last nite around 4am my sg bark non stop.. in his sleeping pouch..
just before that around 10pm, i played with him.. quite a long time..
he even roam around my room for a while.. then at 4am.. i woke up coz he bark non stop at all.. i tried to calm him down.. talked with him.. rub his head..but it won't work.. i tried to take him out.. but he refuse..
i felt kinda scary maybe he saw something that i didn't see.. but he keep barking... does anybody know why.?

he bored la...mayb after u play with him..then he wanna continue play...or ur sg looking for some1 he can "pour his heart out" to le...

barking is normal..think so
my sg sumtime also like that..mybe she hungry/flies kacau her also bark/smell sumthing also bark..whatever she felt not uncomfortable

my 'research' after 6 year owning lovely sg

Hi there.

I have a situation in hand: My female sugar glider looks like this...
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Background:
Cage is the normal big cage. Nestbox house.
Currently 3 sugar gliders in the cage - male, female, and 13-day-old joey.
There are other cage colonies in the room - 7 other big cages with a pair of sugar gliders in them. None, including the male mate and the new joey is suffering from the "situation".

Has been this way since mating time, I think. Is it possible of a rough mating happening - the male bites the neck and overgrooms the area? Because judging from the position, the female cannot overgroom that area by herself.

Another question: How long does it take to get back the back of the neck coat? My other sugar gliders have shiny and healthy coats due to good eating habits.

woah O_O

i my self never seen glider like dis.. but if its gets any worst, its better u rush to the Vet.

Go to the vet, it might be some fungus or mites.
Too clean for a mating wound.

hey all! i have a problem, i just bought a sg last week, and she keeps on refusing on eating hpw, the things she ate was apple, grape and boiled chicken. i tend to have to force her to eat hpw by using syringe. but i pitied her. like she suffered alot. i brought her to a vet last few days, and even the doctor said that it is weird if gliders dun eat hpw. it is not underage, 2months plus.

so my question is, should i hand feed (dat means force her) to eat hpw, or just let her eat the apples and boiled chicken? is it ok if she dun eat hpw?
i tried mixing hpw and fruits and chicken. she wont even come near to them.

Hi guys,

I just bought a pair of SG last week. The male (Grumpy) seems to be very aggressive when I put my hand in. Grumpy always scratching himself even in the morning when he is sleeping. I brought him to Vet today and the Dr say he was too stress.

But the female (Daisy) loves playing with Wodent wheel and picky with food. I am feeding them both with HPW with vege and fruit daily.

I am worry about Grumpy that noise (closing door, car sound and etc) around my room will further stress him.

what HPW are you using?instant HPW or HPW starter kit?
maybe you mixed your HPW tak sedap..lol idk


1.instant HPW:
-mixing completed
-easy,if you dont have blender.ie:students in hostels

2.HPW starter kit:
-mix on your own
-must have blender
-mix with honey,water and fresh eggs

honey: advisable use Capilano brand,as i heard many here are using this.
dont buy raw honey


do you give her supplements?

sprinkle them on suggies's fruits
A ) Pure Acacia Gum - carbohydrate source and easy digestion

B ) Gliderade - nectar supplement and carbohydrate source

C ) Glider Booster - vit & mineral source tops up whatever nutrient that's lacking suggie

D ) Glider Cal

- 1 - 2 fruit + 1 vege + protein (meat / insects) + calcium supplements(yogurts)

FRUITS & VEGES = make sure the overall ratio served daily is 2:1, meaning 2 parts Calcium to 1 part Phosporus.

vege...can give sawi,bak choy,capsicum,etc

Calcium:Phosphorus explanation...
The glider's body, can't absorb Phosphorus just like that by itself. They need Calcium to "transport" the Phosphorus through their digestion system. One Phosphorus need one Calcium to be absorbed. So if there's not enough Calcium for the Phosphorus to combine with, the Phosphorus will start ABSORBING Calciums from your sugar glider's bones. That's how the Hind Legs Paralysis came about; Calcium deficient in their bones.So if you feed something with 80g of Phosphorus in it, you better feed something else with 160g of Calcium. At least more than 80g because the 1st 80g will be absorbed by the Phosphorus. So minimum ratio 2:1 means, the amount of Calcium must be 2 times more than the Phosphorus

