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post Jan 6 2019, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Nov 17 2018, 09:05 AM)
FPV hardware schematics setup and guides for off-roader
Hey guys! I Just released my article about how i setup all my FPV off-roader which published at my websites.  Feel free to read all about it and might helps some newbies all the way building their own FPV off-road rig. Enjoy bros!  6]

Article & setup links:
https://www.supermotoxl.com/fpvuav-models-b...a-advance-setup

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Since weight & space are less of an issue in RC cars compared to drones & aircraft, why not have a stand-alone circuit for the FPV system fed off a small lipo independent of the main batt?

Zero video noise from the motor for sure!

Curious to see what kind of range you can get on the ground with all the ground clutter.

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post Jan 6 2019, 07:15 PM

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Guys I'm kinda curious to get into the RC crawler scene.

What car would you recommend with a budget of around RM1K..?

My requirements:

1) 1/10 scale
2) Can use my existing stash of 2200mah 3S lipos
3) No plasticky drivetrain that will strip after a few months.
4) Preferably brushless set-up
5) RX can be swapped out in the future.
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Jan 7 2019, 09:59 AM)
More likely with that budget you'll get HSP brand 4WD with brushless. At least HSP have common spare parts widely available in any local R/C store.  But if you can get budget higher than RM$1,500 you can get more branded and tougher build brushless model with strong drivetrain from KYOSHO VE series or TRAXXAS.  flex.gif
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HSP eh. Thanks for the pointer. I've seen the Pangolin and several other similar crawlers from HSP go for about RM500-RM600, which is interesting but I don't know what to make of them. Is the drivetrain (spur, diffs etc) metal? Which shop do you recommend for upgrade parts?

How about the RGT 18000...?

I can't spend RM1500 on this hobby - I'd have to sell my children before that can happen. sweat.gif

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post Jan 7 2019, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Jan 7 2019, 02:44 PM)
I have HSP pangolin too but not so much fun to crawl and to keep about with 4x4 crawling club because of its non-scaler chassis...hard to "scale modder".  I would go for RGT 18000 than with Pangolin because its a rock racer..can like crawler, have a bit climbing speed and plus for styling.    When it comes to R/C shop for parts i usually buy stuff online between www.banggood.com or www.rcmart.com 

If you concern more about metal drivetrain best go branded such as Traxxas, Vaterra, Hong Nor, HPI or branded models because their spare parts always have optional metal upgrade full on drive train that can handle brushless power even on crawler setup.  Cheaper HSP brand model have mix of plastic and metal but they do have metal drivetrain as after market optional upgrade but will fall apart on brushless power after few runs.

Based on my experience if you spent a model start up at RM600 you'll end up extra additional +rm$500 because of charger, suspension parts, ESC, radio, wheelsets to match with desirable performance especially if the models equipped with brushless motor because fast wear an tear on metal gears.  First you need to check which category you wanted go down the path?  Crawler? Throphy truck off-road racing? Rock racing, buggy bash? scaler/trial 4x4? or others?  ...that will determine where your budget will be.
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Just slow & easy rock crawling for me at this point as I'm not much of a speed junkie to go blasting and breaking components. I crash enough with drones & airplanes lol.

I already have a stack of 3S lipos, 2-channel charger and other RC battery knickknacks. I intend to run the car stock with the stock TX for the near future, before throwing RM170 on a Flysky GT3C or a Radiolink RC4GS maybe. I'll think about tyres, upgrading motor & ESC and upgrading other parts much later after I learn more about rock crawling - there's no hurry.

As with any other type of RC hobby, RC rock crawling will turn into a bottomless money pit... sooner rather than later if I'm not careful. blink.gif

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post Jan 7 2019, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 7 2019, 03:05 PM)
The RGT 18000 look like build way better than pangolin. I would go for that. For traxxas, you would need budget around RM1k to 2k & usually it is brushed setup. Brushless usually go above 2k. But again, for crawler, brushed motor is better. Other branded brands also above 1k unfortunately.
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Awesome. But I'm curious - why are brushed motors better for crawlers?

That's somewhat counter-intuitive for RC pilots - we were so eager to dump brushed motors for brushless ones. Everyone had to put up with brushed motors when micro drones first arrived on the scene, but two years later when the teenie brushless motors came out we all dropped brushed motors like a bad habit, and nobody looked back after that.

Brushless motors are far more efficient and need little maintenance, they're pretty cheap and abundant nowadays too.
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post Jan 15 2019, 02:22 PM

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Got my RGT 18000 Rock Hammer last weekend. This thing weighs almost 3kg stock and will climb like a champ straight out of the box. The star of the show is definitely the beefy 6-pc vertical plates chassis that has so many mounting holes it begs to be modded.

It looks like SCX10 tranny & axles might fit, who knows?

My biggest gripe is that it turns like a barge and the stock TX could be better. Removing the front axle screws gains 2mm extra travel for the steering linkage, which helps but isn't a practical long term bodge.

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post Jan 15 2019, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 15 2019, 04:06 PM)
Nice! That was quick. Where did buy this?
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A toy shop called Pen Marketing or something out in Kepong. Saw their ad on Mudah, it was either the HSP Hammer (basically a Pangolin with a black Jeep body) for RM550 or this one for RM650.

Gotta admit, the urge to mod is insane. SupermotoXL was right... a RM650 crawler will quickly cost RM1K in no time at all.
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post Jan 16 2019, 09:37 AM

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Couldn't help it, tangan gatal...

