Okay, I am coming to a cross road in life and in this path, I am deciding between pursuing a migration, pursuing an MBA and purchasing a property. All will require a heavy amount of money.

A few years ago, in 2008, I did a test on http://www.workpermit.com/ and I was surprised that I qualified for a New Zealand PR. I was a grad from NZ.

This year, I do not qualify anymore, apparently they have raised the entry barriers.

Now I don't come from a very technical background; eg. bio science, actuarial science, etc.

I come from a business background.

However, moving forward, my partner and I would like to attempt to pursue a new life overseas. She is a bioscience grad from a University of Sabah.

After looking around, I've only found CANADA to be a country with a lower entry barrier for migration.

Do you guys have any input on migration and what are your experiences like with migration?

It will be important to specify things such as study period, qualification and work experience.

Maybe you guys can help me out!

migration means starting all over again!
pursuing an MBA and purchasing a property means you do part time MBA whilst still working here? Correct?

If I'm young (less than 35yr) and have cash RM250k I'll migrate.
There are many ways to over come migration barrier.

This post has been edited by DarkNite: Jan 15 2012, 10:33 AM

among the developed countries... canada and singapore is very easy to enter... and the US if you are able to secure a job there... US visa is easy to obtain now as there's less ppl applying

Salience,

IMHO, the barrier to migration is not exactly money. The CORRECT QUESTION is can you SURVIVE after you migrated?? So, unless you have so much money that essentially, you retire at that country, you have to EARN MONEY. So, you need to have a job and / or business in that country.

For example, if somebody offer you a good paying job in XYZ country, you could migrate over there. Vice versa, if you cannot find a job and /or do a business in XYZ country and you do not have enough money to retire in that country, why migrate?? You cannot survive over there.

In general, the best way for a person to migrate oversea is to

A) Study oversea

B) Worked oversea for a few years after graduated.

C) After that, even a person came back to Malaysia, the person has a better to go back oversea and work later on.

Of course, there are exceptions. If you are VERY GOOD and you have world wide recognized qualification, you can go anywhere. For example, if you have CCIE, you could have work in many countries. Ditto, if you are SAP expert, Oracle expert and so on...

I have family member migrated to many countries for the past 30+ years.

Dreamer

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Added on January 15, 2012, 10:52 amalaskanbunny,

<<and the US if you are able to secure a job there... US visa is easy to obtain now as there's less ppl applying>>

With 10% to 18% unemployment (depending on which figure that you believe), how could a person secure a job easily?? Furthermore, why would a company sponsor a visa for YOU when they can choose from the locals??

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 15 2012, 10:52 AM

Canadian companies does not readily accept foreign credentials. Your Kiwi degree and Malaysian work experience come to nought. Canadian companies will accept US degree and work experience because between 75 to 80 percent of her trade is with US. As Dark Night said, emigration means starting all over again from the bottom

It's easier to get a Canadian PR compared to American one. However, considering your background based on your description, I don't think you qualify. If it were that easy, Canada and other countries that have low migration barrier would have been full of people.

We dun have specific info on his qualification or particulars about his business/skills.

Many countries can accept your migration IF you are capable of bringing in $$$ and develop your business in that country.

If you're alluding to the economic migrant schemes in most first world countries, I don't think that 250K is denominated in ringgits.

This post has been edited by seantang: Jan 15 2012, 05:34 PM

US' economy is huge... they are involved in nearly any industry out there that u can imagine... there're job growth in certain sectors and declination in others... although nett job growth is -ve doesnt mean there arent jobs out there...

u just gotta find the right one...

if the job is highly sough after then they wont, if they are unable to fill the position, then they will open to foreigners... some jobs require specific skill sets that americans dont have..

alaskanbunny,

You are discussing with somebody like me that had worked many years across multiple industries in USA. Plus, I have many many friends and family members working and living across multiple states in USA now. So, I have many first hand information.

Things are A LOT WORSE in USA than you can imagine and reported.