Vegetables really depend on ur glider, some glider prefer this some glider prefer that... Jus make sure u avoid corn, rhubarb, iceberg lettuce, cucumber and etc.. Some are toxic for them, some are zero nutritional for glider..some are too high in phosphorus..

tembikai susu, jambu air, betik, jambu batu,tembikai biasa all good. oren not so much they can cirit as do many sour acidic fruits.. careful with high phos content like banana and coconut or durian grapes pun cant give so much the high oxalates prevent cal absorption....very sparingly only...as treats not as staple diet

Very important. When feeding orange and apples, you have to leave the skin on coz if you peel it, the phosphorus level would be higher than the calcium level.

Watermelon do not overdo. It will make the poo very watery. Orange once a week or twice a week, a small cube per glider. Try feed berries... my gliders love blueberries and cherries, very high in antioxidant.
since it's taking hpw u can try pouring the hpw on the fruits and vegy...sawi i normally hang ten they will play as well as eat it..
u oni give apple?try give more variety..can try mango,papaya


SO,you newbies must try out what fruit,vege,etc they like....just like human,we dont like to eat just nasi everyday,sometimes we feel like eating kuey teow or spaghetti or whatever la kan.you get what i mean? and they are small creatures,need to balance up their diet...you guys must educate yourself find out the content of the fruits...is it stable or not..if overdose its not good

note: the one in bold,are all notes that i took from advices given in this thread.and some reading and researching i have done years ago.So feel free to tell me points that are wrong,i will accept it i'm willing to learn more and more correct if i have wrongs. just trying to help

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Added on March 8, 2012, 10:42 pmhe might be grumpy (stress) because he hasn't adapted to you yet.
what i did when i first got my glider,i put my shirt that i wore all day(not too sweaty)...(please dont use your shirt that is basah with sweat )
okey,you put it over the cage for 1 or 2 days......it is believed that the glider will recognise the smell,and when you wanna take him out of the cage,he will smell you a bit,and kenal you..he will be happy and climb on your hand willingly (and it worked for me)

OH!...dont put your shirt if you have perfume/fragrance on...because its not your normal body smell...
sometimes sugar glider are scared because of new smells they dont recognize

good luck!update us if it works

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Added on March 8, 2012, 10:54 pmby the way, Wombaroo Small Carnivore Food = as replacments for insects


from sifu on the thread: (i copy paste it)
"do not feed flies pupa, grasshopper n others insects. but overseas, people feeding a few type of insects. but the problem is. insects contain difference level of fat n protein in their differance life state. if we wrongly feed it on the high FAT low PROTEIN stage. its not healthy to the animal, especially glider. the "carnivore food" contains insects which is from High Protein stage and also it contains a few type of insects.

if we want to feed live insects, it is actually advise to feed difference type of insects rather only mealworms. only mealworms is not balance.
- what i give is carnivore food daily as the main insect protein intake (20% of their diet), those canned insect i give as treats. 1 ech daily for them.silkworm 1 or 2 each day OR 3 times per week"


This post has been edited by sheilameow: Mar 8 2012, 10:54 PM

im using instant hpw. only add water. so that means i would have to hand feed her everyday eh? adoiii. cz she wont touch the hpw if i put it in the cage together with other fruits and vege. i did sprinkle lil it of acaccia gum, and glider cal. thats all.
picky little cratter they are.
thank you btw

dont force,she'll get used to it,just continue to put on the fruits,pour hpw on the fruits etc.

i quoted from eric said,in first page,please go and read.its very important,the first page
" Give the diet a chance before deciding your gliders don't like it. Sugar Gliders can be like 2 year olds, and have similar eating patterns. One week they will go without touching any fruit, the next that is all they will eat."

