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 Short Review on the Exora Bold

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post Jan 31 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Jan 31 2012, 07:13 PM)
new car bro. new car
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yes
it is new car smile.gif
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post Jan 31 2012, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 31 2012, 04:58 PM)
i guess it comes with built in turbo timer liao since when i switch the engine off, the fan is still running on a few occasion.
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my saga blm also has the same thing, fan running to cool the radiator. it's not the same as a turbo timer because a turbo timer keeps the engine running to use the engine lubricant to cool the turbo
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QUOTE(sg999 @ Jan 31 2012, 06:32 PM)
yes
it is new car smile.gif
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So its not necessary.

Nice to have, but not necessary.

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 31 2012, 06:34 PM)
my saga blm also has the same thing, fan running to cool the radiator.  it's not the same as a turbo timer because a turbo timer keeps the engine running to use the engine lubricant to cool the turbo
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do you think it would be good to have one turbo timer for bold?
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post Jan 31 2012, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(akchang @ Jan 31 2012, 10:36 PM)
do you think it would be good to have one turbo timer for bold?
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is depend
some vs sell rm50
some vs sell rm1k+
of course effect is diffrent
if i say those 1k+ vs effect got 20% supercharge effect
do u trust it? laugh.gif
and if i say those expensive vs will cause ur Tyre "slip" when pick up
do u trust it?
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post Jan 31 2012, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Jan 31 2012, 09:39 PM)
is depend
some vs sell rm50
some vs sell rm1k+
of course effect is diffrent
if i say those 1k+ vs effect got 20% supercharge effect
do u trust it? laugh.gif
and if i say those expensive vs will cause ur Tyre "slip" when pick up
do u trust it?
unsure.gif
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wow vs can also act as turbo timer? heheh
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post Jan 31 2012, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Jan 31 2012, 09:39 PM)
is depend
some vs sell rm50
some vs sell rm1k+
of course effect is diffrent
if i say those 1k+ vs effect got 20% supercharge effect
do u trust it? laugh.gif
and if i say those expensive vs will cause ur Tyre "slip" when pick up
do u trust it?
unsure.gif
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errrr.......vs is not turbo timer

and yes u should get one, make sure u buy it from those well known shops, it'll cost around RM180 - 220 depending on the brand, don't just buy from mudah, there are too many fake ones on the market
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post Jan 31 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 31 2012, 11:00 PM)
errrr.......vs is not turbo timer

and yes u should get one, make sure u buy it from those well known shops, it'll cost around RM180 - 220 depending on the brand, don't just buy from mudah, there are too many fake ones on the market
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i got one already~ laugh.gif
but is entry level only


Added on January 31, 2012, 10:14 pm
QUOTE(karlbum @ Jan 31 2012, 10:48 PM)
wow vs can also act as turbo timer? heheh
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but the price not so worth already
direct upgrade engine displacement better
haha laugh.gif

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post Jan 31 2012, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 31 2012, 10:00 PM)
errrr.......vs is not turbo timer

and yes u should get one, make sure u buy it from those well known shops, it'll cost around RM180 - 220 depending on the brand, don't just buy from mudah, there are too many fake ones on the market
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yeah thx for the info! surprising proton do not have a built-in turbo timer?
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QUOTE(akchang @ Jan 31 2012, 10:47 PM)
yeah thx for the info! surprising proton do not have a built-in turbo timer?
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Those from Toyota and Mitsubishi and Isuzu don't have it either on their turbo diesel. So I guess no manufacturer fit it as standard here.

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QUOTE(akchang @ Jan 31 2012, 10:47 PM)
yeah thx for the info! surprising proton do not have a built-in turbo timer?
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 1 2012, 07:11 AM)
Those from Toyota and Mitsubishi and Isuzu don't have it either on their turbo diesel. So I guess no manufacturer fit it as standard here.
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almost no manufacturer fits their turbo engines with turbo timer, in my experience so far, all standard turbo cars must install the timer by owners themselves. if manufacturers also fit in timers as standard, those performance parts manufacturers will loose a lot of money, turbo timers are a main stream of revenue
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 1 2012, 03:40 PM)
almost no manufacturer fits their turbo engines with turbo timer, in my experience so far, all standard turbo cars must install the timer by owners themselves.  if manufacturers also fit in timers as standard, those performance parts manufacturers will loose a lot of money, turbo timers are a main stream of revenue
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Unfortunately if you fit a turbo timer yourself, the manufacturer will void your warranty. Catch 22 situation.

Some people say you don't need turbo timer but some say you do. So best check your Bold car manual to see what it says about engine shut down. Do you need to wait a while means you need it. If it say you can switch off straight away means you don't need it.


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cars like 308thp dont need turbo timer. but after you switch off car, the radiator fan will still runs until its totally cool down.
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turbo timer is a very subjective matter...ohh well, will check with SC! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:52 PM)
Unfortunately if you fit a turbo timer yourself, the manufacturer will void your warranty. Catch 22 situation.

