Is it true that 5% of the premium paid every year will be deducted for admin, management and sale commission?
Annuity Insurance Product, Tax relief RM 3000
Annuity Insurance Product, Tax relief RM 3000
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Apr 25 2012, 11:56 AM
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Is it true that 5% of the premium paid every year will be deducted for admin, management and sale commission?
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Apr 25 2012, 05:18 PM
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Aside from Prudential, is there any other Insurance Companies that offer the similar plan?
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Apr 25 2012, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 25 2012, 11:23 AM) After reach age 55, if we continue with the plan, does the premium still invested in the bond/equity fund? bond is average 5.1% equity is 7-12% on averageWhat is the historical average yearly return for this plan? QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 25 2012, 11:56 AM) Is it true that 5% of the premium paid every year will be deducted for admin, management and sale commission? yesThis post has been edited by Colaboy: Apr 25 2012, 07:50 PM |
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Apr 26 2012, 10:30 AM
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I got to know Uni Asia Life has a new plan called Uni Smart Income, looks interesting as you just need to pay premium for 10 years only...but I need to find out more...
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May 1 2012, 03:47 PM
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2,173 posts Joined: Jan 2012 From: Butterworth, Penang |
QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 26 2012, 10:30 AM) I got to know Uni Asia Life has a new plan called Uni Smart Income, looks interesting as you just need to pay premium for 10 years only...but I need to find out more... Just a note to check. The product must be approved for annuity deduction. For PruRetirement reward the agent needs to tick the option "Claim Annuity Tax Relief" to enable you for income tax rebate. |
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May 1 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Jan 7 2012, 04:13 PM) Not sure about those product . . . its better to clarify from their agent Hi Colaboy,It's available since 2011. Those who purchase last year will entitle for tax relief up RM1000 in 2012. For next year 2013, it will be increase to RM3000 as highlights from Malaysian budget 2012 Since you said this product is already available since 2011, are you able to produce one sample of the premium statement that shows it qualifies for the tax relief annuity (hide the client's name) Thanks. |
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May 3 2012, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(ljchiun @ May 1 2012, 08:27 PM) Hi Colaboy, the statement is directly mail to customer . . . well its clearly written in the policySince you said this product is already available since 2011, are you able to produce one sample of the premium statement that shows it qualifies for the tax relief annuity (hide the client's name) Thanks. there is no need to trouble post it here |
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Nov 16 2012, 03:42 PM
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1,229 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Malacca |
Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) from FSM.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2911 |
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Nov 16 2012, 08:54 PM
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For those annuity sales personal in Penang ...
My Plan : I just want to invest just for tax purpose for next 5 years ... PM me your proposal .. Thanks. |
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Nov 16 2012, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Dec 31 2011, 08:35 PM) bad english . . . this is the only product which qualify for tax relief wa!!!40 years cannot move my money? @@ya . . . definately I have include an Illustration of Return base on a person age 30, class 1 or 2, non-smoker, yearly premium RM3,400 The premium are allocated to RM3000 for annuity / retirement & RM 400 for life(RM22,000 sum assured) [attachmentid=2615706] |
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Nov 16 2012, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:54 PM) For those annuity sales personal in Penang ... there is a minimum tenure years for this plan . . . it's for retirement purposeMy Plan : I just want to invest just for tax purpose for next 5 years ... PM me your proposal .. Thanks. which mean you cant withdraw the money until you are 55 |
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Nov 16 2012, 11:53 PM
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Take out all my money at year 26. All interest gone?
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Nov 19 2012, 05:53 PM
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hi Colaboy, a few things to double confirm with you:
1) so this plan that u showed is need us to pay the 3400/yr for 25yrs? meaning we have contributed 85k, and the cash value is 51k if we choose to cash out, rite? 2) i heard the 3k annuity tax relief is only applicable for premium contributed from yr 2012-2021 (10 yrs) even if we pay for 25yrs. cayou confirm on this? 3) based on your quotation, does it mean we can only get the income for 10 yrs (guaranteed + projected)? after that the plan will cease and we still can back the cash value projected there? 4) what does your insurance cover? death? disablement? 36 disease? sorry for asking so many questions, this annuity is new to me, and not many people is well versed in it including my insurance agent. thank you. Added on November 19, 2012, 5:57 pm QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Nov 16 2012, 12:42 PM) Explosive News! 2012 Budget. can you show your quotation as well so that can do comparison?Additional RM 3,000 Tax relief for annuity plan. Great Eastern has launched new annuity plan for Malaysia amounted to RM 40 millions only. First come first serve basis.TAX Relief is up to 10 years from 2012-2021!!!! Guaranteed Retirement Income from 55 years onward. Hurry Up! Limited time offer until finish allocation!! Leewah Great Eastern 016 303 8820 This post has been edited by hongxiaoling: Nov 19 2012, 05:57 PM |
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Nov 19 2012, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(hongxiaoling @ Nov 19 2012, 05:53 PM) hi Colaboy, a few things to double confirm with you: The quotation is simple, you pay for 10years, you get back the money from 55-65.(10years). I can't post the quotation as I'm using iPad.1) so this plan that u showed is need us to pay the 3400/yr for 25yrs? meaning we have contributed 85k, and the cash value is 51k if we choose to cash out, rite? 2) i heard the 3k annuity tax relief is only applicable for premium contributed from yr 2012-2021 (10 yrs) even if we pay for 25yrs. cayou confirm on this? So far the government announced that 2012-2021 is the year eligible for this rebate, but who knows if government may extend it on 2012? Like out hybrid tax. 3) based on your quotation, does it mean we can only get the income for 10 yrs (guaranteed + projected)? after that the plan will cease and we still can back the cash value projected there? 4) what does your insurance cover? death? disablement? 36 disease? For great eastern, when death, disablement, or 35 critical illness, the cash value will be refunded. sorry for asking so many questions, this annuity is new to me, and not many people is well versed in it including my insurance agent. thank you. Added on November 19, 2012, 5:57 pm can you show your quotation as well so that can do comparison? |
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Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM
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14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Just found out more info on Great Eastern annuity plan (Great Retirement Plan) for a 35-year old.
