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> 2nd Toyota Altis 1.6 or New Saga FLX SE, which car will you buy?

Given RM50K, will you buy a second hand Toyota Altis 1.6 or a New Saga 1.6 FLX SE?
 
2nd hand Toyota Altis 1.6 [ 59 ] ** [49.17%]
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crystalplatinum
post Dec 1 2011, 06:00 PM


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I gave up on looking for Satria. Recently saw Toyota Altis 1.6 only 46K. After test drive, it felt much better than most new car at that price range.

But not sure about maintenance.. what do you think?
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I think Saga FLX SE would be a better choice. New Car > 2nd Hand always smile.gif
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QUOTE(crystalplatinum @ Dec 1 2011, 06:00 PM)
I gave up on looking for Satria. Recently saw Toyota Altis 1.6 only 46K. After test drive, it felt much better than most new car at that price range.

But not sure about maintenance.. what do you think?
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Toyota Altis is the best...... coz, i facing this problem before ?

I choose altis 1.6 in the end..

but 1.6 is abit under power.( normal usage is ok ).. 1.8 is the best..

but also depend on your luck..

never regret..

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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Dec 1 2011, 06:01 PM)
I think Saga FLX SE would be a better choice. New Car > 2nd Hand always smile.gif
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Bought a second hand car, 1 year old. Never had any serious problem apart from normal maintainance (the car is 9 yo now). A friend bought a 6 month old car (50% off list price), no problems either. Of course it depends on luck, and you have to check the background of the car. But especially with imported cars they should be serviced at their SC, so you can ask them if you can have a look at the service history, if any repairs were made etc. Test drive, let a mechanic you can trust and who knows what he does check the car throughoutly. You can't totally filter out a lemon/accident car, but you can your best to find out if it's a good deal.
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I vote for Altis, bigger segment car, more features, better NVH I think.
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post Dec 1 2011, 06:39 PM


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I believe Toyota has more comfort and reliability!
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:42 PM


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QUOTE(tky82ky @ Dec 1 2011, 06:39 PM)
I believe Toyota has more comfort and reliability!
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TS is referring to 1st gen altis I think. Good quality than current 1.
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Buying used car is like striking lottery... if u lucky, problem-free. If not, lemonade till u dispose of it.

New car will be good for at least 5 years if driven properly - no speeding up to Genting for first 1000km for example or super late braking all the time.
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:48 PM


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my fren juz bought one 2005 altis 1.6 e spec..after i test drive,the NVH is good and the pick up is better than my persona..but mid and top end is persona more better..anyway,it worth than the saga flx se..
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The build quality should be much better than Saga, especially older toyotas
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:53 PM


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if u wnt more power i thnk the saga has more because it is lighter and smaller... but for resale value, i thnk the altis eventhough it is alredy at used price, but the saga price will drop faster...
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post Dec 1 2011, 10:00 PM


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toyota > all
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post Dec 1 2011, 10:21 PM


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QUOTE(tplcaik @ Dec 1 2011, 09:42 PM)
TS is referring to 1st gen altis I think. Good quality than current 1.
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I call up the car shop and confirm it was a year 2004 1.6 altis. He say accident free but my hubby say sure got accident at the back because the paint job looks different.

and btw:
-what is NVH?
-older toyota better? means newer toyota not as good?
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post Dec 1 2011, 10:25 PM


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altis 46k?
how old?
2004?...that quiet old....many wear and tear on known and unknown parts
and somemore your hubby say got accident thn dn't buy

and yes..old toyota seem to be better built than newer toyota
NVH = Noise, vibration, and harshness

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QUOTE(crystalplatinum @ Dec 1 2011, 10:21 PM)
I call up the car shop and confirm it was a year 2004 1.6 altis. He say accident free but my hubby say sure got accident at the back because the paint job looks different.

and btw:
-what is NVH?
-older toyota better? means newer toyota not as good?
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last time when survey car for my sister also got nice car but when i open boot the color different. when ask dealer said no accident based on their record, i think previous owner repair car without claim ncd that why no accident record.
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QUOTE(rhyh @ Dec 1 2011, 09:53 PM)
if u wnt more power i thnk the saga has more because it is lighter and smaller... but for resale value, i thnk the altis eventhough it is alredy at used price, but the saga price will drop faster...
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Resale value is worthless once it hits 10 years (manufacturing date). After that, value will depreciate because difficult to borrow loan from bank. I facing this issue selling my Toyota Harrier now. Everyone offering super low prices because it is already 10 years old.
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post Dec 1 2011, 11:12 PM


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Saga? 10 years later like current old Saga lor.. Altis? 10 years later like current old corolla lor..
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post Dec 2 2011, 07:01 AM


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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Dec 1 2011, 11:12 PM)
Saga? 10 years later like current old Saga lor.. Altis? 10 years later like current old corolla lor..
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But VIOS 1st batch until now still look great and Fuel Saving, The car had 10 years old already.

