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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 13 2012, 10:25 PM)
agreed... these models are suppose to save wads left of their reputation....
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Absolutely - I guess there must be some truth in the what the salesman said. I called one of the salesman in Kah Bintang, said the same thing RM115k for 1.8...sweet jesus! shakehead.gif

I guess T &H salesman dun hav to worry...

I guess this might follow I30's fate, poorly priced... how many I30's do you see on the road nowadays?
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:35 PM)
EVerybody should go to the link and slam Hyundai nicely. If we dont do that now, the price will be crap when it is launched. We can make this happen. FLood their Facebook page with comments bout their crap pricing.
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Someone's talk.. nice!!
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(hwh5587 @ Jan 13 2012, 04:12 PM)
hope that 1.6 version can <90K lol
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Same opinion if more than90k I won't consider it as well
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post Jan 14 2012, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Jan 13 2012, 10:23 PM)
Kia and Hyunda in Malaysia are doing good progress for the past 2 years. but K5's price and perhaps Elantra's price will slow down the progress.  smile.gif
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Put in a little effort, and you'll realize Hyundai's after sales services aren't as bad as many people say.

No complain from my customer so far, as long as I am in touch with the regular service centre I send them to. smile.gif
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post Jan 14 2012, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 14 2012, 12:12 AM)
Put in a little effort, and you'll realize Hyundai's after sales services aren't as bad as many people say.

No complain from my customer so far, as long as I am in touch with the regular service centre I send them to. smile.gif
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ure not disagreeing.. I guess its confirm to be 115k... sighz
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post Jan 14 2012, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 14 2012, 02:30 AM)
ure not disagreeing.. I guess its confirm to be 115k... sighz
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From the customer POV, nothing by HSDM is ever right.

But looking from HSDM's POV it's a different story. If I am going to stand up for both side I'd be really busy with dilemmas. If you think Hyundai overpriced their car, I can say the profit margin is narrower than many thought it is. Hyundai's car were never cheap, just that the profit margin is lower than most car giving the illusion that you are buying a cheaper car. Take for example the Sonata and Tucson never had over-trade higher than RM3,000. HSDM simply couldn't give that much.

Many like to compare the Elantra and Forte in term of pricing, that I don't want to comment much, because a certain group of fanboys will start leaping on me. If you've done enough research on this, you'll know why we're more expensive, but yet at the same time still well received. Majority of people who know where the true value of a Hyundai lies will never leap over to KIA or other brand, unless circumstances doesn't permit them.

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post Jan 14 2012, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 14 2012, 02:44 AM)
From the customer POV, nothing is ever right.

But looking from HSDM's POV it's a different story. If I am going to stand up for both side I'd be really busy with dilemmas. If you think Hyundai overpriced their car, I can say the profit margin is narrower than many thought it is. Hyundai's car were never cheap, just that the profit margin is lower than most car. Take for example the Sonata and Tucson never had over-trade higher than RM3,000. HSDM simply couldn't give that much.

Many like to compare the Elantra and Forte in term of pricing, that I don't want to comment much, because a certain group of fanboys will start leaping on me. If you've done enough research on this, you'll know why we're more expensive, but yet at the same time still well received.
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From fluidic comment, i suppose there is no point speculating too much. We will just have to wait for pricing announcement from HSDM.
For starters, i am not expecting 1.8L Elantra to be around the price of a 2.0L Forte, i am expecting it higher, but not too high. say 5-10%. That is just my own expectation.

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post Jan 14 2012, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 14 2012, 02:44 AM)
From the customer POV, nothing is ever right.

But looking from HSDM's POV it's a different story. If I am going to stand up for both side I'd be really busy with dilemmas. If you think Hyundai overpriced their car, I can say the profit margin is narrower than many thought it is. Hyundai's car were never cheap, just that the profit margin is lower than most car giving the illusion that you are buying a cheaper car. Take for example the Sonata and Tucson never had over-trade higher than RM3,000. HSDM simply couldn't give that much.

Many like to compare the Elantra and Forte in term of pricing, that I don't want to comment much, because a certain group of fanboys will start leaping on me. If you've done enough research on this, you'll know why we're more expensive, but yet at the same time still well received. Majority of people who know where the true value of a Hyundai lies will never leap over to KIA or other brand, unless circumstances doesn't permit them.
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customer is always right....

it's almost 20K more than forte.... my my....
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post Jan 14 2012, 04:45 AM

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hmm. that is just too bad. was seriously thinking of getting elantra due to its superb FC & stylish design. but if it is priced around 110k-115k for a CKD 1.8 with Inokom branding, I would prefer to get a Mazda 3 2.0 CKD at $122k with insure. I dun even mind a 1.6 at $102k with insure. Oh well, we shall see.
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post Jan 14 2012, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(etseleste @ Jan 14 2012, 04:45 AM)
hmm. that is just too bad. was seriously thinking of getting elantra due to its superb FC & stylish design. but if it is priced around 110k-115k for a CKD 1.8 with Inokom branding, I would prefer to get a Mazda 3 2.0 CKD at $122k with insure. I dun even mind a 1.6 at $102k with insure. Oh well, we shall see.
Exactly! Why would Hyundai even think of pricing the 1.8L Elantra between 110-115K when the Altis is priced between 112-122K? Wouldnt it be a logical sense to pay RM7K more and go for an Altis which would have 40% more resale value after 5-7yrs compared to the Elantra? Even the Forte 2.0L is only priced at RM 97K+ with all its specs.