Hi all,
Have question to ask.
i got 2 joey and one always like to cling at the back of the another..
is it ok or i shall separate them?
furthermore, regarding bonding shall we wake them because i notice they sleep whole day =/

Guys,

My male SG had just pass 5 months. His head is getting bald. The problem is the strong odour from my sg. Izzit normal ? how do i remove the smell ?

i've seen this question been asked before in this thread,one of the sifu said,it might be because it is young,and usually joeys (ay sugar gliders) would cling on their mothers back.don't seperate them! it would make them emotional.just imagine yourself in a small room and have nobody to talk to or play,would that make you crazy?..yeah so,whenever you want to make a decision,just think of it this way hope this helps you

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Added on March 11, 2012, 2:41 pmit is normal that they have odour,because just like cats and dogs,the males would 'mark their territory'.
just don't spray perfume or try to wash their blankets and make them smell good,because this might frighten the sugar gliders of the new smell.
what i did is i would transfer them in a smaller cage while they are sleeping in their pouch (afternoon/morning), and i will wash the main cage where they are staying just wash by scrubbing with sponge and water. you can do this like monday,wednesday,friday,sunday...selang satu hari if you rajin

remove their poops,wipe their pee. it sounds like hard work,but you can do this when they're eating.
you must also change the sugar gliders sleeping pouch or any other DIY material that you have in their cage....
change meaning (change when they are playing or eating,not while they are comfortably sleeping),
what i did: i buy 2 or 3 sleeping pouch, and one you wash,another you replace it...some thing like this.please dont wash it with detergents,because it might leave a nice smell for humans,but sugar gliders feel it is dangerous and will be scared like hell..

i saw a spray that is selling in shops for the odour, to comb the sugar gliders fur so it smells less.but i haven't tried this before,and i think its a risk.what if the other sugar glider dont like it...they might become scared of each other lol idk,that's what i think

Oh! and the other thing is their diet...what you feed them,just like humans,if you dont have balanced food or you over consume some things,your armpit smell will be gross! haha so their diet,you should see is it really stable? did you give them variety of insects? did you give them variety of vegetable fruits? what about hpw diet? you should try this if you aren't and add some vitamins on their food like:

a)glider booster- vit & mineral source tops up whatever nutrient that's lacking suggie. (Gliders are picky eater, sometime even if we prepare and provide them well balanced fruits and vege, they will choose those they like and eat.. and this lead to nutrition lacking if happens for long period..Glider Booster is a supplement that actually helps to replenish the nutrition that your glider lack or short of.. To ensure they get all the nutrition they need.)

b)gliderade - nectar supplement and carbohydrate source.helps avoid dehydration

c)acacia gum - carbohydrate source and easy digestion

just know that having sugar glider you cant bath them,so instead you must bath the place they are living in.and just know that sugar gliders will continue 'marking their territory' and pooping and making smell etc so we need to be extra rajin goodluck

This post has been edited by sheilameow: Mar 11 2012, 02:41 PM

oh okie thx sheila =)

i forgot to answer this.....
my dear,sugar gliders are nocturnal animals
this means they sleep during the day,but at night when sun goes down they are active and awake.
So, don't wake them up during the day unless they wake up. but you still have to give them their 'midnight' snack.
when it is afternoon for human...it is 'midnight' for sugar gliders

i hope you understand,please dont hesitate to ask.
clearly you are a newbie for sugar gliders

Hey, Sheila.

Thanks for your advice. I will try that out!!

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Added on March 13, 2012, 11:45 amGuys, so you know where to get anti pill fleece? I want to make some DIY toy for my suggie. Any idea?

This post has been edited by johnleong: Mar 13 2012, 11:45 AM

hi!

i'm a newbie in both lowyat forum and also in suggies

my friends got me a suggie (named him Blackjack) last month for my birthday and i've been doing research on suggies care since then. but still i can't seem to find the answers to my questions, so i thought i might as well ask here because i've been following this thread as well and a lot of you seem to know so much about suggies. hopefully you people are able to guide me !

