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TSheavyarm
post Dec 9 2011, 01:57 PM, updated 10y ago

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WE WILL TRY TO DO PRICE MATCHING IF U FOUND CHEAPER PRICE

HEAVYARM KEYBOARD HOUSE: WELCOME!

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ABOUT US: HEAVYARM
HeavyArm is Reputable Hybrid Online and Retail Shop of Gamestore and PC Accessories Store which located @ Subang Jaya SS15, Malaysia. Click here for Map! If you are new to mechanical keyboard/ branded keyboard, u can look for our services! We provide you with simple explanation and most important is you can try those great keyboard in our store. We do carry keyboard products of SteelSeries, Razer, Rosewill, Alienware, Cooler master CM Storm, Ducky Channel, Logitech Gaming, Vortex (Soon), Roccat. We do ship out our products within Malaysia and International. Please don't hesistate to contact us if you have any questions.

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BANK-IN DETAIL: WE DO SHIP INTERNATIONAL!

Seller Location: Subang Jaya (Stevie)
Business Hour:Weekdays 12:00 PM to 9:00 PM/ Sat 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM/ Sunday Close

Maybank:
HEAVYARM U GARAGE STORE
5122-2221-8970
heavyarm_subang@hotmail.com

CIMB:
HEAVYARM U GARAGE STORE
800-709-0050
heavyarm_subang@hotmail.com

Credit Card: 2% (Shop) 4% (Online)

Please key in my email with ur lowyat ID when bank in

Self Collect: Subang Jaya, Malaysia
Postage: Pos laju or Skynet (We are not responsible on parcel lost/ damage)
Contact Number: 017-2088412
MSN/ Email: heavyarm_subang@hotmail.com
Seller Location: Subang Jaya
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CM STORM MECHANICAL KEYBOARD: THE NEW RED FORCE!

1 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

CM Storm QuickFire TK Full Red LED (Mx Red) = RM399
CM Storm QuickFire TK Full White LED (Mx Brown) = RM399
CM Storm QuickFire TK Full Blue LED (Mx Blue) = RM399

CM Storm QuickFire Ultimate Red LED (MX Red) = RM449
CM Storm QuickFire Ultimate White LED (MX Brown) = RM449
CM Storm QuickFire Ultimate Blue LED (MX Blue) = RM449

CM Storm QuickFire Rapid-i White LED (MX Red) = RM449
CM Storm QuickFire Rapid-i White LED (MX Brown) = RM449
CM Storm QuickFire Rapid-i White LED (MX Blue) = RM449

CM Storm Trigger Full Red LED (MX Red): RM399
CM Storm Trigger Full Red LED (MX Black): RM399
CM Storm Trigger Full Red LED (MX Blue): RM399

CM Storm Trigger Z Full Red LED (MX Red): RM449
CM Storm Trigger Z Full White LED (MX Brown): RM449
CM Storm Trigger Z Full Blue LED (MX Blue): RM449

CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle (Membrane Keyboard + Mouse) = RM149
CM Storm Octance Gaming Bundle (Membrane Keyboard + Mouse) = RM199
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DUCKY CHANNEL MECHANICAL KEYBOARD: MADE IN TAIWAN!

2 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

Ducky Mini (Mx Blue/Mx Red) = RM389
Ducky Legend (Mx Blue/Mx Red/Mx Brown) = RM479
Ducky Shine 4 (Mx Blue/Mx Red/Mx Brown) = RM549
Ducky Shine 5 RGB (Mx Blue/Mx Red/ Mx Brown) = RM749

DK2087S Ducky Zero Shine Tenkeyless (Mx Brown) = RM429
DK2108 Ducky Zero (Mx Brown/ Blue/ Red) = RM339
DK2108 Shine Z Ducky Zero Shine Orange LED (Mx Brown/ Blue/ Red) = RM429
DK2108 Shine Z Ducky Zero Shine Blue LED (Mx Brown/ Blue/ Red) = RM429
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ROCCAT GAMING KEYBOARD: GERMANY DESIGN!

1 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

Mechanical:

Roccat Ryos Mk Pro (Mx Brown/ Red) = RM555
Roccat Ryos Glow (Mx Black/ Red) = RM435
Roccat Ryos Mk (Mx Brown/ Blue/ Red) = RM349

Non Mechanical:

Roccat Isku Illuminated = RM299
Roccat Iski Fx = RM339
Roccat Arvo Compact = RM169

Click for Full Details and Pictures: http://heavy-arm.com/en/15-gaming-keyboards
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CORSAIR MECHANICAL KEYBOARD: CRAFTED WITH HIGH QUALITY!

