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 The SONY NEX Discussion Thread V3

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post Mar 27 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(lencent @ Mar 27 2012, 10:17 AM)
yea... not from KL area :S
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err just ask someone grab it for u from 1U and (normal)post to you~ pay a little more u get it in less then a week compare to shipping from japan may take one whole month. smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2012, 02:15 PM

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50mm is not slow, its bacause ppl thinks its a low light lens, they go tested it on low light situation, but pls don't forget, nex is a contrast detect, it requires contrast and light to lock. Used it daytime for portrait, its fast.
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post Aug 29 2012, 03:14 AM

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35mm? i tot sigma has some nice pancakes too?
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post Sep 10 2012, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Sep 8 2012, 05:59 PM)
I think Fuji is very smart to choose APS-C instead of Full Frame so their body and lenses can be smaller. The sensor technology keep evolving. Now sensor found in Nikon D7000 and Pentax K5 is almost the same as the one found in full frame 5D classic few years back. I think the quality is really good enough for most people.
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i find this statement very disturbing.

1. i doubt fuji has technology or ability for FF scale production. or a 'scale of economy' for that.
2. Sensor in D7000, K5, is almost same as found in 5D, seriously need a references where u got that info from.

please dont simply say stuff, u may get trolled by sony fanboys.


QUOTE(loon1983 @ Sep 8 2012, 08:28 AM)
duno the performance can beat my FF or not? hope so...
but now i prefer lighter cam for daily use, so let go my d700... tongue.gif


Added on September 8, 2012, 9:36 am

actually i also consider fuji rather nex...
but i love nex 180 flip screen n wifi....    blush.gif
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loon, FF is FF. Crop is Crop. dont mix it.

also, IQ hold only like 10% of how good your image is. the other 90% is your skill, and still your skill to create the image. if u are really skillful, even your iphone photo can beat some noob with D700/800/3x/4. notworthy.gif


QUOTE(jimmyyap03 @ Sep 9 2012, 08:41 PM)
Anyone using closed up filter? I curious to ask a question,

I bought closed up + 4 filter, but it had limit to length, which meant I unable to get a Sharp pic for zoom length...will it needed for +10 for zoom length to get a clear/sharper pic?
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QUOTE(ChinWY @ Sep 9 2012, 09:18 PM)
I use to play with close up filters but I find it not worth the cost at the end of the day.  Image quality is just bearable and the edges is really crap.  If you are really serious , you are better off with 2 options.

1.  If you have old SLR lens, you can get a reverse lens adapter for real cheap price these days (eBay) or if you do not have old SLR lens, you can source them there too for a very modest price. You kill 2 birds here.  Reverse for macro work and up front, and you have a manual prime lens.  If you pick your choice carefully, ie a short tele + wide angle. Mate them and you have a very good macro with decent magnification.

2. Get a proper macro from the old stock (eBay).  If you are on shoe string. A Nikkor Macro (A1) 55f3.5 is decent price or if you can afford go for the 55f2.8  These are proper macro lens and you will enjoy them.  Bigger f stop is necessary if you are going for the high magnifications. You need all the light you can get - it start to loose light when the lens gets further from the sensor.  I will not consider auto Macro lens.  It is not really worth its value and you have to switch it to manual all the time for proper control.  FYI - i just bought a Macro 55f2.8 with adapter for <RM800/-  for a friend.

As for distance from lens to subject - sorry ...  that is not much you can do on that unless you go for the longer lens. But there is still a limit to it.  You get to real issues when magnification goes pass x2  Often objects are almost touching the lens and depth of filed is difficult to locate and compose.  Most switch to photo stacking if detail work is needed.
I do have Zoom with Macro but the quality is just not there doh.gif . Also too bulky for close up work.
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(simplify my reply)
1. the round filter type macro is a very bad buy. you just wasted your money.
2. reverse adapter makes holding NEX not stable.
3. another recommended option, get a Raynox DCR250. it has 3 element(optics) inside to retain IQ vs the ring filter(single optic). its only around 3xx) and it can fix on most of e mount lens filter thread.

jimmyyap03, macro shooting is a very diff method from normal photoshooting technique. the proper way of macro, is not using AF. but i) manual focus to infinity(with adapter), ii)set to desire working distance/manification eg 1:1.5/1:1.2; and focus by moving the camera forward backward to find the focus point.

like ChinWY mention, DOF is very tricky business as such close up will result is very very shallow DOF (even with F16 where u lost all the lights too, so pick a further focus distance(macro lens) and crop later (all professional macro shooter crops their photo). or (with adapter type, eg raynox) wider angle lens (eg 35-50mm)

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post Sep 10 2012, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Sep 10 2012, 03:00 AM)
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/C...se/Canon/EOS-5D
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/C...ase/Nikon/D7000
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/C...abase/Pentax/K5

D7000 and K5 has better color depth and significantly better dynamic range than 5d classic. 5d classic has only 1/3 stop better noise performance.