1. i know it's normal for suggies to sleep all day (especially young ones. Blackjack is 3 months now) but i'm always worried that he might be starving since he doesn't eat whole day but just sleep. so i tend to wake him up once or twice to feed him, but he always goes back to sleep after taking some bites. is it ok if he just sleeps through the day without drinking and eating anything?

2. Blackjack isn't exactly afraid of me anymore because he no longer crabs at me, but i still think he's not exactly bonded with me yet. he allows me to hold him, stroke him and all, but when i put him on my body, he likes to jump and run away. is this normal? because i know that some suggies are very bonded to their owners where they just stick to their owners only. but mine.... makes me feel so upset each time he runs away from me. i've been trying hard to bond with him ie: bring him out with me in the bonding pouch most of the time, gently stroke him when he's sleeping and leaves my hand inside his pouch so that he can get my scent and even talking to him.

3. also my friends (both of them have few suggies) told me that since Blackjack is still young, his digestive system isn't that good yet. so i was told to feed him with HPW in the morning and some fruits in the noon, and ensure milk at night. i've been doing this routine for a month now and i'm not sure if it's sufficient for him because i just recently learned about the ratio of calcium:phosphorous (which i'm still confused at!) . should i continue my routine of HPW, fruits+vege, milk at night? i see most of the suggies owners feed a proper meal to their suggies (vege+HPW+fruits) everyday but Blackjack doesn't eat a lot most of the time he just nibbles a lil and leave the rest. it worries me a lot because i'm so afraid of him getting hungry

4. last question! i've been thinking all day long (few days!) if i should get another suggie for Blackjack. i know suggies are colonial animals and they are better off being in pairs or groups. but i wanted to get another on at a later time because Blackjack is not so bonded with me yet (afraid if i get him a gf, he will palau me even more ) and besides, i want to further educate myself first before getting another one. then again, i really want Blackjack to be introduced to another suggie at a young age rather when he's adult. such a huge dilemma what you guys think?

okay that's all for now. so so so so so sorry for being so long-winded, but i'm really clueless, not knowing what to do and i really need to hear from the experts. thanks in advance !

TO : quineechow

answer to question:
1.sugar gliders sleep during the day,so its normal if they don't wake up to eat. they will wake up on their own when they feel hungry. This is why,we need to always have food and water (i use water bottle and canister) 24hours in their cage. What i did is, their main meal time is after sun sets,and i see them quite active,i will serve them their meal. my dear,when sun sets it is "their morning".but when sun rises it is "their sleeping time"

2.the greatest method to make him eternally bond with you is have bond time.when you play with him,he will climb on you,and sometimes you should give treat like insects or 'yogurt drop product' (not the yogurt we buy at supermarket ok). sugar glider will jump and run here run there just like small kittens. they're playing with you.So make sure the room you play is glider-proof...if you don't know what this means you can see page one of this thread explaining play time. Oh,my suggies at first they are scared to explore the room,so they always stay on my body. maybe your glider has different character,he's more like an adventurer it's normal,and plus he's 3months old.let him explore,but please follow him,don't let him out of your sight. OH! when my gliders were young,i put my shirt that i wore almost one day, over the cage for few days or more.put your shirt with no perfume on,just your everyday-body smell..not sweat okey.because you don't sweat every day rite hehe. okey,it works because when the sun sets (their morning) they will climb the cage and smell the shirt,and maybe bite.you can change the shirt. but it must be your natural body smell.So next time,when you take him out to play,he will be on your body...because its like "hmm this smell is like my home"= Your body HAHAH...i hope you understand!

3. what do you mean not good digestive system..how they know ha?haha okey,it depends what you feed them is it stable?...what kind of milk are you giving?why on earth do you need to give him milk..as far as i know,if he is 2months younger you have to give milk because he doesn't get it form his mommy.but yours is 3months, i think you don't need to give him milk.
not all suggies like the fruit/vege that other owners give.its like your little baby,maybe he likes apples,but other baby don't like apples (EXAMPLE).
Okey...this is a quote i copy from somewhere,i think one sifu last time...

