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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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ngweichoong
post Jan 16 2012, 05:29 PM

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I would give up if 1.8 is >100K because :
1. The Hyundai Car Quality still no good in consumer perception. Not competitive with Japan car also.
2. Second hand value drop faster than japan car.
3. Service quality still bad perception .
4. Spare part management still like a shit.
If you study Hyundai another local assembly car i10, a lot of customer suffer from the car quality problem. Some spare park need to wait more than 3 month. But if you don't mind then you can go for it.
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post Jan 19 2012, 01:57 PM

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Think twice before take Hyundai Car.
1. The Tucson car has the cap of the fuel tank under the back seat. Which means there have the "fuel tank access" at the back seat.
2.Both Front Door can easily be open eventhough already locked from inside.. just simply pull the door latch. Highlight to SC, they claim that so call future design.
If above is the fact, the Hyundai car is just have a nice look but the customer safety not the priority concern in the car design concept. Further more if you go to access below link , you will find that a lot of customer struggle in Hyundai bad service .
http://www.facebook.com/hyundaimalaysia

ngweichoong
post Jan 22 2012, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 21 2012, 05:42 PM)
During my training we were able to compare several cars with the Elantra, specifically, Nissan Sylphy and Honda Civic. Out of the scale of 5, The average points difference between all 3 car was only 0.4 points, now if SD train us to bring down our competitor only, the gap would be significantly bigger. If something is better than the other and we said so, we merely brought our advantage up, not bring our competitor down.

Learn to stomach facts, don't just simply say we're bringing other people down just to compete.

The major problem comes when you undercut your competitors by too much. Take for example the Sonata, since it's priced a good 7-8k cheaper than the Camry/Accord, it now make the gap between d segment and c segment Hyundai narrower, and now everybody is sayiing Elantra being too expensive. I think I mentioned this before, if Elantra undercut the competitors too much, it'll be a problem for HSDM to price the Accent, the whole cycle continues. And I would like to remind everybody again, the cost of Elantra and Forte is different, despite being sister companies or sharing platform.

If anyone is still puzzled by why Elantra can't price the same way as Forte, assuming the Elantra is above 100k for the lowest spec, I would suggest you read back what I said before. Different business, different cost, different way of peddling their products.

I wonder how KIA is going to price their b-segment car if they launch one, at Proton killing price maybe? That is if the government approve that price. Price it too close and it'll kill the Forte, price it too low at Proton's price... wait, that is impposible.

Here's an interesting thing about CKD Hyundai. The parts came with Hyundai logo attached to it, they simply take it out and replace the Inokom badge on it, but seems like logo is a big fuss to many people here.
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The spec definitely is higher than T or H, but it doesn't means the quality is good. A lot of previous Hyundai customer even i10 struggle with spare part, bad SC...
Although T and H occasionally also have the same problem , but the Hyundai reputation is still worse than T and H. No doubt , Hyundai design technology progress advance this few year but yet no prove the car quality is same as T and H. For me , i prefer pick the new car give me less problem rather than high technology but with fault intermittent. In fact, i'm also one of the people who waiting the new elantra as my Iswara has been used for 13 years. But since the elantra price is same/higher than H, i will chose civic. Just because the market perception for Hyundai quality is still bad, i don't want to take the higher risk to get the problematic car. Also, although Hyundai car now come with high technology, but look like the SC, Spare Part management still unable to fulfill this requirement.

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post Jan 27 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 01:43 PM)
what's there to discuss here? will any discussion here change SD pricing policy?

will i pay 120k for THIS car? Wait for 20th Feb.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Elantra 2011 with price 105K-120K is AIM on the die hard buyer who ready to sacrifice for any potential risk, like no spare part or bad service . Lunchtime go ahead with Elantra, without you Kia, Cheverolet....can't sustain their business in Malaysia. Don't withdraw after read the statement brows.gif


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post Jan 27 2012, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Jan 27 2012, 03:01 PM)
Elantra 2011 with price 105K-120K is AIM on the die hard buyer who ready to sacrifice for any potential risk, like no spare part or bad service . Lunchtime go ahead with Elantra, without you Kia, Cheverolet....can't sustain their business in Malaysia. Don't withdraw after read the statement brows.gif
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I'm not sure how accurate your logic. But if the Elantra is more than RM105K than i will take Nissan Teana icon_idea.gif
What is the logic here my dear ?
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post Jan 27 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 03:10 PM)
comparing Teana with Elantra, where's your logic?  rclxms.gif
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The logic is i'm looking for the car that worth for money. Understand My Dear brows.gif


