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mdnosz
post Feb 23 2012, 04:41 PM

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Fizikal kita dh ade, tp teknik n mental kureng la, amer muslim fahdli..baru 3 org ..cr lagi taller central defend, jaga diet supaya thn lasak sket, improve teknikal aspect (thn bola, passing, timing tackle, positioning), mental ni bley improve thru experience, ..mcm2 lak ahahaha! Cakap2 je boley la...
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post Feb 23 2012, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 23 2012, 03:17 PM)
Amer Saidin(180cm) dan Fadhli Shas(184cm) pun tidak kalah jika dibandingkan dengan pertahanan tengah mereka
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defender kita mmg tinggi bro... tapi semalam target man utk long ball tactics tak menjadi lah, thamil arasu dgn syakir asyik kalah je dgn defender jepun.
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post Feb 23 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Feb 23 2012, 12:02 PM)
AYE !
betul tu, 30 menet pertama mmg boleh control, tapi lepas je bolos 1 goal dah hilang tumpuan dah.

aku rasa peluang paling bagus masa thamil arasu shot on target. tp sayang dia tendang lemah sikit
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lemah sikit ke?? entah la macam serupa nak tendang tak nak tendang je..

semalam benda nombor #1 paling teruk rasanya ialah teknik positioning.. bahagian tengah dari defender hingga la ke bahagian striker banyak betul masalah.. disiplin tak kemas langsung. sad.gif
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post Feb 23 2012, 05:23 PM

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lemah sikit ke?? entah la macam serupa nak tendang tak nak tendang je..

semalam benda nombor #1 paling teruk rasanya ialah teknik positioning.. bahagian tengah dari defender hingga la ke bahagian striker banyak betul masalah.. disiplin tak kemas langsung.  sad.gif
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and player kita kurang kebolehan tektikal, player jepun senang2 je lepas and dribble player malaysia..... player jepun lebih techinically gifted, fast and have the mentality to play good football.
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post Feb 23 2012, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Feb 23 2012, 04:27 PM)
Sape ke ckp aritu nak tarik johan cruyff bkak skolah bola kat sini. Jadi ke?

Bolasepak malaysia main mcm tkde hala tuju la.. Berangan nak main wrld cup tp taknak kaji how to make it happen..yg tau sumbang duit, buat tornment , skolah bola byk, frenly sana sini, tp coach n teknikal staff nye ituu jugak..kene tarik teknikal staff import yg tau mcm mana cara yg betul..kene someone yg prnah rasa main wrldcup or pnh rasa sendri system training brtaraf dunia..

Mungkin kita prnah ada dulu, tp atas sbb2 manjakan sgt player sampai komplen psl training teruk, itu batch lama. Tknak try lg ke? Kali ni batch berbeza, penyokong pon dh makin matang
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rasanya lebih baik panggil pulang anak tempatan bernama Lim Teong Kim yang jadi coach Thomas Muller dan juga pasukan junior bayern munich... untuk projek olimpik malaysia yang seterusnya dengan dibantu oleh jurulatih Ong Kim Swee yang sudah berjaya bawa pulang pingat emas sukan sea ni walaupun skuad ni sebenarnya dibina untuk kelayakan olimpik.

semalam yang saya nampak masalah paling besar ialah teknik positioning memang hancur betul, pemain selalu tak ada di posisi dia.. adakah sebab moral dah jatuh atau sebab dah penat ke tatau la.

kalau perasan semalam sebelum game nak habis, malaysia ada satu peluang keemasan nak jaringkan gol, tapi striker dah pergi mana ntah.. kesian kat wing bawa bola dari bawah tak ada orang pula nak support kat atas.

jurulatih kelahiran malaysia bernama lim teong kim yang pernah merajuk dengan FAM kemudiaannya jadi jurulatih khas Thomas Muller di jerman
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barca main total football atau di sepanyol dinamakan tiki taka, ideanya pada asalnya dibawa oleh Johan Cruyff dari belanda

tengok apa yang jurulatih kelahiran malaysia bernama Lim Teong Kim ajar kepada Thomas Muller tentang teknik positioning yang betul untuk kalahkan permaianan total football belanda.. memang bagus.. kalah terus belanda dengan jerman


Asian (Malaysian) hand in Muller’s meteoric rise

Thomas Muller has taken the world by storm but not many people know that an Asian, and to be precise, a Malaysian, is instrumental in his rapid rise to stardom.

