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post Dec 22 2011, 02:18 PM

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post Dec 22 2011, 02:19 PM

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this is not to scare you all...shit...
this is real case...i also don't know how the issue can happen la...

for short term, i think i'm really gonna bath cold water....
or if need hot water...i will boil....

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post Dec 22 2011, 03:30 PM

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the wiring okie or not ??

the earthing for the house okie ?


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post Dec 22 2011, 03:32 PM

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Real men bath with ice cold water.
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post Dec 22 2011, 03:38 PM

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but early morning, when need to go to work, also shower cold water? i think will die from stroke/heart attack due to sudden temperature drop.
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post Dec 22 2011, 03:40 PM

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just make sure got ELCB... then u r safe..
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post Dec 22 2011, 03:45 PM

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damn i scare liao... mine already use long time.. when this heater shud b change?? or is it wait to rosak then baru change..??


Added on December 22, 2011, 3:45 pm
QUOTE(randyhow @ Dec 22 2011, 03:40 PM)
just make sure got ELCB... then u r safe..
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mine got elcb

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post Dec 22 2011, 05:16 PM

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please read the manual of all electrical appliances before you use it.

on the shower unit there's a test button. please test it at least once a month, or more frequent if you are worried. it will only take you a few seconds to do the test. just press it and the power supply to the shower will be cut off. the just reset back the safety device to continue using it. that's all

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post Dec 22 2011, 05:28 PM

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Someone should contact the authorities to conduct an investigation.

Not sure this comes under which department or ministry though.

There could be various causes, faulty installation, lack of an ELCB, etc.

Or even sabotage.
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post Dec 22 2011, 09:48 PM

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ELCB doesnt work if the earth wire is broken or not connected so push the test button on the heater
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post Dec 22 2011, 10:12 PM

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water coming from the shower is droplets, not a continuous stream so if got electrocuted, possible reason is touching the control panel with wet hands and got stream of water touching electrical point

still safe imo
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QUOTE(lulusantos @ Dec 22 2011, 10:18 PM)
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 22 2011, 09:48 PM)
ELCB doesnt work if the earth wire is broken or not connected so push the test button on the heater
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As external expert committee to SIRIM, I would like to offer some of the life saving technical fact here, and please help spread the news and educate the public.

1) The ELCB or (RCD) in the water heater can only protect if there is electrical leakage from WITHIN the water heater
2) If there is a leakage from anywhere else in the house, it is then rely on the main ELCB / RCD to trip and protect the user
3) If there is any electrical leakage within the house, and the main ELCB/RCD is not working, then almost all appliances will be electrified, including the water heater. And the water heater will likely be the last point to kill because of water, even though the leakage is not from water heater itself.

In the last few cases (and most likely including this case that KEVYEOH is mentioning :

- All has metal hose
- All were death holding on to the shower head
- All has burned hand and/or body part
- All can't find fault in the water heater
- All has electrified earth wire, leakage from somewhere else, kill thru water heater
- Should they have Non-Conductive hose, chances are they will survive


To prevent ELECTROCUTION, please do all 3 tasks below :

a) Make sure the main ELCB/RCD at home's main electrical box is functioning. This can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

b) Make sure the ELCB/RCD within water heater is functioning. Again, this can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

c) Make sure the shower hose & the control valve connected to the water heater is off non-metallic (non-conductive material). If it is, go buy a plastic one and change it. (Many argue that even it is plastic, there are still water within the hose to conduct electricity. The fact is, water is not totally conductive, having gone thru the length of the hose with the small diameter, the current conducted is not enough to kill anymore.)


Please help circulate this to all your friend and love ones to save life!!!










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post Dec 23 2011, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Dec 22 2011, 01:39 PM)
Well, i never really give this topic much thought until today when i heard that my cousin just passed away last night due to electric shock from water heater...

I'm sure almost everyone of us must have at least 1 electric water heater in the house so I'm wondering how safe is the water heater actually?

