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 Annuity Insurance Product, Tax relief RM 3000

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Colaboy
post Dec 30 2011, 02:38 PM

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so far i guess from Prudential we have . . . It's
PRURetirement Reward

QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 30 2011, 02:19 PM)
from 2012; not for 2011. smile.gif
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2011 was RM1,000



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post Dec 31 2011, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 31 2011, 12:04 PM)
Sounds like you are a Prudential agent. But you are GUESSing PRU has PRURetirement Reward which qualifies. PLease confirm first only then let us know.
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bad english . . . this is the only product which qualify for tax relief thumbup.gif

QUOTE(xenon_aniki @ Dec 30 2011, 05:11 PM)
Is this product still applicable to new tax structure?
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ya . . . definately

I have include an Illustration of Return base on a person age 30, class 1 or 2, non-smoker, yearly premium RM3,400
The premium are allocated to RM3000 for annuity / retirement & RM 400 for life(RM22,000 sum assured)

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post Jan 3 2012, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE(leongal @ Jan 2 2012, 09:09 AM)
Is there a letter confirming pruretirement is an annuity plan? The least we want is after purchase and claim tax relief, irb questoon n fine us when it is found not annuity
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ya . . . every year around feb/march company will send you a copy for tax relief

Example: Life RM6000 / Medical RM3000 / Annuity RM3000


Added on January 3, 2012, 4:15 am
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 2 2012, 10:21 AM)
Colaboy, just to clarify your attached illustration:
1. Payment is from year 1 to 25 only - RM3,400 per year?
2. The projected X% and Y% - what is the X% used and Y% used?
3. If i get/take the projected total income per year, at 70 if i die, will i still get the "Total Death Benefits"?
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1) Payment is 25 years . . . cause base on age 30 individual & most likely will continue working up to age 55 before retire.
Ya RM3000 goes into a retirement account, the balance RM400 is the sum assured

2) Consist of PRUEquity Fund & PRUBond Fund - X is base on 6% and y is 2%. The percentage of equity and bond fund allocated will defer as one person grow older ==> bond fund will be higher thumbup.gif

3) The sum assured of RM22,000 only covors up to age 55, main purpose is for tax relief thumbup.gif

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post Jan 3 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 3 2012, 01:14 PM)
Danke for the clarifications Colaboy.
Hm.. can the $400pa for life insurance be negated?
ie. i pay $3,000pa for just purely annuity since my EPF deductions already above the allowable tax relief amount pa

My apologies for all these detailed Qs - i'm calculating whether worthwhile to get into annuities for the tax relief + the returns, as a cash / fixed income class diversification.

Thanks in advance.  notworthy.gif
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thats the minimal you need to purchase . . .I'm affraid NO

QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 3 2012, 01:38 PM)
here is the brochure for PRUretirement_reward:

http://prudential.com.my/export/sites/defa...rochure_eng.pdf
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif good job with the brochure . . . should have a lot of information inside

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post Jan 5 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(xenon_aniki @ Jan 4 2012, 03:08 PM)
Hi Colaboy,

Is the sumassured is fixed for various range of premium? i mean it always 22K Sum Assured?

Mind sending me the sales illustration for men age 30, soker, want to do 25 years payment, but only 15 year annuity.

thanks
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It's not fix . . . will defer a little according to age & we design the plan with the min sum assured as
to maximize the returns for customers when retire.
After 55 they can choose to surrender the policy & withdraw the cash value just like EPF or
they can maintain the policy to receive yearly guaranteed & non - guaranteed returns as projected in pg 7. Btw whats your e-mail address? rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif


QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 5 2012, 08:32 AM)
what's the difference between this PRUretirement_reward and other endowment plans such as HLA cash builder that's being promoted in the other threads?
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Traditional endowment plan is basically a term savings plan . . . which fall under life insurance category
the plan usually are 10 years, 20 years & some might even be as long as 88 years for 3G plan.

PRUretirement_reward is an annuity product . . . which the purpose is for saving(retirement) & can be
calculate for additional tax relief up to RM3,000. The product consist of a very minimal life insurance +
unit thrust. Compare to endowment, this plan is have very high allocation of premium as for the RM3,000 paid
yearly, 95% will be allocated to the plan / 2% for mgm fees / 3% agents commision thumbup.gif

Some simple calculation
RM3,000 tax relief if we calculate on 26% would be RM780 tax yearly

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post Jan 5 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 5 2012, 01:20 PM)
Thanks Colaboy.
In return, just to share my calculations based on your sharing and my income tax relief (at 26%). I was hoping that it'll be more worthwhile than the previous time i tested an annuity product.
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For fellow forumers interested in calculating their own expected returns based on the above (ie. tweak your tax and specific stuff), attach is also the Excel file in ZIP format.
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very nice calculation you have done thumbup.gif . . . well this is a quotion on the minimal you will received if
X = 4.51% return & Y = 2.2%

Historical Actual Annual Returns of the Funds

Golden Equity Fund
2006 = 19.80%
2007 = 27.80%
2008 =-31.30%
2009 = 42.50%
2010 = 21.45%

Golden Bond Fund
2006 = 6.40%
2007 = 4.40%
2008 = 2.40%
2009 = 6.20%
2010 = 5.67%
Colaboy
post Jan 5 2012, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 5 2012, 05:12 PM)
Colaboy, hm... does those returns bulat bulat get into the annuity holder's value?
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those are excluding cost (service charges on top of NAV)?

