You have a point there. I love and enjoy how nimble the Kangoo is (<4m), very easy to park And still enough space for 7 adults (not too long legs of course) + about 2 suitcases or 1 wheel chair. But if you want a not too big car... Alza? Just 10 cm more...

The Exora is much longer... those who consider it should also consider the external dimensions. When I drove the Galaxy I nearly pooped in my pants The road suddenly seemed small and no parking space big enough.

d small radiator inside left bumper 4 turbo or cvt?noticed it has 2 fans too which is rare.
With the turbo min has to use semi oil,no more mineral?

i think that one is the CVT cooler
this exora did come with 2 radiator
not rare...my dad's waja also got 2 big fans there
and proton has been using semi syn oil all along

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 19 2011, 11:59 PM

no intercooler?

watercooled i think.

thanks. how about the interest rate for 5 years. is it the same, or lower?

kadajawi, u can go to malaysian customs website for info n howmuch the tax n go to maa website to make it easy for u to understand the tax.
Basically for every car below 1800 in malaysia, they have to pay 75% excise duty n 10% sales duty including prtn n perodua. But for ckd, they have to pay extra 10% import duty while cbu have to pay 30% import duty.
For mpv between 1500cc to 1800cc, excise duty is 65% n sales tax is 10%. Cbu n ckd import tax is flat rate at 30% for cbu, 10% for ckd for any segment n any capacity engine according to customs n maa.
Fyi, avanza 1.3 paying less tax than our local alza n exora coz for 1500cc n below mpv, ckd import tax is waved n only pay for 60% for excise duty n 10% sales tax n yet they expensive, even have less 5% tax than our local.
Ckd only 10% higher tax than local, but the price,is higher. Can anyone justify vios will be the same price as persona if only pay 10% more tax than persona? For me, it just becoz of cif n also toyota want high profit.

Generally,all local cars need to pay 85% tax, while exora n alza paying 75% tax.
All ckds' just add 10% n cbus 30%. Thats why nowadays conti n korean are cars cheaper than japs in msia such as fiesta, forte, recently launch citroen c4 n etc coz they r just take normal profit margin n add all the taxes. U just think how civic 2.0 can be far expensive than cbu pug 308thp156 n citroen c4thp156 when the conti offer more equipment level n better pwrtrain dept than hondas even civic is ckd? Same as lancer gt 2.0 cbu versus civic 2.0 n altis 2.0(both ckd, suppose to pay 20% less tax) but get same pricing in malaysia.

So kadajawi, just go to website i mentioned before. So, 19% in germany oppose 85% tax on locals in malaysia, what do u think? So, how much is exora bold without tax? I leave it to u to do the calculation.

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Added on December 20, 2011, 4:40 amand why toyota@daihatsu gave perodua rebadged passo sette@ luminas.
My opinion, 1st profit. Why profit coz will jeoperdize avanza sales? The question is how much avanza sales before n after the arrival of grandlivina n exora? So, fyi, and i believe everybody is well informed that sales of myvi in malaysia only already beat sales of sirion n passo in entire japan, can u imagine that, myvi sales is better than what they are getting from their own country. If u ask me where gets the fact, just google, if lazy, search in paultan, there is a special post on that.
Tyota own daihatsu, daihatsu has stakes in perodua. Not only daihatsu gain profit coz they r the shareholders, n u must know that this is rebadge exercise, so that perodua has to pay rebadged royalty as agreement. N the mother off all profit gainer, toyota coz they own daihatsu.
So, killing 2 birds in 1 stone ha..gain profit from alza n at the same time has extra bonus selling avanza since not rugi for toyota, even assemble avanza at perodua. Kira side bonus jelah, klu dia xkuar avanza, mgkin bkal pembeli avanza akn beli glivina@exora. Alang2,mkn sini,mkn sana.

That is how business minded think. The same thing happen to mitsu, lancer sales loose bad with civic,altis even fote. Cannot sell well, prtn want to rebadged, opportunity come, no need pening2 nak hantar kete cbu byk2 kat stok yard, dah kena bayo cif, so duk goyang kaki, dpt mkn royalti dr inspira..tp klu lancer top seller kat msia,jgn hrpler mitsu nk bg.

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Added on December 20, 2011, 4:50 amif ford smax double the price of exora in msia, so meaning that, even compete with the same local tax apply to local cars, they r still expensive coz import duty only 30% from value of the car without tax. So, if smx cost u 160k, that is already including everything plus accesories,road tax, insurance n all insurance,profit dealer, so it supposed to be around 18k max( assuming value of the car 60k in malaysia before all the tax n dealer profit . Etc). So, 160k minus 18k, u got rm142k, which is still expesive than locals.this is same level playing fill condition where smax being tax the same as locals.
By the, the price of smax 160 just a sample coz somebody say before it price twice exora in msia,lazy to google for the price.