Now my Kenari was 11>12 years old, if has been sold out then I will planing to get vios 2nd batch is around 2005 model, is my choice!

That's depend how you need and afford the price loh.
Car is driving on the road, even buy new after one year old the look still old.
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post Dec 2 2011, 07:12 AM


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Between Saga and old Altis,I would trust Altis more. Repair cost is not too high as Toyota parts are easily available. Saga??So much smaller than Altis and if you drive a Saga nobody will notice you as it is too common on the road. New Saga drive mat not feel as good as an old Altis,Mark my words
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post Dec 2 2011, 07:16 AM


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I support saga flx se 1.6 , reason why:
I am driving a second hand car , toyota altis 1.6 2004 also , maybe i was unlucky or i didnt check properly , the car had a lot of problem after 3 months even though i take care of it properly and it sux that i couldn't complain to anyone , it was my own fault
I support new saga flx se 1.6 , the spec can be consider good for a 50k car , and if got any problem , just go back and tiao the sc 99!! at least you have someone to vent your anger on tongue.gif
Just my 2 cents TS , some ppl prefer branding over new car . Hope it help ! biggrin.gif


Added on December 2, 2011, 7:18 amyou could test drive both to see which car feel better and more suitable to you !

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post Dec 2 2011, 07:23 AM


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If buy proton cars, you have to stick to proton parts, if japan car, you can get from chop chop shop.. haha
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post Dec 2 2011, 07:42 AM


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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Dec 2 2011, 07:23 AM)
If buy proton cars, you have to stick to proton parts, if japan car, you can get from chop chop shop.. haha
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Ha ha good point, buy 2nd hand record or half cut shop and find my Spare parts the price at only 30% of brand new price, this is worth smile.gif
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Actually the same rule applies to all used cars: be very thorough when checking d car (bring s'one experience in tis if ur a noob) n still b prepared to spend more on repairs tat only crop up a few wks or mths after ownership.

But having looked around for 1.6/1.8 gen1 Altis last yr, I'd say d most common issue is d power window failure (though not many). Apart from tat they r very tough cars to break, while d 1.6 does feel a bit under powered esp under full load or uphill. Cont to look around if ur interested in d Altis coz 46k is about there for 03/04 1.6 versions.

As for d Saga, its 1 category down from d Altis n feels more crude in terms of quality n NVH. D upside is tat d Saga is new , feels more engaging to drive, n u get manufacturers warranty as well as lower interest rate. Personally i'm not wit d Protons idea of smoked rear lamps, looks cheap n 'ah beng' for bread n butter cars.

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post Dec 2 2011, 08:41 AM


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QUOTE(Number92 @ Dec 2 2011, 07:16 AM)
I support saga flx se 1.6 , reason why:
I am driving a second hand car , toyota altis 1.6 2004 also , maybe i was unlucky or i didnt check properly , the car had a lot of problem after 3 months even though i take care of it properly and it sux that i couldn't complain to anyone , it was my own fault
I support new saga flx se 1.6 , the spec can be consider good for a 50k car , and if got any problem , just go back and tiao the sc 99!! at least you have someone to vent your anger on tongue.gif
Just my 2 cents TS , some ppl prefer branding over new car . Hope it help ! biggrin.gif


Added on December 2, 2011, 7:18 amyou could test drive both to see which car feel better and more suitable to you !
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Thanks for the comment. i did have this concern over secondhand car. The mileage meter only shows ~60K usage. i was wondering either they modify the meter reading or this car had a bad accident until the owner cant stand fixing.

