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 <WTA> Do I need to upgrade to 3 Phase ?

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TScoconutzz
post Jan 12 2012, 09:28 PM, updated 14y ago

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Hi Guys,

Just got my plan approved ...it's time to do it!!

By the way, I just wanna ask, initially i was thinking of upgrading to 3Phase power, however due to try budgetary problem, I m trying to cut this out is possible.

I was told that I may not need to. Below are the ACs that I have planned , one of the wireman told me that single phase is still sufficient:-



1) 1HP AC - Ground Floor Room
2) 2HP AC - Living Hall
3) 1HP AC - Upper Room
4) 1HP AC - Upper Room 2
5) 1.5HP AC - Master Room

Total : 5 ACs with total of 6.5HP


Of cos at night there will only be max 3 ACs on (all the upper rooms only)




I am definitely rewiring the entire house but may not want to 3 Phase. Appreciate if anyone could advise.


Thx
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post Jan 12 2012, 09:35 PM

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if u use heavy machinery, lots of ac, bla bla bla things that use enormous electrical power then yes 3 phase
if wireman said ur setting sufficient, then its sufficient^^
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post Jan 12 2012, 09:37 PM

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TNB website recommend changing to 3 phase on household with more than 3 a/cond
TScoconutzz
post Jan 13 2012, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(icp @ Jan 12 2012, 09:37 PM)
TNB website recommend changing to 3 phase on household with more than 3 a/cond
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Hmm..that is what they recommended...will take into consideration
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post Jan 13 2012, 08:55 AM

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What is the benifit to change to 3phase?
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post Jan 13 2012, 09:47 AM

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If you have more than 1 water heater, and use it concurrent when all the 3 a/c is switch on you maybe hitting > 10K Watt. That will be better to use 3 Phase.

If you know know the max watt draw is < 10 K watt, you don't really need 3 phase.
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:25 AM

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i have 3 instant water heater, 7 aircon, and other appliances like computer, microwave, oven, refrigerator, washing machine, tv etc. I still using single phase....=.=

i know i wont open all at the same time..if one day really happen, it will be my nightmare
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 13 2012, 10:25 AM)
i have 3 instant water heater, 7 aircon, and other appliances like computer, microwave, oven, refrigerator, washing machine, tv etc. I still using single phase....=.=

i know i wont open all at the same time..if one day really happen, it will be my nightmare
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Happen in my mother house once,

2 Instant water heater switch on, 3 A/C switch on, + TV + 2 fridge + other items. DB box fuse blow. Got to temporary "Kung Fu" the fuse to use while i go out buy replacement. My mom house using old school DB box all fused, no reset-able MCB.

Newer house should be able to reset.

But for my new house, will have to be careful, cause I run two independent DB Box.
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2012, 10:29 AM)
Happen in my mother house once,

2 Instant water heater switch on, 3 A/C switch on, + TV + 2 fridge + other items. DB box fuse blow. Got to temporary "Kung Fu" the fuse to use while i go out buy replacement. My mom house using old school DB box all fused, no reset-able MCB.

Newer house should be able to reset.

But for my new house, will have to be careful, cause I run two independent DB Box.
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I will try to convert to 3 phase in the future if the process is easy without rewiring my whole house...if really can be done by just changing meter and DB box, it will be nice...

renovation and furniture + appliances already make me poor like hell
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:44 AM

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i dunno where you get the info from that 5 AC or even 3 AC need 3 phase for sure.

its just not true in general. it will depend on the AC's startup Amp-uage. Simple maths lah ... 1 HP use how many Amp to start? that depends on tha wattage - take a note and divide by 115 then you have the amps - but usually the max amp is stated on the sticker. for example a 1 HP inverter A/C from panasonic draws max 6 Amps - much less under partial load and they dont start all at the same moment in time either! then add all the max. Amps to see potential max. load. if this is below 63 Amps then absolutely no prob at all. Even if above you wont get into trouble if you KNOW your concurrent consumption will not exceed 63 Amps.

real life example: total of 8 HP A/Cs, PC, three fridges, oven, hood, more appliances = single phase no problem and i always have all of the A/Cs running. i can safely on the oven on full blast (3000 Watts over thats a major sucker!) and no problem.

single phase can tahan 63 Amps with appropriate fuse. so there you go.
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:48 AM

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So actually no benifit to upgrade 3phase. Just profit the TNB.
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jan 13 2012, 10:44 AM)
i dunno where you get the info from that 5 AC or even 3 AC need 3 phase for sure.

its just not true in general. it will depend on the AC's startup Amp-uage. Simple maths lah ... 1 HP use how many Amp to start? that depends on tha wattage - take a note and divide by 115 then you have the amps - but usually the max amp is stated on the sticker. for example a 1 HP inverter A/C from panasonic draws max 6 Amps - much less under partial load and they dont start all at the same moment in time either! then add all the max. Amps to see potential max. load. if this is below 63 Amps then absolutely no prob at all. Even if above you wont get into trouble if you KNOW your concurrent consumption will not exceed 63 Amps.

real life example: total of 8 HP A/Cs, PC, three fridges, oven, hood, more appliances = single phase no problem and i always have all of the A/Cs running. i can safely on the oven on full blast (3000 Watts over thats a major sucker!) and no problem.

single phase can tahan 63 Amps with appropriate fuse. so there you go.
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Well said....good job~


Added on January 13, 2012, 10:58 am
QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 13 2012, 10:48 AM)
So actually no benifit to upgrade 3phase. Just profit the TNB.
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No matter how, if got budget, change lar...I don't change because I don't have budget~

This post has been edited by tiensong: Jan 13 2012, 10:58 AM
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 13 2012, 10:57 AM)
No matter how, if got budget, change lar...I don't change because I don't have budget~
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Change for what if evrything within the Amp. Unless you tell me the bill can be cheaper if in 3phase.

Even got budget, belanja you better. smile.gif
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 13 2012, 11:02 AM)
Change for what if evrything within the Amp. Unless you tell me the bill can be cheaper if in 3phase.

Even got budget, belanja you better. smile.gif
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at least you don't need to worry when turn on all the appliances mah....haha
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 13 2012, 11:03 AM)
at least you don't need to worry when turn on all the appliances mah....haha
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Worry your pocket. TNB will be happy too.
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2012, 11:04 AM)
Worry your pocket. TNB will be happy too.
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haha....
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:09 AM

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Change 3 phase not only just do the DB box. Unless you already pre plan and have your DB box wire for future 3 Phase.

Inside your DB box, if only got 15 MCB, how you want to distribute the incoming 3 hot wires? (RYB)

Than If TNB don't allow house owner to put meter inside the house, house owner need to hack and put outside, beside the gate pillar. More work.
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2012, 11:09 AM)
Change 3 phase not only just do the DB box. Unless you already pre plan and have your DB box wire for future 3 Phase.

Inside your DB box, if only got 15 MCB, how you want to distribute the incoming 3 hot wires? (RYB)

Than If TNB don't allow house owner to put meter inside the house, house owner need to hack and put outside, beside the gate pillar. More work.
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how i know my DB box is wired for 3 phase or not? check which part?


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post Jan 13 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Jan 13 2012, 11:03 AM)
at least you don't need to worry when turn on all the appliances mah....haha
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What to worry? Just a fuse blow.
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:14 AM

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Actually come to think about it, i got more direct power socket than 3 phases house. I got total of 30+ socket, and 80% of it are direct to fuse box.

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