2 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

Corsair Strafe (Mx Brown/ Mx Red/ Mx Blue) = RM499
Corsair Strafe RGB (Mx Silent) = RM649
Corsair Strafe RGB (Mx Blue/ MX Brown/ Mx Red) = RM619

Corsair Vengeance K70 (Mx Blue/ Mx Brown/ Mx Red) = RM589
Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB (Mx Brown/ Mx Red) = RM789

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STEELSERIES GAMING KEYBOARD: DENMARK DESIGN!

We may do Price Matching for SteelSeries Gaming Keyboard

1 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

Mechanical:

SteelSeries 6Gv2 (MX Black) = RM429
SteelSeries 6Gv2 (Mx Red) = RM479
SteelSeries 7G (MX Black) = RM699

Non Mechanical:

SteelSeries Apex (Colorful LED) = RM399
SteelSeries Apex Raw (White LED) = RM299
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VORTEX MECHANICAL KEYBOARD: UNIQUE DESIGN!

1 Year Warranty: Demo Unit Will Available!

Vortex Poker 2 60% Thick PBT (Mx Brown/ Blue/ Red) = RM349
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RAZER GAMING KEYBOARD:

1 Year Warranty: Test Unit Available!

Mechanical:

Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Chroma = RM639
Razer BlackWidow Tournament Chroma = RM569

Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 Full Green LED (Razer Green Switch) = RM539
Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 Stealth Full Green LED (Razer Orange Switch) = RM539
Razer BlackWidow Expert 2014 (Razer Green Switch) = RM439
Razer BlackWidow Expert 2014 (Razer Orange Switch) = RM439
Razer BlackWidow Tournament 2014 (Razer Green Switch) = RM379
Razer BlackWidow Tournament 2014 Stealth (Razer Orange Switch) = RM379
Razer Orbweaver Mechanical Gaming Keypad (Mx Blue) = RM449
Razer Orbweaver Chroma Mechanical Gaming Keypad (Mx Blue) = RM599

Non Mechanical:

Razer Deathstalker Essential = RM189
Razer Deathstalker Expert = RM319
Razer Deathstalker Ultimate = RM999

Razer Tartarus Chroma Membrane Gaming Keypad = RM299
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TSheavyarm
post Jan 16 2012, 06:05 PM

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Original Post: http://www.pcworld.com/article/242037/mech...ght_switch.html

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How Do Mechanical Keyboards Work?

The Das Keyboard Model S Professional uses Cherry MX Blue switches.A mechanical keyboard uses an actual physical switch underneath each key to determine when a key has been pressed. Press the key, and you press the switch down. Press the switch down, and the keyboard sends a signal to the PC telling it that you've pressed that key.

That system is quite different from the one employed by most keyboards you're likely to encounter. The vast majority of keyboards used with PCs these days consist of three layers of plastic membranes lying underneath the set of keys. When the top and bottom layers connect, they close an electrical circuit that causes the keyboard to send information to the PC. The middle membrane keeps the two layers separate, but it has holes where the various keys are positioned. When you press a key all the way down, you push a dome-shaped piece of rubber or silicone through the holes in the middle membrane to connect the top and bottom membranes, creating the circuit that causes the keyboard to send the corresponding input. Technically, the keyboard operates very similarly to the keypad on your microwave oven or the remote control for your TV. Those device don't use rubber domes, however, which is why they don't provide much tactile feedback. Most console gaming system gamepads use a rubber-dome system, as well.

Rubber-dome keyboards are cheaper to manufacture than mechanical keyboards and they resist liquid spills better, but they don't provide as much tactile feedback for each button press. As a result, it's hard to know exactly how much pressure you need to apply to the N button before an N will appear on your screen. Mechanical keyboards tend to offer much better feedback. You can get mechanical switches that make loud clicking noises when you actuate the switch, or ones that give you slight resistance just before you actuate the switch. Alternately, you can choose a mechanical keyboard that encourages you to press the key all the way down to keep you from accidentally pressing the wrong key (a handy feature for gamers who want to avoid accidental keypresses).

