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akisendro
post Dec 8 2011, 11:53 PM

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hmm sorry if someone have brought this before ... but is any company in Silicon valley does need such license to run/startup the company ...

i dont recall any scene on the social network where mark zuckenberg have to register his comp with the big boss there .............. this is suicidal move for me for IT future ..

a lot of comp have to beg for the G for the license ... and those so called incubator will filled with filthy cronies there ............ i rest the case
akisendro
post Dec 9 2011, 12:10 AM

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i believe this is some sort of controlling the freedom in cyberworld ... they ady have the cyber law ... MCMC .... and now they're inventing another new rules ....

with current G is having more IT related project (i.e HSBB .... etc etc) such move looks like for me are more related in identifying which company are supporting the G ....

the project will be awarded not because of the credible bidders ..... but how close u r with <INSERT whatever u want> ......

inb4 ... just wonder what happen to those open bidding systems ......


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post Dec 9 2011, 01:03 AM

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they want to implement such thing like what in ausie .... they have one body controlling the IT pro over there .. its called australian computer society (ACS)

but the thing is ... in ausie .. it was form by the professional there .. the move was not started by the G ... and i believe the G dont give a heck about it ... and later ..... because of the strong move by the society ...
ACS has become a professional body ...

how come such body to control this so called professional is mooted by the G ... (got udang i think) .... lets the professional choose for themselves la

im just afraid .. this kind of thing will lead into something BS .... just like what happened to other professional body which controlled by the G ..

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akisendro
post Dec 9 2011, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(soujiro_seta @ Dec 9 2011, 02:20 AM)
which professional body controlled by the G?  hmm.gif
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not directly by the G ... but the act which control it ... lawyers ... surveyors .. engineers ..... i dont know all .... except for the BAR council .. most this body are now a place for the cronies to hv their influence .. and some of the boards elected with the influence he have.......
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post Dec 10 2011, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(NoobboyZzZ @ Dec 10 2011, 03:25 AM)
do you know mostly IT worker also keyboard warrior? goverment try to make us have a hard time
, i though we citizen build up goverment is for our safety but not NOT.
we must do something before too late
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mean now i need to format pc by it self also get sue ? lol ?
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even keyboard warrior can influence the mass protest .. .remember the ARAB spring ... the words just spiral among the netizens at 1st ...... but after a while .. the man in power are now history .. not only for 1 country ... but almost every arab country were affected ...

here..... still remember the GE 2008 ???? how those political blogs have influences the urban voters ....... i really doubt when someone told me the keyboard warrior cannot do anything with this ... in fact this is the best thing we can have .... remember .. the thing that you cant take from the person away is the IDEA ... one move can rattle down and deny the 2/3 majority last time .. and now .. i dont think its possible with the mass movement started with just a simple words/post from these so called "KEYBOARD WARRIOR" ... sorry for the TLDR
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post Dec 10 2011, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(doppelganger111 @ Dec 10 2011, 03:55 AM)
Even if you just consider the development perspective, in theory, if you write an Excel macro, you fall under this bill as well...

If a board should exist, firstly, it needs to deliver value to its members.  For example, by running internationally-renowned examinations for specific products (i.e. Oracle Certification), providing access to academic journals, acting as a union, etc.  If not, it is sucking money for nothing.

Secondly, if such a board should be setup, it should not be setup by the government - every government puts in place laws that are ideally long-term and for stability purposes - there is no such thing as "long-term" in terms of technological advancement.  As a result, the board needs to be setup by the professionals themselves.

Thirdly, membership of a board should never be mandatory as it devalues the quality of said membership, unless that membership is really something that is difficult to earn (i.e. certification of medics and lawyers).  Anyone with a computer and a text editor can become a software developer, while you need a degree, additional training, additional qualifications and lots of experience to become a doctor or lawyer.

I can see merit in membership of a board for critical projects such as hospital systems and would not mind a hospital demanding such certification, but in practice it doesn't really matter because experience is always better.  Would a company rather hire someone with membership of this board with a subject in security, or someone who has worked with security software companies and actually developed things with them?

In order for this membership to be worth it, the board itself needs to be internationally-respected by professionals and governments.  It can only be internationally-respected if the professionals themselves find true value in joining this group (see the first reason above), where a hirer will see this membership certificate and realise that this candidate has gone through the trouble of certifying himself or herself with a renowned board.

Making it mandatory, however, defeats the point, and is probably infeasible - how do you certify every single person who has worked on software today in Malaysia?  Are you going to cram thousands of people into some exam hall in KL and force them to learn?

In my experience, IT training is often rather rubbish, anyway, unless it is in a specific technology or product (i.e. Oracle Certification, JCP (Java), Microsoft training, etc.).  There might be some merit in things like ethics courses or copyright courses, but then again, these should ideally be taught at school level more than anything.

So the government needs to step back and let the professionals work it out.  They will be the ones who will sign up or leave the country, after all.  If it's accountability they are worried about, don't blame the developers and architects - blame the project managers.  Regulating the developers is like regulating the cleaners - it really isn't their fault.
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i do agree with some points ...... but the move for the bills which asking all the IT professional to be the members of the board is not a wise move ... if you're professional enough.. this kind of body should be exist on their own ... not by some kind of act or bills .... professional for professional ....

QUOTE(soujiro_seta @ Dec 10 2011, 04:00 AM)
professional need license.
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yes they do .... but only if they're willing to have one .... the difference between the professional by paper compared to those with experience are immense ..........


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