Hi guys,

As we all know there are many types of cheeses ranging from specifically different types of match-ups.
So, what would be your favourite cheese and you think the most effective for your use?

Mine (as a Zerg player):

vZ : Roach into expand roach rush at 8th min + pull of drones from gas; all in speedlings rallied to opponent's base (i copied this build from Destiny)..
vP : 2 base Roach rush + lings around 7th minute, all in speedlings to opponent's base..
vT : it's very hard to cheese against this race. Still donno what's the best cheese against them.. lol

So, what about you guys?

4gate~ against all races

Kaiz is a victim of my roach rush..

if im protoss:
vr rush
cannon rush
proxy pylon/gates
probe rush

if im terran:
reaper rush/mass
proxy rax
proxy bunker
MAEK SPESS MUHREENS

if im zherk:
hatchery rush
evolution chamber rush
drone rush
spine rush
6 pool
no pool
roll over and die

zvt can 6 pool, baneling bust, roach bane all in...

^ the cheese of all cheese

PLANETARY FORTRESS RUSH! THE MOST EPIC OF ALL EPIC

Roach Bane all in -

Will do a significant damage to the economy if cant kill it and zerg can immediately drown up to play macro game. I always lose to this all-in

all in = cheese?

all in fail = lose ?

which race after all in fail still can come back ?

terrans cause they got mules
(look at GSL for all of these comeback after failing allins)

6 pool, baneling bust against Terran is quite risky if you're at diamond and above IMO..

if all in fail terus leave liao lo....

all in probe rush Naniwa style~

Roach Bane,
zerg can come back as long as does enough damage on the economy... you need replays?

my clanmate did tat when we 4v4 and we won >.<
so it is a legit strategy!!!

lol you want replays? anyway there are still ppl 6 pooling and bane bust in master once a while. its rare and most of the time it fails because its called a cheese. cheese is not meant to have high win rate at the 1st place, its to catch greedy opponents of guard. 6 pool in ZvP is more often tho cuz you can catch up back easier than zvt.

6pools jz win games in ZvP ob big maps if the protoss scout ur base last even with a 9pylon scout =(

baneling bust is also a type of cheese?

lol if not.

why suddenly someone bring up this topic after i got consecutively cheesed like 6 games back to back?? you guys stalking me is it??

back then during BW 6 pool was the most feared tactic....

you're not sacrificing a huge portion of your economy oso ._. how is that cheesing >.< or did i do my baneling bust wrongly? lol

baneling bust just to break the wall off, then lings enter and mass rape

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Added on January 17, 2012, 1:31 amanyway this is still the best rush of all rushes



This post has been edited by FLampard: Jan 17 2012, 01:31 AM

4 pool

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Added on January 17, 2012, 2:10 amumm......why baneling bust is not sacrificing huge portion of economy. normally ZvT 2 base baneling bust stop drones at about 20-23 food with 2 queen and 4 lings. so you have about 16 drones only, and 3 guys on gas means about 12 mining mineral. afterthat make like 20 lings and morph around 8 banes for baneling bust. if this fail, terran got like 30 scv at that time compare to your 16...if you no do bane bust, you will have 44 drones going for spire or wtv tech you want already.

all these numbers are just approx.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Jan 17 2012, 02:11 AM

marine cheese has been nerfed by increase rax built time right? i no longer see ppl doing that anymore, after all, easy to counter also..

still plausible. depends on skill gap, map, scouting and alot other factor. all cheese are easy to counter. 6 pool can wall off but then there are still ppl get into GM playing 6 pool. PF rush can just use probe micro block but then slayers min can PF rush NA server grandmaster no problem. marine cheese in the hand of forgg, the marines will nvr die.

its still working, sometimes even GM zerg will die to that lol

11/11 is still a very very good build in TvZ...
proxy marauder TvT is really popular as well (and from my personal experience, it is a very very good build)...
then u have the 2 rax with scv allin TvP when the protoss eco cheese (1 gate expand, or nexus first)...

Parmesan cheese...
I find 6RR extremely effective for me, but 6/8 pool almost never works for me. Theres this never ending discussion whether 6RR is actually a cheese or not though... :/

6 or 7?

1 base 6RR or 7 RR are still risky coz can easily scouted..