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post Dec 4 2011, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 4 2011, 02:37 PM)
I don't have that free time to quote every single sentence

All senior members & Respectable members , I humbly request that you read all the conversation and tell me where am I wrong/mistake ?
(to get all the conversation kindly PM me your email and I will forward that email to you so you can read and decide)
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Pls post it here. No need to PM.

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post Dec 5 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(terryfu @ Dec 5 2011, 04:51 PM)
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3. And then both discuss on MSN, and wrote down the list of games (I counted about 34 in the MSN but probably separately there is others). A pair of games is the Eye of Judgement (1 with accessory for RM 80 quoted by Frog and the other for RM 60 without accessory. From the MSN thread it looks like Tash offered to buy 59 pieces, and wanted to take 25 games first because of bank transaction limit (include the 2 EOJ). To make it easier Tash offered RM 1.5 K for this first bulk to which Frog okayed even though one of the games (EOJ) costs RM 80 which would make the whole costs to be RM 1520. Hence Frog discounted RM 20 from the whole bulk further.

KEY ASSUMPTION : Frog only offers the games at RM 60 if take everything (even though batch by batch) and allowed the buyer to pay by batch as well thinking that he / she will promised to collect the other batch later. Having said that, Frog did also say that he can let go everything 1 shot but buyer now wanted it by batch because cannot withdraw enough money for everything.
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What I read is this - Frog did mentioned RM80 is including "cards" not "accessories". But in no point of the conversation did any party brought up the inclusion of "mat" and "stand" which Tash is insisting. Thus like terryfu mentioned; someone well experienced in this game should gives an opinion what is the standard package of EOJ.

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post Dec 5 2011, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 5 2011, 05:27 PM)
He quoted me the 1 set of EOJ for RM80

and the other one for RM60

and he was never specific about anything....

and I trusted him cuz he is a old member and we played couple of times together....


Added on December 5, 2011, 5:36 pmand I am willing to pay RM40 (he stated this in his conversation) and will you provide me the acc for EOJ ?
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Now you're picking from what he wrote later in this dispute topic.
However did you or did he mentioned about accessories in the 1st conversation?
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You also asked about cards only, never asked about acc.

I think there's a very big misunderstanding going on here.

You assume that it will come with acc and Frog assumed that he had told you the game only came with cards. As I do not know EOJ, from that conversation I would assume Frog had already told you what is included when it's RM80 there and you had agreed.

Thus like I say, is there anyone neutral out there which understands the standard package of EOJ?
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 06:08 PM)
I said to him to bold out those games that includes acc, but he did not

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so , why didn't he bolded them out ? he agreed to bold them ?

so I thought every RM80 games will be with Acc cuz he said himself
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To be fair, looking at the manner you replied; I think you are trying to pick on words that was quoted after you had made your complaint. Now you are trying to find faults with what was mentioned post this topic.

Your initial complain is only on the EOJ with additional accessories which again had been answered by frogcat and we can clearly see that he never mentioned accessories but only additional card which is why the higher price.

The RM80 with accessories only came about after he mentioned here in this topic which you are now trying to pick on. i.e. in the 1st place you didn't even know why the higher price of RM80 which if you had asked previously you would know. Your "assuming" only happened when he mentioned it in this topic. Else for ppl like me or common guys would have thought that RM80 is because of the rarity in getting the game or of more higher popularity or even newer games.

Then your next complain is on him forcing you to buy. Which if I read the conversation, you did indirectly tell him that you're going to buy. Then when everyone pointed that out, you started to "defend" to say that the fact that he sold off the 3 games had violated the "terms". If indeed it does, then you would have eventually brought it up in the conversation in MSN or even in the starting of the topic instead of waiting for a few pages only pinpoint on it. When you didn't bring it up immediately me as a 3rd party would have thought that you are ok with it.


QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 06:28 PM)
how did you proved that I cheated

Answer this 2 questions

Did you took some games out of the list after our 1st COD ?

Did you provided me any acc for EOJ ? any ?

so who is cheating here ?


Added on December 7, 2011, 6:29 pm
well I would like you to prove it that he provided me RM500 discount  biggrin.gif
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The point on accessories is already mooted. You have no points against it already. Your second point on the games taken out could still be considered but again, like I mentioned above.


Anyway, to both and all; I do agree with many that this is not considered a "dispute" but a big misunderstanding. However if we do not allow this topic, I foresee this will dragged to the main console forum. Thus I'll let you guys "TRY" and settle it here. If no agreement or it still keeps dragging, I'll be considering closing this topic in the next 1 or 2 days.


Added on December 7, 2011, 6:44 pmAnd what about the RM500? When was this brought up? Like someone mentioned; I didn't see the "RM500" mentioned anyway until you brought it up. Did I missed something.

The only thing I noticed is he agreed to sell something at RM60 since you bargained and he agreed to it.