Some people say you don't need turbo timer but some say you do. So best check your Bold car manual to see what it says about engine shut down. Do you need to wait a while means you need it. If it say you can switch off straight away means you don't need it.
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i'm sure the car manual won't state whether to use turbo timer or not. and yes the warranty is an issue if u install it yourself, the warranty will be void, so i'd suggest you don't install first, after the warranty expired then install. is the warranty 3 years? if yes, then within this 3 years if the turbo kong, u still can change it from SC, so no worries.

QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 1 2012, 03:54 PM)
cars like 308thp dont need turbo timer. but after you switch off car, the radiator fan will still runs until its totally cool down.
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as from my previous post, a lot of cars nowadays has this function. it only cools the engine, NOT the turbo. The turbo uses lubricants (engine oil) to cool itself, this is where the turbo timer comes in, to keep the engine running until the turbo cool enough.

most ppl who lives in conti countries changes cars after the warranty expires, it's much easier and cheaper for them to do that, so they don't give a rat's arse about maintaining the turbo. but if u r planning to keep the car longer than the warranty, it's another story. just ask yourself, after the warranty period, if the turbo has problems and u want to change it, how much is it going to cost? The turbo timer is only RM200, the turbo will cost you up to 5k

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turbo timer on 308?

for your reading pleasure

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=90305
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post Feb 1 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 1 2012, 04:02 PM)
turbo timer on 308?

for your reading pleasure

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=90305
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it's actually here: http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=89539

so it's got a function just like a turbo timer but much more sophisticated. nice....

"It has a water pump for the intercooler that detects the temperature of the engine when you shut it. If its hot, the water pump will continue to let the water flow and cool the engine/intercooler. Also, if its too hot, the fan will continue running."

the question is, if the water pump or the heat sensor fails, then what? high tech has it's pros and cons, the more sophisticated stuff, the more something could go wrong, this is my experience working in a high tech industry, you could never have too many backups. and this is why old school techniques still rocks!

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 1 2012, 03:59 PM)
i'm sure the car manual won't state whether to use turbo timer or not.  and yes the warranty is an issue if u install it yourself, the warranty will be void, so i'd suggest you don't install first, after the warranty expired then install.  is the warranty 3 years?  if yes, then within this 3 years if the turbo kong, u still can change it from SC, so no worries.
What if after 2 yrs 11 months 29 days the turbo is still running. And come 3 yrs 1 day later, it decide to call it quit? So how?

If we look at how a turbo work, it is prudent to let it cool down a bit before switching off. Once the engine switched off, no more engine oil will be circulating to cool the turbine bearing. Cooling the radiator is a poor alternative, if of any use at all.

As for the manufacturer saying there is no need to let turbine bearing cool down before switching off, I think they have a vested interest that you car don't last too long. Otherwise, how to get you to buy another new car from them? Furthermore if their turbo so tough, why even the need for radiator fan to run before stopping?

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 1 2012, 04:13 PM)
What if after 2 yrs 11 months 29 days the turbo is still running. And come 3 yrs 1 day later, it decide to call it quit? So how?

If we look at how a turbo work, it is prudent to let cool down a bit before switching off. Once the engine switched off, no more engine oil will be circulating to cool the turbine bearing.

As for the manufacturer saying there is no need to let turbine bearing cool down before switching off, I think they have a vested interest that you car don't last too long. Otherwise, how to get you to buy another new car from them?
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got ppl kena, after 100,000km driving, in ONE YEAR!

for 308thp.

he paid himself for the turbo.

material price rm10k, not including labour charge. the price list u can get from 308thp forum.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 1 2012, 03:59 PM)
i'm sure the car manual won't state whether to use turbo timer or not.  and yes the warranty is an issue if u install it yourself, the warranty will be void, so i'd suggest you don't install first, after the warranty expired then install.  is the warranty 3 years?  if yes, then within this 3 years if the turbo kong, u still can change it from SC, so no worries.
as from my previous post, a lot of cars nowadays has this function.  it only cools the engine, NOT the turbo.  The turbo uses lubricants (engine oil) to cool itself, this is where the turbo timer comes in, to keep the engine running until the turbo cool enough.

most ppl who lives in conti countries changes cars after the warranty expires, it's much easier and cheaper for them to do that, so they don't give a rat's arse about maintaining the turbo.  but if u r planning to keep the car longer than the warranty, it's another story.  just ask yourself, after the warranty period, if the turbo has problems and u want to change it, how much is it going to cost?  The turbo timer is only RM200, the turbo will cost you up to 5k
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what makes you think so? We kept our cars until they were about to die (or died), and I know many who do so too. Plus it seems to me that Germans keep their cars longer than Malaysians, 15 years or more until the car is scraped or sold to Africa is quite common IMHO. So yeah, I think we do care to keep the car alive. Also Germans (and Europeans in general I guess) don't get super long loans. Usually it's maybe 3 years, perhaps 5. After that the car has to be fully paid.

Even if the car is sold (and some do change them frequently), they have to sell them, so the condition matters.

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