One of the key features of a good mechanical keyboard is called N-Key Rollover. Keyboards with this feature detect each keypress independently. That means you don't have to worry about a letter not being recorded because you have too many keys pressed down at once. Keyboards without N-Key Rollover will simply ignore certain keypresses once you have too many keys held down at once.

If you connect your keyboard to your PC through a USB port, the most keys you can press at once and still have the keyboard recognize them is six. Almost all mechanical keyboards come with PS/2 connectors that don't have this limitation.
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What Kind of Switch Is Right for You?

These days, most mass-market mechanical keyboards use switches from the Cherry MX keyswitch line, manufactured by ZF Electronics (formerly Cherry Corporation). Different switches offer different types of feedback (audio and tactile) and require different amounts of force to actuate the key. The switches are color-coded, so when keyboard nuts refer to "Cherry MX Blues" and "Cherry MX Blacks," they're not talking about aesthetic preferences--the colors refer to switches with different characteristics. The first step in picking your perfect mechanical keyboard is figuring out which type of switch you prefer.

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Cherry MX Blue switches give you a tactile bump as well as an audible click. Image by Castin Cramer.When you press a key with a Cherry MX Blue switch, you'll feel a little bump and hear a high-pitched clicking sound the moment the keyboard input is sent to your PC. As you can see in the diagram, the switch is actuated when you press the key halfway down (right when the white piece starts to move downward). With a little practice, you can use this feedback to type faster while using less effort because you can teach yourself to stop pressing when you hear the click and feel the bump instead of pushing the key all the way down (called "bottoming out"). This gives the keys a lighter overall feel, which is great for writing, data entry, and other typing-intensive tasks. The clicking sound that the MX Blue switch makes is rather loud compared to the sound of other switches, however, which can be distracting to coworkers and family members. Of all the Cherry MX Blue-based keyboards we've tested, our favorite is the Das Keyboard Model S Professional.

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The Cherry MX Brown switch has a tactile bump but no audible click. Image by Castin Cramer.Cherry MX Brown switches are great for folks who don't like the loud click-click-click of the Cherry MX Blue switch but do like the tactile bump feeling. Since there's no clicking sound, you won't hear much noise from this keyboard unless you bottom out (at which point the sound can be rather loud), but you will feel the key response, because the key won't budge until you've pushed it down with enough force to actuate the key. Due to the MX Brown switch design, the keys require slightly less force for actuation, making them a nice alternative for people who want feedback from the keyboard but without the loud clicking they'd get with MX Blue switches. At this writing, the Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth Edition is our favorite keyboard incorporating Cherry MX Brown switches.

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The Cherry MX Black switch has no tactile bump or audible click. Image by Castin Cramer.Cherry MX Black switches don't provide tactile or audio feedback. Instead, the switch is completely linear and feels the same from the instant when you start pressing the key, through actuation, to bottoming out. These switches also require more force to actuate the keys than MX Brown and MX Blue switches do. As a result, you'll most likely bottom out on each keypress as you type. Black switches are very common in keyboards marketed for high-end PC gamers--possibly because encouraging the typist to bottom out can reduce the likelihood of accidental presses. On the other hand, they can feel less crisp and responsive than the blue or brown switches for prolonged typing work. So far, the Diatec Filco Majestouch Ninja is our favorite keyboard designed with Cherry MX Black switches.
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post Jan 16 2012, 06:06 PM

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post Jan 16 2012, 10:05 PM

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post Jan 28 2012, 05:03 PM

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Dun hv keyboard without num pad o smile.gif
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post Feb 8 2012, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(iDontCare @ Feb 8 2012, 12:09 PM)
bro, read the description and explaination ady. but i wanna ask if u got demo unit so i can try. Of course i come visit ur shop la
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of coz, come to my shop to try out oso no problem smile.gif
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post Feb 8 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Feb 8 2012, 05:02 PM)
item received tongue.gif

Ducky DK1008 (MX Brown) - Lee Meng KEONG!! not Leong  blush.gif
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Er.....why u so late inly dapat bro..... rclxub.gif
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post Feb 8 2012, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(iDontCare @ Feb 8 2012, 05:30 PM)
Then 1 of the days i drop by try and buy on the spot ba
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Thx boss. Do let me noe when u wan come ya
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post Feb 9 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Feb 8 2012, 08:21 PM)
i also no idea leh, too many public holiday gua.  rclxub.gif  btw below is my little review for it