Both D7000 and K5 sensor are made by Sony, why Sony fanboys need to be upset with it?

Well you can always defend yourself by saying dxomark is junk and they need "reference" from someone.  tongue.gif 

Can I get some "reference" saying fuji doesn't have the technology for FF scale production?

Fuji made Medium Format Hasselblad lenses (Read Medium Format).  rclxms.gif  Do you need a reference for that?  tongue.gif

Please don't simply get disturbed again.  You may get trolled. smile.gif
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then u should have said performance, your statement could easily point toward the physical sensor is the same. sweat.gif

what do i need to defend, what did i said wrong? i never said DXO is wrong, and you are just create those words by yourself. i also can make statement of you myself, "why not you defend urself saying because fuji can make fujinon's (MF lenses) then they able to make MF sensor". but i dont need to, its pointless. accusation is pointless.

ever since early this year, some spokeperson from fuji said fuji 'may' consider a fullframe compact, something like the rumored "rx-1" which looked so much like a photoshopped XPro1 (fishy). and since then, massive rumor saying fuji FF this FF that. but not a single FF lens design is ever patented since. and also during Xpro1, fuji said their APS-C sensor is designed to beat FF, and its obviously paid marketing that reviewer claim the sensor beats FF (and they just love to use 5D2 as comparison, poor 5D2)... its like nikon marketing claim of D800 beats MF!. my point is, if Fuji would claim their APS-C can beat FF, why would they need an FF. it shows Fuji has no intention of FF (for now) do you agree?

fujinon made MF lenses, so what, Zeiss made MF lenses too, and your point? 'Zeiss have technology for FF scale production'? Fujinon is an irrelevant statement.

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post Sep 11 2012, 05:56 PM

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"The sensorengine technology keep evolving. Now sensorengine found in Nikon D7000 and Pentax K5 toyota hilux and mit triton is almost the same as the one found in full frame 5D classic nissan classic skyline R34 few years back. I think the quality is really good enough for most people."

lets do a little swap with subject and see how your statement show.... its obvious u not talking bout technology of the sensor, its obvious u pointed carelessly the sensor are almost the same. i wonder who many ppl here was confuse by it too.
you know, instead of being so defensive and offensive you could just say, 'oh i mean the technology' instead reply with offense. and i'd be fine by it~ i been only reply with proper comment where went wrong. and if your think my reply was that offensive, then i think u have paranoid issue that every reply is attacking you, it seem u have that issue with others replying you in other threads too.

" Do you remember what you wrote earlier? "i doubt fuji has technology or ability for FF scale production. or a 'scale of economy' for that." and now you are selling Fujinon is irrelevant. blush.gif what is relevant? "

i do, its irrelevant that 'does fuji has the ecomony of scale or the tech to make FF'. Zeiss makes MF lenses too, and they obviously has no technology to make Sensor at all, so it means by you bringing out Fujinon(lens department) able to make MF lens, and then... what is it to do with the economy of scale to make FF sensor? arent u slapping ur ownselves to bring this up again?

"Just because you are skeptical on everything doesn't mean we cannot talk about it. RX1 look photoshopped (fishy)? Do you have any reference again? LOL. We cannot prove it is real. You cannot prove it is wrong either. And even if RX1 is photoshopped. so what?! If RX1 is announced one day (probably long with A99), where do you want to hide?" says the skeptical person who say why cant i talk bout it look like photoshopped. why cant we talk bout how its photoshopped then u attack me for... erm, what point? im skeptical? i admit i am, i am skeptical why would sony decide to come out with a camera that just a niche market, and it looks so much like Xpro1, which risking fuji suing sony later on, OR, maybe, sony already acquired some share in fuji, hence sony kinda share their tech like the new 6x6 grid sensor which sony patented years back. just an opinion, feel free to CORRECT me, not attack me.

p/s from the start, i have no intention to argue with you, but just hope u will correct your statement. that all. but aren't u the one thats skeptical that attack every point of my comment?




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