When we test drive the altis, it does feel solid and tough. will try to look up for more to test, hopefully can avoid problems like yours. thanks!
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QUOTE(crystalplatinum @ Dec 2 2011, 08:41 AM)
Thanks for the comment. i did have this concern over secondhand car. The mileage meter only shows ~60K usage. i was wondering either they modify the meter reading or this car had a bad accident until the owner cant stand fixing.

When we test drive the altis, it does feel solid and tough. will try to look up for more to test, hopefully can avoid problems like yours. thanks!
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Actually if you wanna get 2nd hand toyota car, can be visit Top Mark there have a lots 2nd hand cars and comes with 6 months warranty.

Yesterday I when to top mark in JB and asking about vios they also Provide of 6 months warranty.
The warranty by UMW.
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Dec 2 2011, 08:33 AM)
Actually the same rule applies to all used cars: be very thorough when checking d car (bring s'one experience in tis if ur a noob) n still b prepared to spend more on repairs tat only crop up a few wks or mths after ownership.

But having looked around for 1.6/1.8 gen1 Altis last yr, I'd say d most common issue is d power window failure (though not many). Apart from tat they r very tough cars to break, while d 1.6 does feel a bit under powered esp under full load or uphill. Cont to look around if ur interested in d Altis coz 46k is about there for 03/04 1.6 versions.

As for d Saga, its 1 category down from d Altis n feels more crude in terms of quality n NVH. D upside is tat d Saga is new , feels more engaging to drive, n u get manufacturers warranty as well as lower interest rate. Personally i'm not wit d Protons idea of smoked rear lamps, looks cheap n 'ah beng' for bread n butter cars.
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To start of, I am looking to make the best out of a rm50k car. toyota altis is a recommendation from my uncle, a toyota car supporter. In fact, i dont know any other car that is so call good buy at rm50k range. But now, it seems altis is one of the kind for quality. Will look check on more 2nd car dealers in town before buying. Thanks for the advice!
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post Dec 2 2011, 09:07 AM


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for me sure go for altis , bxoz i been driving 1.8 10 years liao , nop much major problem ( TOUCH WOOD).. it comfort ..fuel is about rm 80 for 500km high way drive , city 450km
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One more thing have to considering on altis 1.6 Auto in city drive will be drink fuel,
cause the car much haevy, if 1.8A should be good enough.
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post Dec 2 2011, 10:13 AM


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Agree.
try get altis 1.8 instead of 1.6

i'm driving old 10 year altis 1.8

fuel consumption : RM 75 for 420km
maintenance wise : so far, biggest repair : lower arm bush replacement

after all, it is comfort and powerful machine. Seldom heard any complain from similar car owners except the stability and floating like a boat if speed > 140kmh , due to soft suspension.

(Hmmm still seeing many corolla moving around...)

again, 2nd hand car, you are buying the previous owner...

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QUOTE(crystalplatinum @ Dec 2 2011, 08:51 AM)
To start of, I am looking to make the best out of a rm50k car. toyota altis is a recommendation from my uncle, a toyota car supporter. In fact, i dont know any other car that is so call good buy at rm50k range. But now, it seems altis is one of the kind for quality. Will look check on more 2nd car dealers in town before buying. Thanks for the advice!
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this happen few years ago (the 1st model Altis)
my friend is driving Perdana Auto, until the gearbox start giving problem and he decided to change car. and one day he sat at another friend Altis and he fell in love almost immediately. sold his Perdana and bought 1.8 Altis.
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Altis for sure

newer car might be better than 2nd car...generally.. But its the matter of u finding the right one(2nd car)
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post Dec 2 2011, 11:59 AM


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But altis 2005 yr car price still remain at 70K.

Should be good enough car is very strong enough.
Even when drive from JB to Kedah still not feels really neck pain or back pain.

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i'm also driving an Altis 1.6E 2nd hand (year 2005). bought it on Dec 2010. no problem so far other than the soft suspension. make sure u do routine servicing. then there will be no major problem.

sometimes it is also depends on luck. try a few more 2nd hand car dealers, then only make your purchase.
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If you buy a second hand car, then you might as well go for a coldish car with a low resale value. Hey, you are the one profiting from that! We bought a Kangoo for 25k, a comparable (not really) Avanza would have been 35k+, and that's without any airbags, less practical etc. (and the Avanza was cheaper when new). I have the suspicion the previous owner knew the catalytic converter was about to die, but "fixing" it was cheap, so who cares, no big deal.

