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VengenZ
post Jan 15 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jan 15 2012, 11:30 PM)
What about the -6, it looks like it appears from nowhere.  And where is +8x+10?  ohmy.gif
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You actually go backwards from the x^2+8x+10
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post Jan 15 2012, 11:38 PM

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hk(x) = (x^2 + 8x) + 10 --- A

Since
h(x+4) = (x^2 + 8x) + 16 - 6 --- B

Compare equation A and B

h(x+4) = (x+4)^2 -6

Change x+4 to x

h(x) = x^2 - 6

This post has been edited by VengenZ: Jan 15 2012, 11:43 PM
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post Jan 15 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jan 15 2012, 11:49 PM)
Oh I get it now. thanks. smile.gif
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No problem tongue.gif

QUOTE(RyukA @ Jan 15 2012, 11:49 PM)
Its the same thing.

take k(x) for example.

h(x) = x or we say the function h(x), graphed as y = x

hence h(k(x)) = k(x) 

Given k(x) = x + 2
we know hk(x) = (x + 2)

formalising an idea,
for an unknown function z(x),
if k(x) is a known function.

and zk(x) can be expressed as y = a + b(k(x)) + c  or a function of k(x), for a,c, are known constants/parameters.
then z(x) is simply  y = a + bx + c

which is how TS, used the "completing the Square method, to obtain the equation as a factor of (k(x))
and work out h(x). An alternative method from inversing the identity. wink.gif
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I didnt say the method was wrong blink.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(RyukA @ Jan 16 2012, 12:04 AM)
what method wrong?
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Nvm.. I thought you quoted me coz something ohmy.gif

Anyway..

Let me proof TS's technique (In hope that TS will understand).

h(x) = ax^2 + bx + c
k(x) = x + d

h[k(x)] = a[x+d]^2 + b(x+d) + c
hk(x) = a(x^2 + xd + d^2) + bx + bd + c
hk(x) = ax^2 + axd + ad^2 + bx + bd + c
hk(x) = ax^2 + x(ad+bx+bd) + ad^2 + c

Let B = ad+bx+bd and C = ad^2 + c

hk(x) = ax^2 + Bx + C

Now, we go backwards.

h[k(x)] = a[x+d]^2 + b(x+d) + c
h(x+d) = a[x+d]^2 + b(x+d) + c
h(x+d-d) = a[x+d-d]^2 + b(x+d-d) + c

Let x + d = y

h(y-d) = a(y-d)^2 + b(y-d) +c

Since y - d = x

h(x) = ax^2 + bx + c

(Q.E.D)

So in Ts's way of solving we have:

hk(x) = x^2 + 8x + 10
k(x) = x + 4
Let y = x + 4
x = y - 4

h(y) = (y - 4)^2 + 8(y - 4) + 10
h(y) = y^2 - 6



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post Jan 16 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Jan 16 2012, 06:58 PM)
Hi . Never knew I'll get so many great responses . Anyway , yes , I finally got to the point that I can't understand the concept from all the reference books available , and also the textbooks . Since I'm currently tuition-less , I'll have to resort to asking on the internet , and I've gotten great responses . smile.gif

From all of the posts above , I figured I'll simplify the main gist of the concept , at least for me :

We're finding h(x) , but if we map k(x) to the function x^2+8x+10 , I'll get the value of hk(x) instead and not h(x) . And to find x from k(x) , we'll have to inverse it , by letting y as the subject and then from there , express x in terms of y .

Since y is set to be equal to k(x) , which is x+4 , to solve for x , it will be x=y-4 .

But then when it comes to here my logic and reasoning doesn't understand this part : SINCE y=x+4 , and x=y-4 , why do we say its h(y) instead and not h(x) ? Is y=y-4 ?
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h(y) = y^2 - 6 = h(x+4) = (x+4)^2 -6

This post has been edited by VengenZ: Jan 16 2012, 09:28 PM

 

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