Looks good the Equity fund, though the Bond fund is ok-ish. Annuity holder can choose which Fund to ride? My apologies if this Q was asked before - i only awake when i see numbers & %  notworthy.gif
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of course bulat bulat ma . . .

The fund is already determine by company, cant be selected

Example:
Year 1 to 2 45% in GEF* 55% in GBF*
Year 3 to 7 40% in GEF* 60% in GBF*
Year 8 to 12 35% in GEF* 65% in GBF*
Year 13 to 17 30% in GEF* 70% in GBF*
Year 18 to 22 25% in GEF* 75% in GBF*

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post Jan 7 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Limster88 @ Jan 6 2012, 10:45 PM)
Is Manulife's MaxShield Retirement or AIA Retirement Account 2 considered annuities?? Any agents from both companies can help clarify this??
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Not sure about those product . . . its better to clarify from their agent rclxms.gif

QUOTE(echoesian @ Jan 5 2012, 11:37 PM)
Is this PruRetirement only available this year for income tax relief purpose?


Added on January 5, 2012, 11:41 pmI thought Annuity relief is only up to 1k?
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It's available since 2011. Those who purchase last year will entitle for tax relief up RM1000 in 2012.
For next year 2013, it will be increase to RM3000 as highlights from Malaysian budget 2012 thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Mar 4 2012, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 4 2012, 01:58 PM)
I recently checked the Pru-Retirement Reward out. The IRR of this product is only around 3.XX % p.a for the whole duration of the program.

So the only saving grace if you want to participate in this product is the RM3k tax relief.

Other than that, this product sux big time.

Check out their massive hidden charges.... It made me cringe.

I have also inquire with Manulife, GE, HLA & Allianz but none of them had a annuity product that qualify for the RM3k tax relief.
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can i know where do you get the 3.xx% from??? sweat.gif

Btw we only charge:
PRUlink golden equity fund 1.5% fund management fees (actual return on year 2010 21.45% )
PRUlink golden bond fund 1% fund management fee (actual return on year 2010 5.13% )
Agent commision is 3% out of total sales

Please dont flame a product before you find out more details about it . . . doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Colaboy
post Apr 24 2012, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 23 2012, 11:38 PM)
I don't quite understand this plan, let say if we opt to pay premium for 10 years, each year is 3k, do we get any interest on the premium paid or we only get paid after 55 years old?
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of course you get interest every year for the premium you paid, but because this is a retirement plan
the plan needs to lock your money in it till age 55 (just like your epf account) icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 24 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(birain @ Apr 24 2012, 08:30 AM)
does anyone knows if prudential's "prulink one" qualify for tax relief, if got which part do i fill under the income tax part, D17, D18 or D19? icon_question.gif
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refer to your annual LAPS - life assurance premium statement
if you did not receive a copy, you may always get a copy from any branch nearby
or get your agent to mail/fax you 1 thumbup.gif

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post Apr 24 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 24 2012, 11:04 PM)
No, but from what I saw from the sales illustration, the monthly guaranteed income is only payable once the insured's age is 55 years old... so meaning every year we just pay the premium without any interest at all until we reach 55?
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The premium or money you contribute will be allocated into our Prulink Golden Equity & Bond fund.
So if the fund value increase from RM1 to RM2 in the future, the same does to your savings.
The guaranteed income is an option for you to receive monthly base on the capital . . . but you can
choose to surrender the policy after 55 to withdraw the cash value inside.
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post Apr 25 2012, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 25 2012, 11:23 AM)
After reach age 55, if we continue with the plan, does the premium still invested in the bond/equity fund?

What is the historical average yearly return for this plan?
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bond is average 5.1% equity is 7-12% on average


QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 25 2012, 11:56 AM)
Is it true that 5% of the premium paid every year will be deducted for admin, management and sale commission?
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yes

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post May 3 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(ljchiun @ May 1 2012, 08:27 PM)
Hi Colaboy,

Since you said this product is already available since 2011, are you able to produce one sample of the premium statement that shows it qualifies for the tax relief annuity (hide the client's name)

Thanks.
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the statement is directly mail to customer . . . well its clearly written in the policy
there is no need to trouble post it here
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post Nov 16 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:54 PM)
For those annuity sales personal in Penang ...

My Plan : I just want to invest just for tax purpose for next 5 years ...

PM me your proposal  ..  Thanks.
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there is a minimum tenure years for this plan . . . it's for retirement purpose
which mean you cant withdraw the money until you are 55 thumbup.gif

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