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friedmihun
post Dec 13 2018, 08:37 AM

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hi guys wanna ask, new betta owner here. i have a few qs..

1) what does it mean if my betta swims with his fins close to his body? sorry i dont know what type of betta he is. i just got him 12 days ago. previously he looks really beautiful swimming with all his tail and fins opened up in the fish shop, but now it seems closed. was wondering is this a sign of stress or sickness.

2) he recently has a problem floating properly, he swims vertically and that really scares me. i read up and think he has swim bladder disease. is this dangerous? will he recover from this and usually how long will he be normal again? previously i fed him with bettaX pellets from the pet shop: i followed the instruction of 7 pellets, twice daily...however i read up and saw people recommending to only feed 2-3 pellet twice a day. Am i overfeeding him? and why would the betta pellet instruction says to give 7 huhu.. i'm worried that i might kill him

3) i recently bought a larger tank for him, an upgrade from a small jar, however he doesnt seem to really like it. he only stays in the upper right and left corner and sometimes darts back and forth. he doesnt seem to explore his tank. why is that?

4) i was thinking of incorporating dried bloodworms flakes to his diet, how frequent should i feed him these?

sorry for the many qs, just worried for my betta - he doesnt seem too active and happy
friedmihun
post Dec 14 2018, 06:36 PM

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Hi junyang96 victorsoo

Thank you both for your replies. I really appreciate it so much that you both took the time to explain to a newbie like me.

Unfortunately, my Fighter died this morning sad.gif

3 days ago, i saw something that look like white specks at his belly area. I thought it was fungus. I then proceeded to order some ketapang leaves in hope that this will cure him. Also i thought it would be better for the water condition. Btw, i have just a basic aquarium 5litres capacity. No filter, no thermostat, no plants. Only a wood and some gravel as i have just started to buy him last 2 weeks ago. I did not have a cycled tank as i didnt know what that was. I used normal tap water and add antichlorine and let it rest for half an hour before changing. I do daily water change about 50%. I thought my water looked pretty clean because of the daily change.

It was not until late last night i wanted to take a closer look at the white patch and proceeded to take a photo of him with flash. To my horror, i saw that he had gold specks on his face and body instead of white specks. It was truly difficult to see with the naked eye unless u shine a torch or take a flash photograph of him. I quickly googled and found out he has Velvet disease aka gold rust disease. That explains why he was swimming with his fins closed, low mood, swims funny: always darting back and forth, and had poor appetite. Also i saw just yesterday his fins was starting to rot. As he swam around, i saw a chunk of his fin fell out T___T
Does this mean he has velvet and fin rot together? T______T

I tried to find meds to cure velvet but couldn't so i planned to go search some from LFS. However it was too late.

I was wondering though:

1) is my water change routine ok? Am i doing anything wrong? I don't have a thermostat but i thought room temp water was fine, no? >.<

2) since velvet is caused by parasites, does this mean normal tap water has them? where does it come from? Or did the shop sell me a sick betta? He looked fine to me when i bought him though

3) where do i find velvet disease meds here in kl? I saw that malachite green or copper sulfate is good but i dont see anyone selling here online. Maybe anyone can give me the names and location to buy some?

4) can a betta have 2 coexisting diseases together, eg: fin rot and betta. If so, can we mix both meds together and pour in the tank? Or will it kill the fish faster.

5) instead of aquarium salt, can i use table salt. And how much to add to 2.5L of water?

Sorry for my lengthy post and many questions. I just wanted to let new owners know that velvet is fatal and often missed by amateurs like me. So use a torch to check your betta frequently huhu. Looking forward to hearing some thoughts from u guys out there. I'll attach some before and after pics below. Could you guys tell me did he have fin rot when i bought him?



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post Dec 18 2018, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Dec 17 2018, 11:03 AM)
Hello friedmihun

Sorry to know about your betta.  bye.gif
It's a learning process so you'll know what you did wrong and do better next time.

Okay, I see you got a halfmoon doubletail betta. The thing about these fancy tail bettas is that they are susceptible to diseases because they go through a lot of inbreeding to get that fancy tail. So to take care of these fancy tail bettas you'll need to really take extra care in its water parameters and maintenance.