Bayern Munich Academy product Muller, 20, wreaked havoc in his first major tournament for Germany scoring four goals and helping the three-time champions reach the FIFA World Cup semi-finals in South Africa.

Former Malaysian international Lim Teong Kim, who is working with German Bundesliga giants Bayern Munich since 2000, was the witness of this young hotshot’s development process.

“Muller was not a gifted footballer but he is very dedicated and determined,” said Lim, who is now an assistant coach of Bayern’s U-19 squad.

Lim, who was the first Malaysian footballer to ply his trade in Europe when he turned out for Hertha Berlin, a then third division team in 1987, has worked together with Muller and another rising star of the formidable German side in South Africa, centre-back Holger Badstuber, when he was coaching the Bayern U-13 and U-14 teams.

Eight of his trainees then, have graduated to the Bayern U-19 team with Muller and Badstuber the most outstanding among all.

Lim, who was part of Malaysia’s SEA Games winning side in 1989, said in an interview: "Muller was not as gifted as some of his teammates in the youth teams but he made it big because of his dedication to training and matches. This is the same case with Badstuber."

Muller, who is suspended for the semi-final against European champions Spain on Wednesday, is joint top scorer with his club and national team senior Miroslav Klose and is also in line for the Best Young Player award and Golden Boot in this year’s World Cup.

Malacca-born Lim, 47, also had a brief stint with Austrian second division outfit, Gak Graz in 1990.

Fluent in German, Lim is a holder of both Malaysia Football Association (FAM) Advanced Coaching Certificate and German Football Association (DFB) Master Coaching Licence.

Lim, who was capped 75 times for Malaysia and played for Malacca, Selangor, Negri Sembilan, Kuala Lumpur and Kedah, is born in a sporting family.

His elder brothers, Kim Chon, Chuan Chin and Hong Guan, are all coaches at different levels. Kim Chon was former AFC Technical Director while Chuan Chin and Hong Guan both specialise in coaching goalkeepers for the national teams.

These three and another elder brother, Seng Koon, have played at the state level at one time or another. Seng Koon represented Johor and Armed Forces, Kim Chon played for Malacca and KL, Chuan Chin for Malacca, Perak, Pahang, Selangor and Kuala Lumpur and Hong Guan as goalkeeper for Malacca and Selangor.

Lim, who married a German, has three children - who are all involved in sports.

"My son, who is now 16, was in the Under-12 Bayern Munich team but he now represents his school. As for my two daughters, the older one is into rock climbing while the other is involved in athletics," said Lim.

Lim’s experience could be of some help for Asian players who are looking for their adventure in Europe.

"When I went there (Germany) in the late 1980s, I faced many challenges including language barrier, weather, food and competition from teammates. These factors may affect the player’s mentally and confidence.

"The European leagues are very challenging and a person on trial with a club normally gets a cold shoulder from other players. You have no friends in the club as your teammates are thinking about their own importance in the team. They feel you are a threat to them.

“It was like that when I attended trials with Hertha Berlin," he said.

source from official AFC website : http://www.the-afc.com/en/features/29623-a...s-meteoric-rise

Thomas Muller a successful germany football product made by malaysian born coach name Lim Teong Kim


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post Feb 23 2012, 06:00 PM

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Bunyamin dan Asrar pun agak tinggi juga,walaupun Asrar lebih sesuai bermain sebagai pertahanan tepi dan Bunyamin pula....beliau perlu memperbaiki lagi tahap permainan beliau


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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Feb 23 2012, 04:24 PM)
aku rasa kena macam tu la....  maksud aku skuad nasional patut datang dari pemain muda yang main dengan 'club' liga tempatan... macam jepun punya team...
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memang sepatutnya macam itu,tetapi dengan kebanyakkan pasukan lebih mengutamakan pemain sedia ada(dan import) berbanding membangunkan pemain-pemain muda,maka jalan terbaik ialah menghimpunkan semua pemain muda berbakat negara dalam satu pasukan(ataupun 2...yakni HMA dan HMB)

sekarang semakin ramai pasukan negeri dan kelab cuba mencari bakat-bakat baru untuk diketengahkan(samada daripada penubuhan akademi bolasepak ataupun daripada kelab penyumbang).namun saya merasakan yang kita cuma dapat melihat hasilnya(dari segi peningkatan mutu permainan serta penghasilan pemain yang lebih baik daripada sekarang) sekurang-kurangnya 4,5 tahun daripada sekarang.

oleh itu,selagi liga tempatan tidak mempunyai daya saing yang cukup untuk membangunkan pemain yang berkualiti,penubuhan Harimau Muda dilihat masih releven

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post Feb 23 2012, 08:11 PM

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lagu semalam masa Malaysia vs Jepun.. lebih kurang je bunyi dia rasanya..