Goods:
-nice pressing feeling(brown)
-simple design and solid quality  thumbup.gif

Bads:
-orange keycap which i not really like, i thought is red + purple keycap  rclxub.gif  but it is small issue tongue.gif

Conclusion:
- my first mechanical keyboard for this price is thumbs up.  thumbup.gif  bye bye ocz illuminati, time to keep you inside the box  tongue.gif
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nice to hear u enjoy ducky channel premium stuff biggrin.gif
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post Feb 11 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Existant @ Feb 11 2012, 01:36 PM)
Best price for DK9008s White + shipping to miri sarawak?
thanks bro!
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RM440. Shipping to east add Rm30~
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(garyrhuman @ Feb 15 2012, 12:42 AM)
just received in noon time and only can upload now biggrin.gif

this is the kb i wan!! blue black and brown is not my tea  blush.gif
btw thanx to stevie to answer my call at midnite just to confirm stock for me rclxms.gif
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Thanks for the effort to upload those pic!! Lol

QUOTE(garyrhuman @ Feb 15 2012, 12:58 AM)
more rclxms.gif

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


thanx again to stevie,2nd time deal with him already cool2.gif
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Thanks bos, will buzz u once arm rest coming!

QUOTE(kyrmian @ Feb 15 2012, 07:24 PM)
DK9008 Shining White LED (Cherry MX Red) = RM469

PM me shipping price, thank you.
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PMed u the shipping cost d smile.gif pls revert
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post Mar 21 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(ricstc @ Feb 22 2012, 08:02 PM)
Just want to give some words of PRAISE to Steve of Heavy Arm after his pre and post sale support of the Ducky DK9008 Shining White Led MX Blue keyboard I bought from him... KEEP UP THE GOOD SERVICE!!!
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Thank you ricky

QUOTE(khin88 @ Mar 18 2012, 02:18 AM)
Hi, kindly pm me best price + shipment to cyberjaya for DK9008 G2 PBT Edition (Cherry MX Red), thanks!
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RM460, postage to cyber add rm20

QUOTE(j.sun @ Mar 20 2012, 02:53 PM)
Just got myself a ducky shinning series from heavyarm. A very friendly seller.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Thanks you bos!

QUOTE(kaysa @ Mar 20 2012, 03:35 PM)
DK9008 G2 PBT Edition (Cherry MX Brown) = RM349
DK1008 (Cherry MX Brown) = RM309

Boss, can pm me the best price for this 2 keyboards?
for the PBT version, if I do not want the keycaps, can you give some discount? I might wanna purchase a set of keycaps from Taobao......
Let me know, ok?
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PM-ed

QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Mar 20 2012, 04:42 PM)
Boss is super friendly, highly recommended.

Too bad they focus on certain products and markets. Otherwise, I'll buy anything from them. tongue.gif lol
LOL, key caps and board comes together. I don't think they'd sell it separately. sad.gif

Or you can sell it to those who interested at the club(maybe me?) sweat.gif
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Thanks bro, enjoy ur pbt g2!

QUOTE(kyrmian @ Mar 21 2012, 11:45 AM)
I'm super interested in this

DK9008 G2 PBT Edition (Cherry MX Red)

But haven't gotten any replies from heavyarm PM yet. ;-;
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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Mar 21 2012, 07:13 PM)
Hello Heavy, PM me on DK9008 G2 PBT (MX Brown) and DK9008 Shining Blue LED (MX Brown)
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Check ur PM bos
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post Apr 2 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(whitesmith @ Mar 24 2012, 05:35 PM)
Does this DK9008 red switch come with free ducky wrist rest?
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Ya can redeem the free wrist rest when arrive o

QUOTE(kyrmian @ Mar 24 2012, 06:00 PM)
Thanks bro, ducky received. Amazing! ^^
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Thanks u!

QUOTE(shaoming90 @ Mar 30 2012, 06:56 PM)
pm me best price for 2 units of 1008xm shipping to nilai~~~tq
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Rm155 each

QUOTE(Darksauron @ Apr 2 2012, 04:29 PM)
Hi bro, can pm me your shop address? Want to test-test first... thanks smile.gif
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We located at SS15 opposite hailam kopitiam wink.gif
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QUOTE(Octopus88 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:31 AM)
can i know why the mx red switch is more expensive compare to the rest?
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coz it is non mainstream switch which produce lesser compare to others switch smile.gif
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QUOTE(ORGRZ`SLAY @ Apr 15 2012, 06:43 PM)
DK1008XM (Green Apls) = RM190RM155 (Entry Level!)
DK1008XM (Black Apls) = RM190RM155 (Entry Level!)