Personally I prefer plakats which are very hardy and not susceptible to disease. You might want to consider a plakat for your next betta. Occasionally I rescue poor veiltails from LFS too if I have an empty spare tank.  biggrin.gif  Veiltails are damn hardy too.

To answer your questions:
1. Your daily water change routine is fine to start with and you don't need a thermostat. Once your tank is cycled, you actually don't have to change your water that often. Since your betta just died, do a thorough clean of the tank, put the gravel back, fill it with water and let it sit for a few days. Also, if you want to cycle your tank quickly, I recommend you buy a bottle of Nutrafin Cycle (some LFS sell them). It really helps when starting up a new tank and you can use it for regular maintenance too when you change water.

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That piece of wood in the tank, is that newly bought as well? New wood will leech tannins into the water. I don't know if they are harmful to bettas but perhaps you should remove it until your tank is properly cycled.

2. Yeah, sometimes the betta might be carrying the virus and maybe poor water conditions triggered it. Hard to tell and I'm not an expert on this.  biggrin.gif

3. Sorry, can't help you with this one. Actually never encountered velvet disease before.

4. Yes, multiple diseases can set in when the fish is sick. The fin rot was probably caused by the velvet disease. Again, I'm not sure if you can mix medicines together. Maybe someone else can help you here.

5. You only use aquarium salt to treat diseases. If your fish is fine, then you shouldn't use it. For 2.5 litres, I think you only need very little - maybe 1/4 teaspoon? Table salt contains additives so it's not recommended for aquarium fish.

You can start cycling your tank again from today and by the weekend you can go look for a new betta. Haha.
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Hi victorsoo, thank you for your reply smile.gif

Yes i've learned so much and from my first betta's passing, I hope I'll do better next time.
I've already cleaned my tank and cycled it. Yes that is a new wood bought from a LFS. I pre-soaked it before i put it into my tank previously, so i hope that's fine.

I've finally found a medication for velvet called "Ocean free- Super slime, white spot & Velvet away". Haven't personally used it yet as my betta has just passed, but good to know/keep an emergency kit around in case my future betta is sick sweat.gif sweat.gif

Yeah I'll prolly get another betta soon and I hope this time its gonna be alright. I kinda like halfmoons with their fancy tails but i guess amateurs like me should try plakats as you have suggested biggrin.gif

Will post a pic here once i get a new betta smile.gif
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post Dec 24 2018, 03:29 PM

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Bought a new betta dumbo ear type. He's the total opposite of the first one. Really active and seems happy exploring his tank. I checked with torch light to look for gold rust which luckily i didn't find any. I did water change as the same and added indian almond leaves. I think he seems to like it. Came home one day and saw that he made a bubble nest 😁 Now I'm currently feeding him some bloodworm flakes and pellets, however the flakes does leave an oily residue at the surface of the water and my tank does not have a filter. Was wondering are the flakes recommended? It says it contains some salmon oil


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post Dec 27 2018, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Dec 26 2018, 02:30 PM)
Good looking betta you got there.  rclxms.gif

For the oil film, just use a cup and scoop the layer of oil off. If your betta enjoys eating it, no reason why it's not recommended to feed it.  biggrin.gif
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Thanks victorsoo biggrin.gif
He's really quite happy and active ahaha smile.gif
Alright I'll continue giving him the flakes..
You didn't get a betta yourself?
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post Dec 30 2018, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(K-o-E @ Dec 28 2018, 04:28 PM)
Got a (i dunno-what-type-is-it) betta and placed it in a semi planted tank; sharing with couple of tetras and miniature algae eaters. So far it is doing well. The betta really hates shrimps tho.