This post has been edited by mat79: Dec 20 2011, 04:50 AM

Thanks very good info sharing....

can anybody recommend me the best place to get exora bold premium?
best place as in offering the best, biggest discount and super duper highest trade in for an old junk.
thanks.

PS: within klang valley lah of course. kindly PM me instead of posting here.

I would suggest you to sell you car by yourself. If trade in sure get the minimum value. And since Bold is just launched, I don't think there will be any discounts. I'd suggest you to wait for end of next year for great year end discounts

Awesome mat79, thanks for the info! Somehow I thought the taxes for local cars are much lower.

Quite confusing, but if I understand correctly VW _could_ sell a CKD VW Touran 1.2 BlueMotion (lower FC... 5.9L/100 km), base spec with 105 hp, manual gearbox, 6 airbags, ESC, aircon and not much else for 103,5k?! You can buy one for 17000 Euro, without tax 14285 Euro. Add 75% as it would be a CKD under 1.5L, 25000 Euro, which atm is RM 103,5k. These blood sucking vampires!

The Exora would be 11021 Euro without taxes then, add 19% it's 13115 Euro. That would be extremely competitive. Give it 6 airbags and ESC and I think people might buy it in Europe.

Going completely off topic I just had a look at the Yaris (Vios hatchback)... a 1.3L one with 101 hp, manual gearbox, 4 airbags (dealer mentions only 4, but it should have 7...?), aircon and... that's it really would cost RM 72600 (if it's a CBU). So it's not much more expensive in Malaysia, it's just that Proton really knows how to make cheap cars (or rather they know how to cut cost... no wonder a Saga might have slightly poor build quality).

The MyVi hardly has competition in Malaysia, apart from P1 which people are kind of afraid of. In Japan there is much, much much more competition I'd imagine. Same thing in Germany, I think I've seen it less than 5 times there (strangely enough I know one person who bought it, and she really liked it. Her previous car was the Citroen that turned into the Tiara though... she might have liked any car).

The taxing got me thinking... Ford can sell the Fiesta for 81k here, in Germany one that is similarly spec'ed (without the DSG) is, I believe, around 20k Euro, so more or less the same price for a smaller (hatchback) worse spec'ed car, and here they have to pay 85% tax instead of 19%.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 20 2011, 02:13 PM

new model dont think got discounts. Even free gifts is quite limited.

I have lobang for ready stock BTW.

intercooler not for cooling of the turbo but cooling the AIR after compressed by the turbo before going into the engine. The prototype had a huge one

was wondering ... what kinda ron fuel they use on those exora test unit ??? 95 or 97 ???

This post has been edited by slowmo2020: Dec 20 2011, 04:44 PM

they are many things that need to be considered n especially tax around the world. Its like in uk, thay have vat, plus here,plus there, n they got the actual price, n buying cars outside especially in us, u can even bargain the selling price coz its up to the dealer to reduce their own profit to be competitive, i've not been there, but my sis staying there for 4 years working owning mazda 6.there,but sold it before coming back to malaysia.
Have u been working or living in germany before? Just asking coz i'm not really regular forumer here, just regular reader n maybe just miss out some info about u.
Its like singapore, their tax is not that high, but coe alone for exora mline auto cost u 44k sgd. U can check through their customs website also but easily obtain based car price coz they put all of it visibily on the net.
Like euro,even tax n insurance(normally they call it running cost)is based on co2. Many of them can owned beemer but not many that owned it can run it coz the running cost too high..
By the way,they used ron 95.

RON95 compatible.

I'm German, half ang mo, but grew up over there. Trying to learn how things are here, very fascinating and interesting

Yup, petrol is extremely expensive over there, that's why contis tend to have a rather low FC. Insurance in Germany is at least in parts determined by what car you drive (i.e. expensive to repair, often involved in accidents (car popular with beginners, wanna be F1 drivers etc.)), location (areas with many accidents means expensive), age, how long they have owned a car, when the last accident was, gender, occupation, if you own a garage, who is going to drive it, ... very confusing and complicated, and it can be really really expensive. Tax depended on the cc and the classification (Euro1, 2, 3, ...), which would be checked every few years to ensure the car doesn't stink too much (if it does, road tax will rise). The UK already switched to a CO2 based system, not sure but I think Germany intends to follow. Merc, BMW etc. are also generally more expensive when it comes to servicing, repairing, spare parts. --> Big, expensive cars don't get very good resale value, i.e. anyone can afford to buy a big Benz, driving it though... not so much.

There's water-cooled type intercooler.

refer to first page.

Its air-to-air intercooler.


Also, water-cooled intercooler is not efficient for a mass produce car. Its not a race car or a sprint car.

I thought Germany car road tax based on horse power and not engine cc?
I don't know 10 years ago I worked in Germany and I was told by local engineer.

This post has been edited by xiphone4: Dec 21 2011, 12:02 AM