? What is the maximum safe temperature for hdd?
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WAAAAAAY too hot.
That's critical levels of a temperature that can be sustained by a HDD.

No HDD should ever go above 50c at load.
Give or take, even in a notebook... a HDD shouldn't be hotter than 55c (even at 50c, that's way too hot).
Your HDD could be toasted anytime at 70c.
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post Feb 9 2012, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(siauann @ Feb 9 2012, 04:16 PM)
any hdd expert can help me?  cry.gif
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Could be a faulty USB cable that causes the issue?
Could also be the connector.

Do you hear any strange noises from the external HDD when it's turned on? Like clicking or screeching noises?


QUOTE(samkian @ Feb 9 2012, 05:21 PM)
So what i gonna to do? I have 2 hdd in my computer, one is around 34c and another one around 65c, so i think my cooling system is ok. I want to know wat causes the hdd become so hot.
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Do what everling suggested:


QUOTE(everling @ Feb 9 2012, 06:11 PM)
It could be a faulty temperature sensor. The WD2500KS (250GB capacity) is known to report it incorrectly by around 19°C higher, but I am not sure about the 160GB series. You could try touching your HDD gently to test its real temperature. I think anything above 60°C would be unbearably hot to the slightest touch. If it is just tolerably warmer to the touch, it may be below 50°C or you are quite used to handling hot stuff.


Added on February 9, 2012, 6:15 pmI just thought of a less painful method to test.

Put your computer on standby/sleep. Let your HDDs cool down to room temperature (either let it sleep for a few hours or test with your hand). Wake up your machine and immediately examine the temperature report. If it is immediately ~20°C higher, then you know that the temperature report is faulty.
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 13 2012, 11:09 AM)
My WD3200BEVT Scorpio Blue laptop HDD is also running at 50c constantly which I'm quite worried. In fact it has been averaging 50c-55c and sometimes as high as 59c for over a year...

I understand that normal temperature for the HDD should be around 30 to 40 but then there's really nothing much I can do, even after I cleaned the dust the temperature doesn't seem to be affected much, wonder what's the problem with it, anyone has a similar experience?

Laptop Lenovo G450 if it matters...
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Generally, even in a laptop... your HDD shouldn't be running above 50c.
Honestly, not much you can do.

It could also be a sensor fault as well on reading the temps.
Try a few different temp monitors and see if they fluctuate significantly alot or not between them.

Other than that, backup your important info regularly.
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post Feb 23 2012, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(letze @ Feb 23 2012, 10:06 PM)
Guys, 3 TB HDD can be installed on p55 mobo? My mobo is  gigabyte p55a-ud4p.
This hdd is used for data only, not OS. I am planning to buy soon.
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No limit to what a motherboard's SATA port can support.
3TB works.
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post Feb 24 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Kr0ll3R @ Feb 24 2012, 12:05 AM)
Not true.
You'll need a motherboard with a Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) BIOS to support 2TB and above.
I'm not sure whether it can support or not.
I guess Intel Storage Controller drivers does play a part here.
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Yes.... but he's only using it for data storage, UEFI not needed for HDD above 2TB.
UEFI supported mobos are only needed if booting from a HDD larger than 2TB.

QUOTE(letze @ Feb 23 2012, 10:06 PM)
Guys, 3 TB HDD can be installed on p55 mobo? My mobo is  gigabyte p55a-ud4p.
This hdd is used for data only, not OS. I am planning to buy soon.
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post Jun 8 2012, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jun 7 2012, 06:13 PM)
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putting them in a 24/7 dl media server.
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Just disable any "power-saving" features and the drive will run in 24/7 mode.
Problem solved. smile.gif
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post Jun 9 2012, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(Yuuyatails @ Jun 8 2012, 05:54 PM)
Is Western Digital VelociRaptor (the latest one) 1TB HDD is okay for normal use?
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It's the fastest HDD in the world right now.
Good drive but I'd still suggest you get a SSD + a 3TB Seagate HDD, it'll be a better investment.