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post Feb 23 2012, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Feb 23 2012, 04:27 PM)
Sape ke ckp aritu nak tarik johan cruyff bkak skolah bola kat sini. Jadi ke?

Bolasepak malaysia main mcm tkde hala tuju la.. Berangan nak main wrld cup tp taknak kaji how to make it happen..yg tau sumbang duit, buat tornment , skolah bola byk, frenly sana sini, tp coach n teknikal staff nye ituu jugak..kene tarik teknikal staff import yg tau mcm mana cara yg betul..kene someone yg prnah rasa main wrldcup or pnh rasa sendri system training brtaraf dunia..

Mungkin kita prnah ada dulu, tp atas sbb2 manjakan sgt player sampai komplen psl training teruk, itu batch lama. Tknak try lg ke? Kali ni batch berbeza, penyokong pon dh makin matang
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johan cryuff x sure...tapi FCB Escola Academy dah buka di Bogor, Indonesia...2 month ago IINM.
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post Feb 23 2012, 08:45 PM

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Sorry first half cerah. Aku tak check input punya brightness pastu tinggal je guna timer pegi stadium. 2nd half mujur housemate aku perasan
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dua benda je aku prasan..agility (kelincahan dan reaction) ngn teknik (first touch n passing) hancur..ini bkn psl xde semangat, jati diri or fizikal..kdg2 idea tu ade, tp x mampu nk tjemahkan sbb kurg 2 benda tu
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post Feb 24 2012, 12:52 AM

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memang ini la problem and alasan yg kite akan nampk (teknik diorang hebat,skill diorang tinggi,possesion kita teruk,takda skill) selagi tak berubah FAM ni...aku rasa bukan salah player bukan salah coach tapi salah FAM.. per kita ingat balik mcm mana squad senior kena ayam2 dgn pasukan australia.. sama jugakk kan situasi ke "ayaman" kita mcm apa yg happen smlm. maslah and teknik diorang ni pun lebih kurang kan. Tapi itulah hakikat player yg terbaik kita ada. kalo amik coach lain pun aku agak kesudahan dia pun sama jer kan. SO,kesimpulannya ROMBAK FAM..

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QUOTE(taiko2005 @ Feb 24 2012, 12:52 AM)
memang ini la problem and alasan yg kite akan nampk (teknik diorang hebat,skill diorang tinggi,possesion kita teruk,takda skill) selagi tak berubah FAM ni...aku rasa bukan salah player bukan salah coach tapi salah FAM.. per kita ingat balik mcm mana squad senior kena ayam2 dgn pasukan australia.. sama jugakk kan situasi ke "ayaman" kita mcm apa yg happen smlm. maslah and teknik diorang ni pun lebih kurang kan. Tapi itulah hakikat player yg terbaik kita ada. kalo amik coach lain pun aku agak kesudahan dia pun sama jer kan. SO,kesimpulannya ROMBAK FAM..
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jangan target tinggi sangat dulu..
cuba main dengan disiplin kemas, hafal semua taktik coach 90 minit dahulu dengan sempurna,
teknik positioning harimau muda ni banyak betul masalah masa group stage olympic ni..
ntah kenapa fokus diaorang, tiba-tiba lari, mental jadi lemah, atau mental jadi terlampau yakin.

dengar dengan tekun semua cakap coach, dan mental kena betul-betul kuat serta fokus..
bukannya tak boleh buat, kalau tak pasukan harimau muda ni tak menang la sukan sea.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Feb 24 2012, 02:10 AM)
jangan target tinggi sangat dulu..
cuba main dengan disiplin kemas, hafal semua taktik coach 90 minit dahulu dengan sempurna,
teknik positioning harimau muda ni banyak betul masalah masa group stage olympic ni..
ntah kenapa fokus diaorang, tiba-tiba lari, mental jadi lemah, atau mental jadi terlampau yakin.

