btw, on a serious note, i thought CVT don't work with turbocharged engine?

i think everyone misinterpret me on that. what i mean is, CVT can work with turbo engine, but they wear out CVT drivetrains more actually, thus your CVT "rosak" more easily compared to normal gears. i actually prefer dual-clutch for force induced engines.

better than innova or avanza definitely 

and this is the new avanza



seriously? 
personally i have nothing againts toyota but they need to stop bringin these rip off models here

price only
experience on driving it = total NIGHTMARE
its not worthed to buy a car solely becuz it has a better 2nd hand price and not having a good driving experience
i dn't know why ppl care so much abt the 2nd hand value while the car itself sarks big time...its just not worthed

tot cvt keep the rpm high?

EVO X use cvt rite?

but no reason to not include it now rite? this concerns the safety of the drivers and passengers

and that avanza is not the old model we're talking about....its the NEW model.scheduled to be launched this month or early next year

i dun think so....its facelifted around 2008

http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives...other-facelift/

that's why lor....they keep recycle it but still the same old tech inside and spec list still no improvements inside.price still rip off

better than toyota
not to say toyota is bad but the local model are really not worthed compare to proton/perodua
paid X2 price but quality is worse than p1/p2
if wan toyota...better buy those japanese model...those are real toyota
the only local toyota model that i see worthed is only hilux but the new hilux isn't as tough as the old ones already...quality dropped
the only downside is the underpower engine but can be compensated with unichip
the other model...totally not worthed
especially avanza....rumors say avanza is design by the accounting department...main purpose is to cut cost and for low income ppl(not really low income in fact)
i sit on avanza be4....NVH way worse than my saga blm...everywhere vibrate....my saga blm doesn't even vibrate....soundproof is on par with saga which doesn't even comes with soundproof
so for a better 2nd hand price...buying an avanza is totally nt worthed at all

i see.. but 138hp is soo low to be a burden to cvt btw,
its kinda like low compression turbo only..

haha....the NVH rough engine ..like i said...the car doesn't even come with soundproof compare to avanza full soundproof
heavy steering is actually the advantage of proton...or should i say the nature of lotus handling
when u cruise highway..that heavy steering will enable u to drive with 1-2 finger yet car is still so stable
and cornering also very confident
in the other hand...the super soft toyota steering is their weaknesses....when they drive slow or fast also need to hold it tightly with 2 hand..so tight like its going to loss control
if next time u drive european car like merc and BMW...u'll know why...and dnt complain heavy steering at that time

ps: not just toyota, p2 as well cuz they're the same

I drove a 325i M-sports recently. VERY heavy steering.........

not to say super handling
just that that heavy steering is better when u drive on highway or high speed...u dn't need to grab the steering so tight
corner is not brilliant but consider very good for that price..and somemore saga's height is quiet high...not really low
i saw alot of toyota and p2 drivers holding their steering so tight with 2 hand when even driving slow

i wonder wat u talking actually.
swift is double the price of blm.
and even that 1.3 blm can do 170-180 on highway no problem..
noew we got 1.6 flx se summore..
200 is no problem.. ( bye2 vios.. u can do 170-180 only )