QUOTE(saturn85 @ Jun 9 2012, 01:43 AM)
Skeptical.
I myself anaylse we'll almost (perhaps about 20-30% from pre-flood level prices) reach those levels by the end of the year or Q1 2013.
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post Jun 12 2012, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Yuuyatails @ Jun 12 2012, 09:05 PM)
blink.gif  Why you suggest me to get this combination?
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My appologies, I wasn't sure if your intended usage is for gaming or not (since you're going for velociraptor, I assume it was).
As to why, the velociraptor's 1TB price is about RM900.

The 3TB seagate is only RM460.

Performance difference between the both is only noticeable, but not by much.
So for nearly less than half the price, why not get more storage?
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(Channel84 @ Jun 13 2012, 09:37 PM)
Currently which brand of hard drive is better, performance and reliability wise. Seagate/Hitachi/ WD? Reading around i'm impress with seagate 2tb performance but then i notice they only provide 1 year warranty. Any advice?
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All manufacturers switched to 1 year warranty after the flood for mainstream OEM HDDs, so no surprises there.
Personally, I like the Seagate 3TB (ST3000DM001). The price-performance factor for this drive is decent especially when WD's 3TB HDD is still the terribly slow Caviar Green and it is being sold for the same price.

If you can't spend RM480 on a HDD then the Seagate 1TB (ST1000DM003) is one of the best 1TB drives out on the market now as it is mostly a rebadging of the popular Samsung F3.
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QUOTE(Channel84 @ Jun 14 2012, 07:44 AM)
http://www.behardware.com/articles/843-6/c...ns-rates-5.html

after reading this i feel scared to get my new HDD adi T_T
Seem like larger capacity hdd have higher failure rate
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If based on that article and you get afraid, then why not get 4x 500GB HDDs and issues will be "solved"?

No logic right?
Just go get your new HDD now. smile.gif
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post Jun 16 2012, 05:38 PM

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There's always M-disc: http://millenniata.com/m-disc/

It's still expensive though and no one can really say it will last forever yet, since... the company hasn't been around long enough to be called "forever".
On theory though, the technology they use does seem to imply M-disc will retain your data forever.

I'm thinking to buy a pack to try it out as I have an exact LG DVD drive that supports the M-disc format.

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2012, 07:59 PM)
Quoted:
The M-DISC utilizes chemically stable and heat-resistant materials that are not used in any other DVD or optical disc! These materials cannot be overwritten, erased, or corrupted by natural processes. Data is stored on the M-DISC by physically altering the data layer and creating permanent voids or holes.  This new method of burning data is specifically designed to make your data endure the next 1000 years. <<  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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Yeah, let's call our descendants from God knows where 1000 years later and ask them if our pr0n collection still intact in that M-disc or not. laugh.gif

In all seriousness, $20 USD for 5 discs (not counting shipping)... dang, expensive man. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(pixit @ Jul 16 2012, 08:46 PM)
Oh my! Nowadays HDD are not trustworthy as a matter of fact when its gonna fail you sooner or later. I think when SSD was introduced, HDD are going damn cheap and cheaper until its robustness or Quality Control (QC) acts like nobody business. I am not saiding that i will give up HDD but i am sad that their inspection are getting worse and worse if the price of HDD is getting dirt cheap nowadays. So, by the time HDD is around a few bucks imagine the reliability of it. Sign!
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Would you rather have a HDD at 1TB with a price of RM2k instead then?

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Well you are complaining that HDDs are going damn cheap and as a result, QC has dropped.
The reason I say RM2k is because industrial class SSDs costs atleast that much with that amount of space, and as we know it is -- is more reliable than HDDs.