Sugar gliders nutrient have three parts:
1.STAPLE = what u will feed them DAILY, the main source of nutrient intake..
2.TREAT = snacks in between when u want to feed them, to bond/tame with them..
3.SUPPLEMENT = can be lots of supplement, just depends on the condition of ur currents gliders' states..

Here's a few to HELP YOU :-

STAPLE :-

A ) HPW Diet = it contains Wombaroo High Protein Powder, bee pollen, eggs, honey and water.
**this is why you don't need to feed him with milk replacer because it already contains in the HPW Diet you are using**
B) there's other type of staple,bt you don't need to know.so that you are not confused

TREAT :-

A ) Mealworms or Insects = as treats (coz you are using HPW Diet as STAPLE)
B ) Yogurt Drops
C ) Dried Fruits

SUPPLEMENT :-

**sprinkle them on suggies's fruits/vege
A ) Pure Acacia Gum
**occassionaly, u can sprinkle on the fruits, or put on chewing stick (took from Eric)
carbohydrate source and for easy digestion
B ) Gliderade
**twice a week
nectar supplement and carbohydrate source-helps avoid dehydration (lack of water)
C ) Glider Booster
**daily
vit & mineral source tops up whatever nutrient that's lacking suggie. (Gliders are picky eater, sometime even if we prepare and provide them well balanced fruits and vege, they will choose those they like and eat.. and this lead to nutrition lacking if happens for long period..Glider Booster is a supplement that actually helps to replenish the nutrition that your glider lack or short of.. To ensure they get all the nutrition they need.)
D ) Glider Cal
if u are feeding hpw, u don need this, but make sure u feed high calcium fruits/vege.

SO Basic i will recommend u go for HPW+ Vege+Fruits. and Gliderade twice a week for carbohydrate source.


REPLACEMENT FOOD :-

A ) Wombaroo Small Carnivore Food = as replacments for insects.
**if you geli to buy the fresh insect,you should feed them with this.AND owh,if you give them live Insects please give them everyday.BUT if you are giving them "HPW Diet" so the insects give them as treats not everyday

from Eric OWNER of the thread: (i copy paste it)
"u can give everyday,but inly 20% portion of their meal.do not feed flies pupa, grasshopper n others insects. but overseas, people feeding a few type of insects. but the problem is. insects contain difference level of fat n protein in their differance life stage. if we wrongly feed it on the high FAT low PROTEIN stage. its not healthy to the animal, especially glider. the "carnivore food" contains insects which is from High Protein stage and also it contains a few type of insects.
if we want to feed live insects, it is actually advise to feed difference type of insects rather only mealworms. only mealworms is not balance.
- what i give is carnivore food daily as the main insect protein intake (20% of their diet), those canned insect i give as treats. 1 ech daily for them.silkworm 1 or 2 each day OR 3 times per week"
MORAL OF D STORY=just buy the Small Carnivore Food

the calcium:phosphorus is Ca:P = 2:1 meaning for fruits and vegetable...2parts Calcium and 1 part Phosphorus
Ca:p :The glider's body, can't absorb Phosphorus just like that by itself. They need Calcium to "transport" the Phosphorus through their digestion system. One Phosphorus need one Calcium to be absorbed. So if there's not enough Calcium for the Phosphorus to combine with, the Phosphorus will start ABSORBING Calciums from your sugar glider's bones. That's how the Hind Legs Paralysis came about; Calcium deficient in their bones.So if you feed something with 80g of Phosphorus in it, you better feed something else with 160g of Calcium. At least more than 80g because the 1st 80g will be absorbed by the Phosphorus. So minimum ratio 2:1 means, the amount of Calcium must be 2 times more than the Phosphorus
do you know how to choose the fruit and vegetable that is stable 2:1??try and research,and i think Eric gave link in first page
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/calcium...tios_sorted.pdf and continue http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/calcium...rous_ratios.pdf
Check the calcium:phosphorus ratio and also oxalates level of the fruits & vege before feeding to your sugar glider.


this picture is from someone,this is his daily feed to his glider. Oh,you can go and buy at Daiso the japanese shop (i know one at Curve) sells SO MANY SMALL PLATES LIKE THIS... or any shops if you found.

