man, u drop that mini belly, you'll look awesome , great upper body btw.

your bodytype looks pretty endo to me
btw thick upperbody nice

same like me. never overweight, but fats everywhere. btw, when are u gonna cut?

More progress. Weight myself today @ 68kg.

Hey mike. Im 178cm. Nearing 4months now. Thanks!

Y do u think?

His freakin avatar is a weener and he's a f***in prick. that's why.

  cover muka the identity also kena compromise :S

x199tx u look huge man. What supplement do you take?

Heh, I watch a LOT of youtube video and everytime I see a large bodybuilder pull some strength feat, I am never surprised! Quite the contrary, it is expected. It makes sense right? Bodybuilder who has muscle size only need to train their CNS. Quite obvious.

There is a big difference between pulling a strength feat while looking like a godzilla compared to looking just average. I'm never surprised... in fact, I like it. I like it because there are lots of other lesser looking guy than you who can express strength real good beyond their size (or your size). If you bring the standard down, actually I have already achieved OAC, but I am a perfectionist. One guy in our thread are really near to my defined perfection in OAP and he looks just... lean. =) Since you already set your mind on OAP, I'd say go for it. Good luck!

I dont have any idea on aesthetics. When I see picture over here, I see lots of fine body...

Not everyone is my size. But there is other who are your size who done calisthenics who are lot stronger than you or me. It is not about size, it is about strength-bodyweight ratio. Calisthenics is not related to guy my size alone and there are guy who is big enough who really a monster in calisthenics. But calisthenics is not the discussion here. It is about strength and bodybuilding. I find it whether training to do deadlift or do one arm push up or pistol or iron cross or full squat or overhead press or anything... it is the same. It is an expression of strength.

I'm not interested in getting good at bench press. But I'm interested to monitor the numbers you pushing/pulling so that I can roughly compare how strong you guys are compared to others. I see lot of fine body over here... and lots of judgement being made... for me, I'm just interested to know, how strong you are who giving advice compared to others.

Other things I'm interested is that how you guys judge ones body. Sometimes there is a shoulder, but you guys say need more shoulder la... things like that. Posted a picture of mine, so mikehuan, why not post a picture of yours and compare to me... point to me what kind of muscle are you looking. Let say if I'm an aspired bodybuilder... what kind of advice would you give? I've been intrigued by this question about my own body quite a while...

alpha have slope shoulder and high traps
x199tx  having same too?

Lol. LV and I doing shoulders and arms later bro. Too bad you can't join.