dengar dengan tekun semua cakap coach, dan mental kena betul-betul kuat serta fokus..
bukannya tak boleh buat, kalau tak pasukan harimau muda ni tak menang la sukan sea.
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hack, cuba igt balik kata2 mak kau.
mak kau nak ko jadik cikgu!! bukan jadi hacker!! tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Green laser pointer spotted at PAOK vs Udinese match, for quite some time too. Seriously, i'm begin to think Malaysia football fan was treated unfairly and scrutinized regarding that incident by media and some foreign league fan. Said our people is uncivilized, uneducated etc. Really a witch hunt case.
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Added on February 23, 2012, 6:11 pm

memang sepatutnya macam itu,tetapi dengan kebanyakkan pasukan lebih mengutamakan pemain sedia ada(dan import) berbanding membangunkan pemain-pemain muda,maka jalan terbaik ialah menghimpunkan semua pemain muda berbakat negara dalam satu pasukan(ataupun 2...yakni HMA dan HMB)
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Macam Johor A & Johor B? Bagi aku expected results game lawan Jepun neh.. kalau lawan Bahrain pun tak lepas, inikan pula Jepun. Buat masa neh team kita level ASEAN je.. tgk AFC U22 nanti macamana pulak..
Tak payah ar nak mengharap kat Lee Teong Kim tuh selagi apa yang dia mintak FAM tak boleh bagi.. dia pun dah meluat nak bagi advice..
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 23 2012, 11:44 PM)

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ni thn 2000

selepas 12 tahun ...cuba peratikan style main lebey kurang sama je ..tahan bola tak betul, passing merapu, bila dpt bola je, tendang jauh2 ...hahahha

nama pasukan kebangsaan, tp kualiti mcm liga FAM ... doh.gif

player2 kene tengok video lama2 jadikan iktibar ..selepas 12 tahun takan nak main mcm tu lagi? c'mon la..

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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Feb 24 2012, 05:05 AM)
ni thn 2000

selepas 12 tahun ...cuba peratikan style main lebey kurang sama je ..tahan bola tak betul, passing merapu, bila dpt bola je, tendang jauh2 ...hahahha

nama pasukan kebangsaan, tp kualiti mcm liga FAM ...  doh.gif

player2 kene tengok video lama2 jadikan iktibar ..selepas 12 tahun takan nak main mcm tu lagi? c'mon la..
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aku rasa x adil buat perbandingan melalui 1 match je
*refer 2nd match = letih sea games. tp boleh bg good fight
3rd match = still fatigue..but managed to give great scare to opponent (yg spatutnye kita menang)
4th match = 50-50. ada ok ada lemau
5th match = ok OFF la. nampak player panik main bola

sbb bg aku mmg Malaysia off-day utk match vs japan.
biasalah. Real Madrid pon ada off day.

and kalau nak lagi kejam average umur team kita pun agak young meat disitu.
fandi-nazmi-irfan-kecik-fadli sas- amer- zubir (syahrul:sub) average 20-21. x tau la average japs berapa tapi for me we need to give more and more players utk main international.ye ini bunyik mcm alasan..tapi at the same time alasan yang positive. aku x brp sure kenapa muslim x main.

kalau performance wise, kat Japan kita lagi teruk kena ayam.. aku igt ada lah dalam first half tu berbelas shot dibuat oleh jepun masa 1st game haritu.
tapi managed to keep discipline at the back and limit the scoreline.

this time kita berani sikit utk push forward & unlucky, it costs us.
cuba baca comment wartawan haresh deol, kebetulan dia pon mempunyai pandangan sama mcm aku
http://www.mmail.com.my/story/tigers%E2%80...actics-backfire

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betul tu syazwan. walaupon kat sini kita kalah lagi banyak dari kat sana, at least kat sini kita dah dapat imbangkan game walaupun cuma untok most of the first half

dan kalau nak kaji balik semua gol, semua ada cerita sendiri yang mana tersangatlah boleh kita improve

gol 1 - tak alert defensive organization masa attack, end up menggelabah bila kena counter
gol 2 - salah defend sebab tak challenge + salah Apek sebab keluar dari line bila tak mungkin dia akan dapat bola
gol 3 - salah Apek, terang dan nyata
gol 4 - ni bola offside ni, taktau la awat kita tak komplen kat ref masa tu

so credit where its due, kita on the right track sekarang. dan tak bole nak angan2 tinggi sangat dalam masa yang pendek, kena ada aturan dia. buat secara terancang, baru la sustainable nanti

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