Yep, looks like this honkin' metal frame will take scale bodies with minimal fuss.

Gearbox mounting holes are different than SCX10 ones by just a few mm. 87T main spur is plastic, it will be the first to be upgraded. Will split the gearbox later to add lithium grease as I suspect it's bone dry in there.

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post Feb 11 2019, 04:12 PM

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Hey guys, I got a set of dual rate 120mm shocks (the kind with 2 springs per shock).

Where can I get some softer springs so that I can dial in some droop/sag?

Preferably a physical shop, coz I'll probably need to manually compare the spring rates.
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post Mar 31 2020, 08:01 PM

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Nothing better to do than completely gutting my RGT Rockhammer & turning it into a 4-wheel steering brushless crawler using SCX10 parts.

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post Mar 31 2020, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Mar 31 2020, 10:19 PM)
Great 2WS mods, i see you've added wider hex hub extension for stability.  How much current amp does each servo consume?
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These are D3625 25kg HV digital servos. I haven't tested them for current draw, but other 25kg servos are known to pull anything between 5a-7a I think.

Usually if you want to run 2x 25kg servos at 7.4v, it's a foregone conclusion that you'll hv to power both suckers off a seperate BEC anyway to avoid browning out the ESC.

For that, I got this fella right here. 2x output terminals + selectable voltage, stacks of headroom at 20 amps.

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The motor is a brushed 540 45T (not brushless), it will run off a Hobbywing Quickrun WP ESC.

Do you know how to fit wheels meant for 14mm hex to a 12mm hex axle? I ordered a set of 2.2" rims... sekali tengok rupanya 14mm... cilakakk...
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post Apr 4 2020, 03:00 AM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Apr 1 2020, 09:04 PM)
Btw where did you buy those 20A SBEC?...shopp?  I need to get one for my project.

As for 14mm wheel on 12mm hex i remember putting shims of extra thin plastic to 'force' press fit in.  Just need to carefully balance all around it, it should work.
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20amp switching BEC:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/40007067492...earchweb201603_



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post Apr 4 2020, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(ShaolinTiger @ Apr 3 2020, 10:42 PM)
You have to glue 12mm hex adaptors in making sure you centre them properly on an axel when you place them.

Similar to glueing hex adaptor into Tamiya style rim made for freewheel with bearings.
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Okay... what do these 14mm to 12mm in-wheel hex adaptors look like? Where to get them?

I've seen those sleeve types that slip onto the 12mm axle hex to size it up to 14mm in order to mount a 14mm hex wheel, but they're twice the cost of buying a new set of 12mm hex rims!

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post Apr 12 2020, 02:55 PM

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Well my 2.2" alloys finally arrived. Although it said 14mm hex mount in the fine print (which I missed), happily they screwed it up & sent me 12mm ones instead! So they fit right away! Problem averted.

My RGT Rockhammer / FTX Mauler chassis & drivetrain have now been completely rebuilt with SCX10 parts.

The only grief so far:

1) The wheel extenders bind against the axle, creating a significant amt of resistance. The locking pins had to be forced in. I guess the motor will just hv to wear them out by force to free them up.

2) The upper suspension links won't clear the servos when the suspension is fully extended, limiting articulation. Either I get new low profile servos (I won't), or get new ones that are 10mm longer with dogleg design.





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post Apr 13 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Apr 13 2020, 10:13 AM)
Everything on RGT mods looks shiny blink! And looks super tall! Nice!  drool.gif

(1) As for the wheel extender bind against the axle you can solve it by putting a thing metal collar same size as axle outer bearing collar so that the extender will sit on the bearing's rotating collar than press fit friction.  If you look at your original 12mm hex hub from behind you'll understand what i meant.  If you don't have that metal collar you can build your own using thin hard wire and round it into rings or use sliced of ball point pen spring.


Interesting! Thanks I check it out!

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(2) Since your suspension setup is quite high for the servo to reach best is to put the servo back directly on top of the axle just like traditional AX-10 type mount.
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Yeah it's mounted on the axle, but the mounting plate sits so far back that the rear of the servo blocks the upper links. I managed to solve this problem by flipping the mounting plate around 180-deg, which shifts the servo fwd by 15mm to clear the upper links completely. Now I get full articulation.

Will do the wiring & electronics next weekend.


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post Apr 14 2020, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Apr 13 2020, 11:24 PM)
Did you already bought 2.2 tires for your new wheel or use back stock RGT tires?
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The stock RGT ones are glued on already. Looking to buy new rubbers maybe next month or after our office reopens (musn't let the wife kantoi me receiving yet another package of toy parts otherwise she will hiam me to death).

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post Apr 19 2020, 02:18 AM

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Basic wiring checks out! Hooray!! The ESC runs, the RX runs, the lights run & the motor runs.

This overdue build is slowly taking shape, finally...


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post Apr 20 2020, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(SupermotoXL @ Apr 19 2020, 06:11 PM)
Looking good, i can see the two wheel steering running parallel.  :thumbsup:
How did you program the 2WS servo to steer in various configuration?
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My FS-GT5 radio TX has a crawler function that allows the rear servo to be engaged on channel 3. Straight out of the box, the TX menu gives me the option to do front wheel steering, rear wheel steering, F+R steering same direction & F+R steering opposite directions.

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