By the way, in USA, if you are out of job for 6 months to a years, you are NOT part of the unemployment number. You are considered as UNEMPLOYABLE. So, the 9% to 10% does not include those people that are out of job for a long time.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/...ployment-charts

If you want the REAL NUMBER and how unemployment number are manipulated, go and check above URL.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 15 2012, 11:03 PM

yea... like what i said... for the whole country is like 10% or maybe 50%, but there are still industries that are hiring and in need of ppl... if you meet their requirements, then wahla.. a job and a h1-b

alaskanbunny,

Does the TS fit one of those descriptions?? He is just an AVERAGE person.

Dreamer

dont know him well enough to judge him/her leh... just saying, it is not impossible...

let's just say that I have adequate knowledge which I feel can lay me down on a decent job. After all, I am in a very niche industry here in Malaysia. In fact, the only company with the competency in retail markets.

and my partner is bio science.

landing a job might be troublesome, but not impossible.

Anyway, the states is probably out of the question and quite frankly, my purpose to migrate is not aiming to become rich.

For this brief period of migration, it would be just to experience another country with my partner. While I am a foreign grad, I know what living abroad is about and I feel this experience would be great for my partner and myself to build ourselves as well.

At the end of the day, I will come back to Malaysia. It is just the exposure, the culture and the business landscape.

While I am still young, I think this would be a good time. Maybe 5 years? I wouldn't know.

Salience,

My response to you is VERY SIMPLE. If you can find a good paying job that support you in that country, WHY do you need to worry about MONEY?? If not, you do not have enough money to survive over there with RM 250K for 5 years.

<<I have adequate knowledge which I feel can lay me down on a decent job. >>

Until and unless you get a SOLID JOB OFFER and sponsorship for a visa, nothing is REAL. If you BELIEVE that you can get a job, go ahead and apply for job. If and when you have a job offer, then, you decide.

<< For this brief period of migration, it would be just to experience another country with my partner. While I am a foreign grad, I know what living abroad is about and I feel this experience would be great for my partner and myself to build ourselves as well.>>

The other alternative is to study oversea for your MBA and live there for a few years...

Dreamer

so guys, which of you have succesfully migrated to any countries?

not taking into consideration HOT SKILLS as mentioned by those countries?

how was your experience like and all?

Go to America.

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Yes, Canada is the easiest among all English-speaking countries. That's the reason why I chose it over Australia.

While it's easy to get in, it will not be easy to survive given your skills. Professional jobs in Canada require Canadian experience, so if your partner wants to do something professional, I'm afraid he/she probably has to redo his/her degree or do a masters related to his/her field.

A lot of foreign doctors, accountants,engineers and whatnot work as taxi drivers or delivery persons because their qualifications were not recognised. Yes, surgeons with 5-10 years of experience in India driving taxis in Canada.

For your case, it really depends on the nature of your work. If it's say being a marketer at a company or something that is not regulated, then it doesn't really matter where your experience or qualifications come from. There are no structural barriers that would prevent you from seeking employment in the field that you would want to be in.

This thing is only a problem for people who uproot and move to Canada. Those who did their engineering or accounting etc degrees in Canada do not face problems like this.










Simple, demonstrate the value that you can bring then the sponsorship will automatically come.

I personally think that TS should just immigrate and don't worry too much. You will eventually able to find a job as you need to SURVIVE in the end.

As of immigration to Canada, other forumers with related experiences should give comments instead of others who DO NOT have these experiences PERSONALLY.

Hello Kawan,

Being a Malaysian, you can survive anywhere one lah. After all, you are already surviving in Malaysia.

A simple route will be to work in Singapore first. You can get a PR easily, then can think about getting citizenship. Many already done that with the new HDB subsidy a person get to enjoy. Easy money.

Then you can think of migrating anywhere because sg experience holds more weights lah. Every country got their own shit. In Sg, the good thing is safety, convenience. Stress? Up to you or your boss lor. For me, I 'tui hei teh ngong eh..'. Just jalan. With a Sg passport, also easier to migrate or travel. No bloody VISA issues.

Am sure many are reading this and tempted. Once you are successful like some of your other thousands of fellow malaysians, do join me for a game of badminton in sg ya. I can coach you badminton to beat up the locals here. lol.

Lucky you don't have kids. Even have kids, its up to you if you want to uproot. No point wasting your time if you are not happy there.

Hope this helps you in uprooting.