I need either on of this 2 , have to cod or postage ? If postage have to topup hwmch ?
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self collect at subang jaya, if u wan postage west RM20, east RM30 for tis keyboard smile.gif

QUOTE(yeahh @ Apr 16 2012, 09:37 AM)
DK9008 G2 PBT Edition (Cherry MX Red)
hi bro is this stock ready?

can i ask whether this comes with free wrist rest as well? thanks
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ya, ready stock smile.gif

QUOTE(5p3ak @ Apr 16 2012, 04:50 PM)
Hi I wanna ask the Ducky Channel DK1008 enter key is the ANSI type or ISO type? (2row or 1row)

Thanks. notworthy.gif
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lol...so hard questions. i ask ducky boss 1st thumbup.gif then replied u ok
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QUOTE(ORGRZ`SLAY @ Apr 18 2012, 02:27 AM)
Im from KL btw and can i get the DK1008XM (Black Apls) postage to KL for Rm170 ? Discount me Rm5 please biggrin.gif and ill buy it cnfm !
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postage to west is RM20 top up smile.gif so is Rm175

QUOTE(noobandroid @ Apr 19 2012, 05:38 PM)
yo heavyarm, remember cari saya when free rest comes yaa
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sure bro, ducky boss said will arrive before 1st week fo May...hmm

QUOTE(garyrhuman @ Apr 25 2012, 10:01 AM)
bro any idea to bring in Ducky Dragon Limited Edition kb? brows.gif  brows.gif brows.gif
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u wan i can bring laugh.gif
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QUOTE(garyrhuman @ Apr 26 2012, 09:26 AM)
how much den? drool.gif
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Estimate RM4XX o

QUOTE(kay-you @ Apr 30 2012, 07:22 PM)
Nice Seller (Y)
And i'm typing using Ducky keyboard tongue.gif
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Thanks you bos!

QUOTE(j.sun @ May 2 2012, 09:18 AM)
Bro, the ducky wrist rest not here yet?
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Haven. Supplier say tis week arrive. Zzz

QUOTE(wikzs @ May 2 2012, 11:52 AM)
Hi bro,

Please PM me price for Steelseries Merc Stealth including shipping to miri sarawak
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Left normal merc oli bro
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QUOTE(_707027_ @ May 3 2012, 06:40 PM)
Boss, item received in superb condition!  biggrin.gif
Fast reply, fast service, definitely recommended.

Thanks a lot  notworthy.gif
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Thanks bro. Enjoy ur ducky k!

QUOTE(rjongks @ May 12 2012, 01:42 PM)
PM me the best price with courier to Kuching for DK9008 Shining White LED (Cherry MX Brown).
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Rm439 with postage smile.gif

QUOTE(THMiyoung @ May 12 2012, 06:34 PM)
boss, CM Storm Trigger MX Brown no stock?
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Dun have mx brown for CM storm at the moment. Gt mx red and mx black oli o

QUOTE(zongeva @ May 14 2012, 08:54 AM)
hi there, can I know how much for the DK9008 Shining White LED (Cherry MX Blue)?
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Hi bro, we selling for RM399 smile.gif ready stock
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QUOTE(legendaryalvin @ May 14 2012, 02:24 PM)
best price for razer blackwidom expert. anyway, whats the different between expert, ultimate and stealth?
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PM-ed smile.gif

QUOTE(zongeva @ May 18 2012, 08:43 AM)
do you have Ducky DK9008G2 with Cherry MX Blue?
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oli left red switch RM350 smile.gif
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QUOTE(beebee @ May 19 2012, 09:11 PM)
Hi interesed  with dk 1008 mx brown , still available ?
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Hi bro, currently no stock for dk1008 mx brown d. How about cm storm black switch rm290?

QUOTE(menexpert @ May 20 2012, 02:46 AM)
hi, what is the black and green different for DK1008XM? available for self-collect?
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Hi bro i left dk1008xm black alps in stock. Black alps is quieter when typing compare to green alps

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