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 Buying a car at RM85K. Compare & Recommend me plz., Kia FORTE, Ford FIESTA, Toyota VIOS...

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ezwann
post Jan 8 2012, 08:29 PM

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maybe the upcoming Elantra or exora bold?
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post Jan 8 2012, 08:32 PM

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May consider Suzuki sx4? Drives just like Suzuki swift, smooth ride, direct import from japan
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post Jan 8 2012, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(bushyboy105 @ Jan 8 2012, 08:26 PM)
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Hm?

I have heard good things about the SX4... but does a SUV really make sense for you?
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post Jan 8 2012, 08:47 PM

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SX4 is already above RM90k..
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post Jan 8 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 8 2012, 05:12 PM)
Why didn't dare to try higher? The way the car feels? Scared of summon? Only poor roads in your area? In a modern car of that size 140 shouldn't feel dangerous or unstable. Xsara does 160-170 with ease... it's a bit loud, and the engine really struggles, but other than that... no worries. Touran 190 easily, Ford Galaxy too. Golf+ as well. Even a Skoda Fabia felt quite safe at 200+ on the Autobahn... ok, I wasn't driving, and the road conditions didn't make it feel that safe (snow, slippery, ...), but the car itself was fine.
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My only experience with a Kia was with the cee'd Sporty Wagon and tyres with spikes, on snowy roads chasing after moose.  (so different car in very different conditions). It felt quite a bit cheaper than a Golf, but well, it is a quite a bit cheaper car. It was in all aspects inferior, but still not too bad. You get what you pay for. I'd say better than the Xsara (however I enjoy the not too stiff ride of that one on uneven surfaces, sometimes contis feel just too uncomfortable... I'm looking to you, VW), but it's also a newer car.
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Autobahn? Snow? err sir are u from europe posting on lyn or how? some more kia cee'd is not sold here..

nvm..i ll get to the point..wat i meant 100-140 is cruising speed, even at corners, uphill or downhill..tried up to 170 downhill few times and still stable no vibration, floating feeling..only the tyre roar is louder..

yes if malaysia got the road and road users mentality like in germany, i would love to drive on my forte 200kmh on A5 Frankfurt - Mannheim!
but it s a dream, back to reality in msia wink.gif

at 110kmh, rpm slightly below 3k..i d say 2.9k..mine is 4 speed, pre - fl..
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post Jan 8 2012, 10:14 PM

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any feedback with the 6-speed 1 for FORTE?
both forte and fiesta have 6-speed. the more gear the lesser the FC? or the higher the speed only?
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post Jan 8 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(nite_eif @ Jan 8 2012, 09:02 PM)
Autobahn? Snow? err sir are u from europe posting on lyn or how? some more kia cee'd is not sold here..

nvm..i ll get to the point..wat i meant 100-140 is cruising speed, even at corners, uphill or downhill..tried up to 170 downhill few times and still stable no vibration, floating feeling..only the tyre roar is louder..

yes if malaysia got the road and road users mentality like in germany, i would love to drive on my forte 200kmh on A5 Frankfurt - Mannheim!
but it s a dream, back to reality in msia wink.gif

at 110kmh, rpm slightly below 3k..i d say 2.9k..mine is 4 speed, pre - fl..
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I'm half European, currently living in Malaysia. It's a shame that they do not bring the cee'd here, it's a decent and affordable Golf competitor.

I see, then my worries are nullified, the Forte can handle high speeds, it's just the driver. biggrin.gif

The toll highways I have driven around JB are in good condition, only thing is it's a bit narrow (on the Autobahn you could probably squeeze in 2 cars per lane, plus an emergency lane for cars that have broken down. On the other hand they might not be very even (potholes are all fixed and they do warn/limit the speed if the road isn't in good condition), and there often is enough traffic to make you slow down).

Do consider that the Forte will only as a 2.0 have (almost) all the safety features that the Fiesta sedan has.

What gearbox does the Forte have? They only mention 6 speed auto, so... will that be a regular auto gearbox? Then FC won't be as good, the gearbox in general should be inferior to that of the Fiesta.

Anyway, 6 speed has the advantage that the engine can stay in the revs that make the most sense at the moment. Let's say for optimum performance the 1.4 in the Xsara has to be kept between 4000 and 5500 rpm, while for optimum FC the revs should be as low as possible. Would I have a 3 speed auto, the gearbox can't do that most of the time. Performance will suffer and the engine has to revs higher than necessary (i.e. the engine would deliver enough power at lower revs). 4 speed is a bit better, 5 and 6 of course better yet. CVT with an infinite number of gears, when properly set up, is even better (but people don't like it because it sounds and feels weird).
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post Jan 8 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(bushyboy105 @ Jan 8 2012, 12:49 AM)
Bro, sorry for noob question. But what is C-segment car? What is the meaning of CKD and CBU? And DSG gearbox what is that?

And how about their maintenance price and after sales service quality?
I know they will be more expensive than those common car like Toyota and Honda, but is it really really expensive?
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Car is categorized into segment, it goes from A to D. It is a way to categorized size of car.
A-Segment is where all the supermini comes in, cars like Mini cooper, MyVi, Suzuki Alto and etc which are small.
B-Segment is where all your entry level sedan are, these are typically cars like City, Vios, Mazda 2 and etc.
C-Segment is cars like Altis, Civic, Mazda 3, Forte and etc.
D-Segment is cars like Camry, Accord and etc.

CKD means Completely Knocked Down car. Meaning the cars is assembled locally and uses a certain percentage of parts sourced locally. This is to lower down the car taxes, so the manufacturer can sell them more competitively.
CBU means Completely Built Up car. Meaning the whole car is imported from oversea. It is not locally assembled.