So which do you want?
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QUOTE(pixit @ Jul 17 2012, 01:32 AM)
That's is why i am complaining that things will not last longer if you are not paiding what you wanted. But as you'd mentioned SDD with 1TB industrial class costs 2k. I just want to know how long can it last or are we paiding that amount of sum that can use it reliably?
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I don't understand what you're trying to say here lol... sweat.gif
So first you say HDD are too cheap and as a result QC has suffered. Now you're saying HDD will not last longer if we aren't... umm paiding?... what we want? Huh? rclxub.gif

What the heck is "paiding"?

The google you hog so much uses those industrial class SSDs I'm talking about.
The facebooks, the twitters, the cnn... jeez, most of the uses SSDs. If they're not reliable, why would they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to switch their storage space?

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 18 2012, 04:17 PM)
At first, I used to think SSD has no moving part, it should be significant reliable than HDD, and this is many people perception as well, I reckon

But to my disappointment, after reading many complaint about SSD, and search through, SSD also subjected to failure as well despite no moving parts in it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-re...ate,2923-3.html

SSD failure % can be on par with HDD as well.

Just HDD being mass use around, that's why we see many complaint about dead HDD.
For eg. There are 500 million of HDD in the market, a 1% failure means we see 5 million dead HDD, and complaints around.
While there may be only 1 million of SSD, even at failure rate of 2%, we only see 20k dead SSD.

5 million dead HDD vs 20k SSD, the figure look huge difference, but it doesn't say SSD is more reliable or not.
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And the reason for those failures are... surprise; firmware issues.
Sandforce controllers has been notorious for their BSODs, it's not on a hardware layer either it is more towards the firmware. So, techcnically it has nothing to do with the hardware.

Intel can create reliable firmware for their Sandforce based SSDs (330 and 520).

That article is over a year old, and over the last year the SSD market and industry has changed considerably.

That being said, we do need another 2-3 years to tell if SSDs are as reliable as HDDs or not. Intel's first generation X-25 SSDs are still running strong today.
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QUOTE(EnTaroAdun23 @ Mar 5 2013, 10:18 AM)
Has anybody had experience using the Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid HDD? Specifically the 750GB variant?
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Yes.
It's pretty nice for laptops if you really need the space and don't have the luxury of buying a 512GB SSD.

It does help boot up times and at the very least, your most used apps — your internet browser.
Unfortunately, because the NAND on the XT isn't big enough to hold the entire OS... it still does suffer when it comes to loading programs that utilize high read speeds.

Also, because it is still a HDD... random access times are still very high.

Good drive? Yes.
Worth it? Yes, but only for laptops. If you're on a desktop, it's better to go with a SSD + HDD route instead.

If Seagate can make their next XT with at least 32GB of NAND (64GB would be a nice spot), we'll start to see some significant performance advantage over conventional HDDs.
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QUOTE(EnTaroAdun23 @ Mar 6 2013, 08:43 AM)
Thanks for the review.  I have a laptop/desktop replacement so I think this would be a good upgrade for me.

I just read this: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/seagate...drives-2013034/

It seems Seagate will build over the Momentus XT line.  So I think we should expect better SSHDs from Seagate in 2014 and beyond.
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Yup! That's true. I'm hoping to see more development on the XT because it has always been a good concept.
NAND prices should be fairly reasonable by 2014 and if my wish comes true, a 1TB HDD with 64GB of NAND will be a very nice drive for a laptop.
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QUOTE(ectt @ Mar 9 2013, 12:52 AM)
anyone tried to build your own SSD here?
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I see your point, it's simpler to put up than a HDD.
But good luck getting the parts... and paying for a royalty fee on a controller you choose.

Just the parts alone, no one will sell you 512GB of NAND memory (assuming you're going for 512GB) on its own. You wanna buy, buy it in the hundreds of thousands lol. So yeah, not gonna happen.
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QUOTE(bad melatonin @ Mar 12 2013, 02:22 PM)
guys, whats d latest price for seagate st3000dm001 ? need to get a pair for raid1 for my data storage...
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RM395 from Viewnet.

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