Isn't the device suppose to have some built in protection?

geessh.... damn scared now....
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u can use the latest models running on low voltage DC power..
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(safer @ Dec 23 2011, 12:03 AM)
As external expert committee to SIRIM, I would like to offer some of the life saving technical fact here, and please help spread the news and educate the public.

1) The ELCB or (RCD) in the water heater can only protect if there is electrical leakage from WITHIN the water heater
2) If there is a leakage from anywhere else in the house, it is then rely on the main ELCB / RCD to trip and protect the user
3) If there is any electrical leakage within the house, and the main ELCB/RCD is not working, then almost all appliances will be electrified, including the water heater. And the water heater will likely be the last point to kill because of water, even though the leakage is not from water heater itself.

In the last few cases (and most likely including this case that KEVYEOH is mentioning :

- All has metal hose
- All were death holding on to the shower head
- All has burned hand and/or body part
- All can't find fault in the water heater
- All has electrified earth wire, leakage from somewhere else, kill thru water heater
- Should they have Non-Conductive hose, chances are they will survive
To prevent ELECTROCUTION, please do all 3 tasks below :

a) Make sure the main ELCB/RCD at home's main electrical box is functioning. This can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

b) Make sure the ELCB/RCD within water heater is functioning. Again, this can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

c) Make sure the shower hose & the control valve connected to the water heater is off non-metallic (non-conductive material). If it is, go buy a plastic one and change it. (Many argue that even it is plastic, there are still water within the hose to conduct electricity. The fact is, water is not totally conductive, having gone thru the length of the hose with the small diameter, the current conducted is not enough to kill anymore.)
Please help circulate this to all your friend and love ones to save life!!!
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Hi KEVYEOH :

So sad to hear about your cousin. For study and educating the public, would you be able to provide more information, such as the photo of the water heater, and possibly investigation result?


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post Dec 23 2011, 12:09 AM

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he must be stupid enuff to play the water with electric,i mean he sure spray on the electric parts,we know how to use properly is 100% safe.....
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QUOTE(safer @ Dec 23 2011, 12:03 AM)
As external expert committee to SIRIM, I would like to offer some of the life saving technical fact here, and please help spread the news and educate the public.

1) The ELCB or (RCD) in the water heater can only protect if there is electrical leakage from WITHIN the water heater
2) If there is a leakage from anywhere else in the house, it is then rely on the main ELCB / RCD to trip and protect the user
3) If there is any electrical leakage within the house, and the main ELCB/RCD is not working, then almost all appliances will be electrified, including the water heater. And the water heater will likely be the last point to kill because of water, even though the leakage is not from water heater itself.

In the last few cases (and most likely including this case that KEVYEOH is mentioning :

- All has metal hose
- All were death holding on to the shower head
- All has burned hand and/or body part
- All can't find fault in the water heater
- All has electrified earth wire, leakage from somewhere else, kill thru water heater
- Should they have Non-Conductive hose, chances are they will survive
To prevent ELECTROCUTION, please do all 3 tasks below :

a) Make sure the main ELCB/RCD at home's main electrical box is functioning. This can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

b) Make sure the ELCB/RCD within water heater is functioning. Again, this can be checked by pressing the "TEST" button once a month, see if it tripped.

c) Make sure the shower hose & the control valve connected to the water heater is off non-metallic (non-conductive material). If it is, go buy a plastic one and change it. (Many argue that even it is plastic, there are still water within the hose to conduct electricity. The fact is, water is not totally conductive, having gone thru the length of the hose with the small diameter, the current conducted is not enough to kill anymore.)
Please help circulate this to all your friend and love ones to save life!!!
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Thanks.
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(lulusantos @ Dec 22 2011, 10:18 PM)
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 23 2011, 12:06 AM)
u can use the latest models running on low voltage DC power..
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This is quite misleading.

First, unless it is running off battery, otherwise they will still require AC to DC conversion, which still take in AC from the mains. Therefore anything wrong inside there are possibilities of electrocution.

Secondly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, most of the electrocution cases are not leakage from the water heater, but from the external sources and KILL THRU WATER HEATER! Therefore it doesn't matter whether the water heater is powered by AC or DC.

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