1) Pay RM3,000 per year for 10 years (to claim income tax) 2) Guaranteed Income payable every year for 15 years (starting at age 55) - RM 4,365.00 per year 3) It is not an insurance plan. From illustration, "In the event of death, TPD or being diagnosed with any one of the covered events, the cash value (which is equivalent to Surrender value (SV)) will be payable in one lump sum. The cash value payable to you may be less than the total premiums paid." - From the illustration,it is my understanding that you have to PRAY that nothing happens to you at least for the first 16 years before your surrender value is more than the total premium paid. Worth it? Any other plans from other insurance companies? This post has been edited by kmarc: Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM |
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Nov 29 2012, 10:16 AM
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i also did a rough calculation on the GE based on the data on the website... in only translate to about 4.x% interest PA.. though is guaranteed, but is quite low for something that i have to freeze my money for 35yrs assuming i buy at age 35.
btw, i don't see GE is part of the approved PRS provider in the PPA website. sure can claim the 3k tax relief? |
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Nov 29 2012, 09:17 PM
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14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(exshige @ Nov 29 2012, 10:16 AM) i also did a rough calculation on the GE based on the data on the website... in only translate to about 4.x% interest PA.. though is guaranteed, but is quite low for something that i have to freeze my money for 35yrs assuming i buy at age 35. The GE agent claimed that it is already approved when asked regarding one of the description on the proposal (i.e. This product may qualify for annuity tax relief of up to RM3,0000 yearly for premium paid during year 2012 to 2021, subject to approval of the IRB).btw, i don't see GE is part of the approved PRS provider in the PPA website. sure can claim the 3k tax relief? Does your calculation factor in the tax relief per year? If so, which tax bracket did you use for calculation? For me, the only attractive thing is the tax relief. BTW, assuming you buy at 35, your money is only "frozen" for 20 years la..... Your money will start "thawing" at age 56.... |
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Nov 29 2012, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 29 2012, 09:17 PM) The GE agent claimed that it is already approved when asked regarding one of the description on the proposal (i.e. This product may qualify for annuity tax relief of up to RM3,0000 yearly for premium paid during year 2012 to 2021, subject to approval of the IRB). Looking at this whole PRS funds, the best bet should be those unit trusts fund approved for prs. At least if you couldn't afford to set aside rm3k per year, those savings in unit trust won't be burned as compared to insurance where a lapse in the policy will see almost all your money gone down the drain.Does your calculation factor in the tax relief per year? If so, which tax bracket did you use for calculation? For me, the only attractive thing is the tax relief. BTW, assuming you buy at 35, your money is only "frozen" for 20 years la..... Your money will start "thawing" at age 56.... Like some mention here, you better pray nothing happen to you within the 15 years if you invest in those insurance prs fund. |
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Nov 29 2012, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 28 2012, 01:25 PM) Just found out more info on Great Eastern annuity plan (Great Retirement Plan) for a 35-year old. So, if a person passes away at the 10th year, does that mean there is no payout at all? Then all the premiums paid gone?1) Pay RM3,000 per year for 10 years (to claim income tax) 2) Guaranteed Income payable every year for 15 years (starting at age 55) - RM 4,365.00 per year 3) It is not an insurance plan. From illustration, "In the event of death, TPD or being diagnosed with any one of the covered events, the cash value (which is equivalent to Surrender value (SV)) will be payable in one lump sum. The cash value payable to you may be less than the total premiums paid." - From the illustration,it is my understanding that you have to PRAY that nothing happens to you at least for the first 16 years before your surrender value is more than the total premium paid. Worth it? Any other plans from other insurance companies? |
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Nov 29 2012, 11:11 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(gtfan @ Nov 29 2012, 10:15 PM) Looking at this whole PRS funds, the best bet should be those unit trusts fund approved for prs. At least if you couldn't afford to set aside rm3k per year, those savings in unit trust won't be burned as compared to insurance where a lapse in the policy will see almost all your money gone down the drain. I think I mentioned the "pray" thing leh.... Like some mention here, you better pray nothing happen to you within the 15 years if you invest in those insurance prs fund. QUOTE(zest168 @ Nov 29 2012, 10:30 PM) So, if a person passes away at the 10th year, does that mean there is no payout at all? Then all the premiums paid gone? You still get some money back. From their illustration, at the 10th year, you would have paid the final yearly dividend (total of rm3,000 x 10 = RM30,000). If you die on the 10th year, the cash value payable to you is RM25,177. Someone with the policy need to die Totally opposite of insurance. Insurance = good to die early. Retirement funds = better to die later.... That's my crude understanding anyway. Don't quote me on that.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Nov 29 2012, 11:14 PM |
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