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That looks like a marble betta. Not sure if I'm correct.
Very pretty though biggrin.gif
Read that they can change their colours once in awhile ..
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post Jan 1 2019, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(AlittleCb @ Dec 31 2018, 12:03 AM)
Hi guy

Any recommended places that can get good quality betta fish ? Went some petshop and aquarium but can't find the one that i really like.
Also came across a fb page (https://www.facebook.com/bettafishmalaysia/) but only selling online then deliver to doorstep.. I couldn't see it my own eyes only thru pic...
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i bought mine from 88 pets mart in pandan indah, ampang
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post Jan 2 2019, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(AlittleCb @ Jan 1 2019, 06:12 PM)
Super in love wit this .. trying to search around
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Nice.. let us know if you found any nice sellers wink.gif
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post Jan 2 2019, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Jan 1 2019, 10:14 PM)
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That's my betta, friedmihun. Just a plakat that I rescued from a LFS. It was kept in a tiny bottle with dirty water at the LFS. I thought he deserved better so I brought him home. He loves Hikari pellets.
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Aww such a cute one victorsoo
Lovely tank btw biggrin.gif
I'll try Hikari pellets once my current stash finishes

Btw does anyone knows where i can get a good marimo?
I think its time my Mr Dumbo gets a marimo friend
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post Jan 3 2019, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Jan 3 2019, 10:20 AM)
Thanks friedmihun.
It's a basic tank, just gravel, some floating plants, and a few snails. I use the sponge filter since I already had it before so might as well use it.

Most LFS do stock marimos. Where are you located at?
I go Fish Depot in Aman Suria regularly and I do notice they have marimo balls.
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I'm at cheras/kajang area. Sometimes ampang.
Any marimo shop to recommend around these areas?
So far all the LFS i went to didn't sell any marimo 😫
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post Jan 6 2019, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(creezalird @ Jan 4 2019, 12:36 AM)
have you checked amazing aquarium or fishlab at sg chua?
last time I went, I saw some marimo balls
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ok i will go check it out thanks smile.gif
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post Jan 15 2019, 05:48 PM

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Hi guys.. just wanna ask u guys what type of betta I just bought. Is he a plakat? He's a beautiful all white with slightly transparent fins and shiny body

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post Jan 15 2019, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Jan 15 2019, 05:59 PM)
Platinum white delta tail?  hmm.gif
What happened to your halfmoon dumbo?
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He's around hehe.. moved him to a bigger and nicer glass tank. I saw this white fella looking kinda pitiful so decided to get him. He's really pretty 😁 so I have 2 now tongue.gif
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post Jan 15 2019, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(blizzardcarl92 @ Jan 10 2019, 04:09 PM)
where can i find nice half moon betta in pj? most LFS i went in pj (fish depot, nilufar, pets mart 88) don't have nice half moons... T.T
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Yeah I wanna know too because I too have not seen any pretty HM around.. wonder why
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post Jan 24 2019, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 21 2019, 12:02 PM)
Haven't seen any proper Betta around.

It's not about the fins alone, have to see the colors and the body structure.
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yup biggrin.gif
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post Jan 24 2019, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 21 2019, 12:01 PM)
Can, fish won't die so easily.
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4 days can ah?
any good weekend food to recommend? the one i bought is called "Tropical weekend food", my fish refused to eat sad.gif
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post Jan 27 2019, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Jan 25 2019, 09:59 AM)
4 days without food is still okay. They may become a bit sluggish when you come home. If you're scared, get an auto feeder.
I wouldn't bother with those weekend food. They're not really for bettas.
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Ah ok thx, I'll search for an auto feeder soon smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2019, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(edmund90 @ Jan 26 2019, 03:05 AM)
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Wow very nice bettas u got there 👍👍
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post Jan 29 2019, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 25 2019, 04:50 AM)
4 days I'm sure it will still be alive.

But 4 days is enough to see the fins curl and you can't fix that. sad.gif This is especially true especially if you're having like say a half moon or crown tail and they are kept in small aquarium.

For betta, I think I fed them bloodworms. Been quite a while since I kept any.
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Huhu why do their fins curl? Really no remedy to fix? My white betta started to curl a bit already cry.gif my tank is 5 litres capacity. Is that too small. Previously I thought he was happy because he kept making bubble nests but now he seems less active with curled fins sad.gif
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post Jan 31 2019, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(edmund90 @ Jan 30 2019, 08:23 PM)
Poor water condition?
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trying to fix it now thanks.. sigh

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