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post Dec 7 2011, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 07:06 PM)
1) I respect you , This guy is calling me cheater again and again and even using offensive language against me. (see post #75)

2) 2nd deal was never made with him, and this chapter is closed

3) and now also he wants to sell 34 games to me when in fact I didn't agreed to buy 34 games

4) I am saying him to solve my EOJ issue, and if you think I didn't bought the game with acc but with cards, but he haven't provided me the cards yet also

Am I cheating him ? and is he allowed to use offensive language ? so that means that there is a rule for some people to use the offensive words and some people are not allowed to ? i saw a couple of my friends getting suspension for using offensive words....
I just want to get EOJ issue solved nothing else...
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Read this again and tell me how to interpret:
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1) At 4.24pm you confirmed 25 games.
2) Then within the next second, frogcat asked "What about the rest"
3) Then you answered you will buy it tomorrow.
4) Which again frogcat confirmed with you on the total i.e. 59 at 4.25pm.
5) And you replied "will buy the rest of em"
6) After frogcat mentioned he need to travel multiple times, you mentioned at 4.26pm asking him to give you 25 first and the rest to pass it to you when he is free.

So if my math is correct and if I understood the conversation perfectly 59 - 25 = 34. Which you had told him you will buy. The 4.26pm conversation indirectly telling him to reserve the 34 games for you already.

Yes you have the right to complain that even after the promise, he sold off 3 games. However like I pointed out, that conversation on him selling off the 3 games was before this conversation which you agreed to be buying the 59 games. Frogcat had upfront informed you he sold off 3 games and send the new list to you; so if you don't intend to you should not have replied "will buy the rest of em" and even ask him to pass the rest to you when he is free.

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post Dec 7 2011, 07:37 PM

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It's indeed a FFK topic no matter how I read it.
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 07:39 PM)
I said "the rest are 2 or 3" that one will buy later when he is free. and those games were not available at that time

"Cricket Games"
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If that's what you meant then indeed this is a BIG misunderstanding. Like I mentioned; no matter how I scrutinize the MSN message, the 59 pops up and you "seem" to agree to it.

If it's me, I would have pointed out - no; it's not 59. So seriously I don't know how you guys communicated. sweat.gif

If I'm in that conversation and if I'm Frogcat, I would also had assumed the same thing.

Thus a big misunderstanding between 2 party. Now it looks more clearer. rclxub.gif
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(noruazumi @ Dec 7 2011, 07:41 PM)
Is FFK considered as "dispute" in LYN? Just asking.
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Nay, just let the topic flow because don't want the "dispute" to go back to the console forum.
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 07:50 PM)
That was not the deal, the deal was RM1.5k for all 25 games and one of the games in 25 games list he wanted to sell it for rm1520 but later he told he didn't wanted to bargain about it anymore....
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You are now very confusing. From my understanding the RM1.5k was because the limit which you had. So which is which now?!

And the bargaining part I think everyone gets it except you. Initially he is selling one at RM80. Thus when you ask him to sell it at RM60, he agreed. The statement "RM20, don't bargain anymore" is a figure of speech where he gave in to your request. Thus it's RM1.5k total, i.e. RM60 each.
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(Zeeraq @ Dec 7 2011, 07:51 PM)
It was 2 or 3 games.
If i would have been in TS place this offer was not attractive for me bcz buy 25 2006-2010 games for RM60.
Even if it was attractive for him it was his choice & you don't need to tell me how to understand I have seen more good attractive deals in real world.

And where in the Seller thread it was mentioned ?
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Like I mentioned, everyone had their own perception; thus the "big" misunderstanding. For me I would also have thought that tashfinsheikh agreed.
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(tashfinsheikh @ Dec 7 2011, 07:59 PM)
I told him, I can withdraw RM1.5k only cuz my transaction limit for that day was reached.

so for 25 games he said RM1.5k is fine biggrin.gif

before that he said RM60 for EOJ without deck and RM80 with deck.

So his original price was not RM80, his original price is RM60 for each and everygame whoever buys in bulk
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OMG! The misunderstanding goes deeper.
If I understand the message, it's meant to read that whomever buys in bulk will get RM60 which your assumption is correct. However for the EOJ with cards it'll cost RM80 which he did explained some of the list the games are priced at RM80.

The RM60 is for the majority of the games if buys in bulk. Else if buy 1 by 1, it will cost more. That's what I understand.


Now I would suggest both of you to meet up and shake hand and admit the big misunderstanding in between. As well both to have an open mind, not only to think from one's perspective.


Added on December 7, 2011, 8:07 pmWe are just mediator. But if both side wouldn't admit their "misinterpretation" then the case will go on.
So like I advised, both try to look pass the dispute and shake hand.

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post Dec 7 2011, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(Frogcat @ Dec 7 2011, 09:02 PM)
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To tell you the truth, I've inquired and from my observation you 2 both had a communication gap.
After I grilled him, my observation is he does indeed had a problem communicating well. But then again, some times we can't fault the other party for it. So like I say, let it rest. Just give him the EOJ cards then forget about this whole big misunderstanding. That's my advise.
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:44 PM

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I think this had gone far enough.

I understood his intention well when he mentioned he wants to bring friend along to verify the deal.

Yes you Zeeraq seem to have a problem with him and sway it elsewhere.

I shall proceed to close this topic as there should already be a solution for this. You 2 take it off privately like mentioned.
Give and take is important here.

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