DSG, generally means a dual clutch auto transmission gearbox. Normal gearbox is single clutch. I am not sure if it is Volkswagen first comes out with it, but i remember seeing Volkwagen cars has it first. Splendid thing.

Try google about it somemore. Plenty of resources online. smile.gif

Addendum : I think the newest Fiesta comes in 7 airbag, last one is for the knee. Not sure if Fiesta sedan has it, but the hot hatch has it.

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Jan 8 2012, 10:52 PM
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post Jan 9 2012, 12:23 AM

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Oh, very cool. The sedan was the first to have 7 airbags, while the hatches all had only 2. Now the expensive hatch also have it? Very nice, can finally also recommend the hatch for those who prefer the looks of it (and who doesn't).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZFvC-AvEg&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoK3wLihs7w
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post Jan 9 2012, 01:41 AM

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I think i have my answer based on online information..
But i will still go for a test drive for Forte & Fiesta. smile.gif
wanted to ask... how long will a person to pay installment for the car? I think i am going for the 7 years 1.
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1st time buy car.. go for reliable second hand first.. after 2 years you wont be wrong choosing watever new cars that really suits you and gives you less hassle.. the only reason buying new car for the first time is just to tell ppl you're doing well and are able to afford it.. just my 2 cents..
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post Jan 9 2012, 11:46 AM

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I am already driving a 30 yes old Nissan sunny till today. I am in a family and we have already bought a few cars some new some 2nd hand. And now I think it's time to change a new car.
Really disappointed with the space of Nissan sentry, it looks big outside but small like hell inside.
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post Jan 9 2012, 01:29 PM

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So going for the Vios? Test drive that one too.
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QUOTE(Madgeiser @ Jan 8 2012, 10:44 PM)
Car is categorized into segment, it goes from A to D. It is a way to categorized size of car.
A-Segment is where all the supermini comes in, cars like Mini cooper, MyVi, Suzuki Alto and etc which are small.
B-Segment is where all your entry level sedan are, these are typically cars like City, Vios, Mazda 2 and etc.
C-Segment is cars like Altis, Civic, Mazda 3, Forte and etc.
D-Segment is cars like Camry, Accord and etc.

CKD means Completely Knocked Down car. Meaning the cars is assembled locally and uses a certain percentage of parts sourced locally. This is to lower down the car taxes, so the manufacturer can sell them more competitively.
CBU means Completely Built Up car. Meaning the whole car is imported from oversea. It is not locally assembled.

DSG, generally means a dual clutch auto transmission gearbox. Normal gearbox is single clutch. I am not sure if it is Volkswagen first comes out with it, but i remember seeing Volkwagen cars has it first. Splendid thing.

Try google about it somemore. Plenty of resources online.  smile.gif

Addendum : I think the newest Fiesta comes in 7 airbag, last one is for the knee. Not sure if Fiesta sedan has it, but the hot hatch has it.
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DSG is a term registered by VW, same as the term GTI...

other dual clutches uses terms like Power Shift (Ford), etc...
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post Jan 10 2012, 10:49 AM

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DSG will shift gears faster?
So this also means keep the car more quietly?
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post Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM

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Not more quietly (that's the noise insulation they use...), but well, faster. Very fast. It's what Nissan uses in the GT-R. I thought the gearshifts were very smooth in the Touran, except when using the paddles for downshifting, then there was a slight jerk (going to quite high revs though).

Also since a DSG is basically a manual gearbox using real clutches it behaves a bit like a manual one. Low FC compared to the regular torque converter auto gearboxes, but also rolling back when standing on a hill while in drive (at least the Touran does that, however I think there is a feature where you have to press the brakes a bit harder while standing still, then the car will engage the brakes until you press the accelerator. smile.gif Not sure how Ford solved it.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM)
Not more quietly (that's the noise insulation they use...), but well, faster. Very fast. It's what Nissan uses in the GT-R. I thought the gearshifts were very smooth in the Touran, except when using the paddles for downshifting, then there was a slight jerk (going to quite high revs though).

Also since a DSG is basically a manual gearbox using real clutches it behaves a bit like a manual one. Low FC compared to the regular torque converter auto gearboxes, but also rolling back when standing on a hill while in drive (at least the Touran does that, however I think there is a feature where you have to press the brakes a bit harder while standing still, then the car will engage the brakes until you press the accelerator. smile.gif Not sure how Ford solved it.
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Added on January 10, 2012, 4:08 pmvios is actually smaller than the Ford Fiesta eh?
And actually i thought that vios is actually quite big enough for 5.
If fiesta is bigger than it, i think the size is actually quite ok. but i havent have physical look on the Fiesta SEDAN yet. sad.gif
will go see it next week.


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QUOTE(bushyboy105 @ Jan 10 2012, 04:05 PM)
NICE!~~  rclxms.gif


Added on January 10, 2012, 4:08 pmvios is actually smaller than the Ford Fiesta eh?
And actually i thought that vios is actually quite big enough for 5.
If fiesta is bigger than it, i think the size is actually quite ok. but i havent have physical look on the Fiesta SEDAN yet. sad.gif
will go see it next week.
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Interior for both sport and sedan is exactly the same.. it only the boot size difference.. come my showroom have a look rclxms.gif
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I still think Ford is foolish for not adding 2 paddles (how expensive can that be?!).

@Jim.tan: Is it true that the sport also has 7 airbags now?
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post Jan 10 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 10 2012, 10:05 PM)
I still think Ford is foolish for not adding 2 paddles (how expensive can that be?!).

@Jim.tan: Is it true that the sport also has 7 airbags now?
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hmmm? what paddles do you mean?

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