Last answer to your question:
I recommend you take care of one first and educate yourself.then later if you decide to get another glider,you can read first page eric wrote about 'introducing'.

if you are taking care of blackjack all day long,i mean,you don't work/school...and you are always there when he opens his eyes and spends time with him long hours,you don't need another glider. Because,people usually gets another glider because,they are not constantly with their gliders,and they dont stay up at night or something.if you have difficulties spending time with your glider,its best if you get another one.But,i think you should stick with one first hehe,because if you get two,you might not be used to controlling both of them jumping here and there

i hope i didn't miss out any.and if my answer is not clear,ask again! goodluck

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Added on March 14, 2012, 9:50 pmSome may ask : What are Oxalates?

Oxalates bind with iron and calcium in foods so the body is not able to utilise all of the calcium and iron in that food. You should however note that Oxalate does not stop the synthesis of iron or calcium in the other foods in a diet, but only the food containing Oxalate. It is not recommended to feed foods high in oxalate every day and is wise to rotate the fruits and vegetables enough to account for this.

For example, let's say you feed Parsley every day because it is high in calcium. You need to consider that a lot of the calcium is not being absorbed because of the Oxalates. So it is best not to feed Parsley everyday.

Amongst the vegetables and fruits that are high in Oxalates are:

Beans (baked, green, dried, kidney)
Blackberries
Beets
Blueberries
Celery
Carrots
Figs
Collards
Kiwi
Eggplant
Lemon peel
Kale
Lime peel
Okra
Orange peel
Parsley
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Spinach
Strawberries
Tangerines
Sweet potato
Zucchini

These are some people from this thread yang lepas2 give tips:

Vegetables really depend on ur glider, some glider prefer this some glider prefer that... Jus make sure u avoid corn, rhubarb, iceberg lettuce, cucumber and etc.. Some are toxic for them, some are zero nutritional for glider..some are too high in phosphorus..

tembikai susu, jambu air, betik, jambu batu,tembikai biasa all good. oren not so much they can cirit as do many sour acidic fruits.. careful with high phos content like banana and coconut or durian grapes pun cant give so much the high oxalates prevent cal absorption....very sparingly only...as treats not as staple diet

Very important. When feeding orange and apples, you have to leave the skin on coz if you peel it, the phosphorus level would be higher than the calcium level.

Watermelon do not overdo. It will make the poo very watery. Orange once a week or twice a week, a small cube per glider. Try feed berries... my gliders love blueberries and cherries, very high in antioxidant.

Since its taking hpw,u can try pouring on the fruits and veggie.sawi i normally hang on the cage,and sometimes they will play and eat them.

please change the water in their water bowl everyday,and wash the container,and dont put too much water in,they might drown!


- these are my few purees receipe

1) red dragon fruits, golden kiwi, orange ( abit only) and mango.
2) Mango, apple and pear
3) french bean, broccoli (soak long long time pls), tomato & abit honey

remember NEVER EVER OVERDOSE calcium. it will cause stone problem.whoever supplement their glider with calcium n worried they may overdose, you can get cramberry juice from super market , give ur glider half a teaspoon everyday. that will prevent stone problem. make sure its PURE crambery juice ya.

i quoted from eric said,in first page,please go and read.its very important,the first page
" Give the diet a chance before deciding your gliders don't like it. Sugar Gliders can be like 2 year olds, and have similar eating patterns. One week they will go without touching any fruit, the next that is all they will eat."


This post has been edited by sheilameow: Mar 14 2012, 09:50 PM