If this pricing is true, the impact would be far worse than the Sonata being priced too close to the Japs. In the Sonata's case, there wasnt already a cheaper Korean D segment car in the market to compare against. But the Elantra has the 2.0L Kia Forte which is already enjoying great sales (in comparison to all other Korean makes in the market) to compare against and people will do exactly that.

I really hope HSDM's common sense prevails. The Elantra should only be priced at most 5% higher than the Forte 2.0L since its only a 1.8L. Not 15% higher. Thats crazy! rclxub.gif

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post Jan 14 2012, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 14 2012, 02:44 AM)
From the customer POV, nothing by HSDM is ever right.

But looking from HSDM's POV it's a different story. If I am going to stand up for both side I'd be really busy with dilemmas. If you think Hyundai overpriced their car, I can say the profit margin is narrower than many thought it is. Hyundai's car were never cheap, just that the profit margin is lower than most car giving the illusion that you are buying a cheaper car. Take for example the Sonata and Tucson never had over-trade higher than RM3,000. HSDM simply couldn't give that much.

Many like to compare the Elantra and Forte in term of pricing, that I don't want to comment much, because a certain group of fanboys will start leaping on me. If you've done enough research on this, you'll know why we're more expensive, but yet at the same time still well received. Majority of people who know where the true value of a Hyundai lies will never leap over to KIA or other brand, unless circumstances doesn't permit them.
People will always compare the Hyundai with the Kia the same way Toyota is compared to Honda. So what is the true value of Hyundai? Why should Hyundai be priced higher than Kia? Do explain.
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QUOTE(WheelieWonka @ Jan 13 2012, 10:41 PM)
Absolutely - I guess there must be some truth in the what the salesman said. I called one of the salesman in Kah Bintang, said the same thing RM115k for 1.8...sweet jesus! shakehead.gif

I guess T &H salesman dun hav to worry...

I guess this might follow I30's fate, poorly priced... how many I30's do you see on the road nowadays?
Hyundai has made the same mistake over n over again with many of its new launches. They keep on using that same old excuse about Hyundai being a premium brand and therefore should have God status reserved for it. The strategy may have worked overseas (where car prices arent dictated by an autocratic local car crony company) but has fallen flat here in Malaysia with its exorbidant car prices.

I guess the Malaysian market isnt all that important to Hyundai. So they adopt the 'take it or leave it' stance. Guess we have to then leave it eh? Why should we continue to give this false impression to Hyundai that we agree to this mentality?

If the Elantra 1.8L is indeed priced between 110-115K, this thread will go silent soon enuf together with the showrooms. Many Kia showrooms are already starting to become quiet after all the initial hype bout the Optima. Even its Facebook page is going slow now.
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post Jan 14 2012, 08:54 AM

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post Jan 14 2012, 09:17 AM

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The car will be fully CKD but price still expensive, so what is the difference between CKD compare to CBU?
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post Jan 14 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Oldskolboyz @ Jan 14 2012, 08:54 AM)
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Don't ever expect this car to be fuel saving. Altis is definitely more fuel saving than Elantra.
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QUOTE(Oldskolboyz @ Jan 14 2012, 08:54 AM)
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Lets allow our Bro Fluid to comment on this.
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post Jan 14 2012, 10:46 AM

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Ya... U may bash the Altis not style, not multilink, no bla bla bla.... But the fact is it is a freaking reliable, comfort car.... Ppl r keep saying t&h overprice, n this ??
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post Jan 14 2012, 11:34 AM

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You see their car usually higher hp and torque than cars like civic, lancer( or inspira) altis and Nissan. Either they really know motorsport or they master the skill of powerful engine.

Their 2.0 is 164 hp( paultAn)while civic lancer only 155 and Nissan at 14x hp , altis 145 hp.

Powerful! Or is it?
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post Jan 14 2012, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 14 2012, 12:34 PM)
You see their car usually higher hp and torque than cars like civic, lancer( or inspira) altis and Nissan. Either they really know motorsport or they master the skill of powerful engine.

Their 2.0 is 164 hp( paultAn)while civic lancer only 155 and Nissan at 14x hp , altis 145 hp.

Powerful! Or is it?
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this elantra so powerful? or ur talking about the mazda3?
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QUOTE(kienu @ Jan 14 2012, 11:49 AM)
this elantra so powerful? or ur talking about the mazda3?
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The 2.0 in Hyundai sonata.

Mazda 3 slightly lower at 145 hp 189 nm(paultAn)

See how powerful they claim
it is?

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