Added on January 27, 2012, 2:35 pm
QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Jan 27 2012, 03:29 PM)
The logic is i'm looking for the car that worth for money. Understand My Dear  brows.gif
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Price doesn't matter but i'm care on worth for money. I don't think you able to understand the logic brows.gif

This post has been edited by ngweichoong: Jan 27 2012, 02:35 PM
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post Jan 27 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 03:05 PM)
you haven't a clue about what you are talking about, its people like you who generates the rumour mill. hahaha DF.
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DF ? no... we are definitely not isomorphic, i'm human. Do you know what is the concept of "Money" ? of course no tongue.gif . You only able to understand "Money" is used to Buy something like food...car?? hmm.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 03:44 PM)
what makes you think SD will take your views into account?

sad truth is, the blame is on yourself for not making enough money, however like most people, we don't see ourselves at fault, thus it must the the fault of others and in this case, its SD's fault for purported high pricing.

as for value for $, if this car is given a spec sheet longer than a toilet roll, why must it be cheaper than a H or T? are you basing it on the perceived value of the car? do you think SD will have the same views as well?

forummers here present a small sample of the population and not everyone thinks alike. expensive or otherwise is relative to your income.
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Yes, if the SPEC has been prove and get confidence of the major market share. What is the point if the car come with a lot of advance technology but bad quality ..when after few year malfunction this and that...At that time you will think i simply need a car that take me with safety and stability. Understand my dear ? brows.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 03:47 PM)
so you are saying buy even if you cannot afford?


Added on January 27, 2012, 2:48 pm
which Segment D car is 120k?


Added on January 27, 2012, 2:49 pm
so tell me what is the concept of Money.
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The Money is the complex concept only appear in Human. I don't think you able to understand even i spend 100 years to educate you.... whistling.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 03:58 PM)
please read my posting and understand the meaning of it, rather than simply firing blindly.


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if the car hasn't been launched, how do you know its bad quality? have you actually sat in the car or driven one yourself?  hmm.gif
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How do you know the car is good quality ? I don't mind to paid 120K if Hyundai make me believe their car quality is same like H and T, BUT NOW IS NOT
Hai..still not able to understand human economy doh.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 27 2012, 04:09 PM)
like i said, understand what i am trying to say before you start shooting.


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didn't i mention to wait till Feb20th?  whistling.gif
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Lunchtime, i guess your real identity either Hyundai salesmen or Elantra 2011 Died Hard fan. Even you are Elantra Fan you are also a "poor" Died Hard fan...the way you deal with "Money".....
Anyway please..please go ahead with Elantra 2011 even with the price RM120K. Don't withdraw drool.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Oink @ Jan 27 2012, 04:17 PM)
been driving 2 honda over a 9 yrs period and i don't see the quality is tat good!

Waiting for the rite car to move on.
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In market, the Honda quality reputation is higher then Hyundai and that is why the Honda second hand value drop slower than Hyundai. Of course no one can get 100% perfect car but as the consumer may need to reduce the risk to get the bad car before the money still in their pocket. No one always like to struggle with the service center even give 5 year warranty....
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Chongkor @ Jan 27 2012, 04:43 PM)
Really wasting time to "discuss" with you, did your comman sense tell you or ever see Customer direct deal with Distributor (SD) and not their vendor (Hyundai) ? if this is the way then Hyundai no need to open a thread in Facebook and here.
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I suspect lunchtime is the Hyundai salesman . Think twice if really want to take the Hyundai car....Look their salesmen totally not pro enough ........
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post Feb 18 2012, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 18 2012, 04:50 PM)
like that die loh this car so many potential customer may run away.
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Obviously Hyundai Malaysia is really like a shit, no matter is Service,Marketing even Quality like Tuson..i10 . I don't want to sped a money to buy a car that cause me nightmare. I device to give up Elantra and go for Ford.
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post Feb 18 2012, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Chongkor @ Feb 18 2012, 09:08 PM)
The CKD one is SantaFe and i10..Tucson is fully cbu?
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Not sure. But there have a lot of negative feedback for the Hyundai car quality and Service in the Facebook,Cari ,Autoworld.... Especially the non-solve intermittent problem become their customer nightmare further more SC not care at all. What for if you buy the new car with the nice look but always create the various problem ??
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post Feb 21 2012, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(JC999 @ Feb 21 2012, 03:48 PM)
wow.. at least UMW listen to Prius C fans and priced it below 100k.

I hope SD does the same too...

Go learn from UMW
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