Why go for a car that is still expensive? When you want to sell it again it's probably 10+ yo, and then the value will drop badly anyway.

50k will put you in a Citroen Picasso from 2007, a 2008 Pajero, 2007 Alphard (wtf?!), a 1997 S-Class (ok, kidding, you wouldn't want to pay for repairs), 2007 Camry, 2005 Renault Scenic, 2006 Skoda Octavia (It's really a supersized VW Golf, same technology etc.)...

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also pls see carpet floor and seat belt got mud or not scared if they sell 'banjir car'
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post Dec 3 2011, 12:41 AM


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my 2 cents- toyota altis bring one mechanic to check the car condition and tear and wear item.

why toyota altis( my opinion)
- reliable
- safety GOA body. anything were to go wrong, chances of seeing tomorrow is higher.
- stable at mid speed ( 160-170) and sustaining it.
- ride comfort . low NVH.
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altis of coz,

saga, after a few years the whole dashboard and parts will vibrate when in jam. engine mounting start to ko and the problem will still come back after a year eventhough u change new mountings sad.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 2 2011, 11:07 PM)
If you buy a second hand car, then you might as well go for a coldish car with a low resale value. Hey, you are the one profiting from that! We bought a Kangoo for 25k, a comparable (not really) Avanza would have been 35k+, and that's without any airbags, less practical etc. (and the Avanza was cheaper when new). I have the suspicion the previous owner knew the catalytic converter was about to die, but "fixing" it was cheap, so who cares, no big deal.

Why go for a car that is still expensive? When you want to sell it again it's probably 10+ yo, and then the value will drop badly anyway.

50k will put you in a Citroen Picasso from 2007, a 2008 Pajero, 2007 Alphard (wtf?!), a 1997 S-Class (ok, kidding, you wouldn't want to pay for repairs), 2007 Camry, 2005 Renault Scenic, 2006 Skoda Octavia (It's really a supersized VW Golf, same technology etc.)...
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conti cars?

if i were TS i would avoid some of em? Of course the price was cheap compare to Jap car...but
take the maintenance & sparepart cost..
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conti cars sure are worth but someone who wan to own that need to understand car further or know more mechanic then it will be fun to drive.
as for saga quality is so so if u compare with altis. different segment. but new car less worry as cover by warranty and normally part only start to give problem after 5-6 years

for altis, if got accident b4 try avoid la. try find the one with less problem on the body work. i believe u more prefer altis. so can just rule out saga and put more effort to hunt for better deal altis. once got it then spend 2-3k for service and change those belts, hose, liquid, and other wear n tears. then it will be good.

my sister owned altis for 7 yrs also. i drive that car occasionally. never give any problem. highway driving quite comfortable not to say the best.


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i vote for altis.

if you're the person who scared of hassle, buy new car.

if you never worry about it, altis is your choices.

worth to buy.


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Altis if you don't mind a 2nd hand car

Reason is stable and bigger interior than SAGA

Else, if u are a fussy type... pls get SAGA
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QUOTE(ahchun @ Dec 3 2011, 04:25 PM)
conti cars sure are worth but someone who wan to own that need to understand car further or know more mechanic then it will be fun to drive.
as for saga quality is so so if u compare with altis. different segment. but new car less worry as cover by warranty and normally part only start to give problem after 5-6 years

for altis, if got accident b4 try avoid la. try find the one with less problem on the body work. i believe u more prefer altis. so can just rule out saga and put more effort to hunt for better deal altis. once got it then spend 2-3k for service and change those belts, hose, liquid, and other wear n tears. then it will be good.

my sister owned altis for 7 yrs also. i drive that car occasionally. never give any problem. highway driving quite comfortable not to say the best.
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There are some good contis that can be maintained relatively cheap. It's more difficult though, I totally agree. Just saying that it _might_ make sense looking into a model that no one wants to buy (or believes they can't afford it, that way a friend in Europe got a 6 months old Volvo C30 for 50% off list price) as opposed to one that is so in demand that it's more expensive than when new. Resale value with such an old car shouldn't be too great a concern.

In our case we bought a Kangoo... there are plenty of them on the road as panel vans (and some as family MPV), so spare parts and everything isn't too big a concern, but the price is still very low for such a car (the looks obviously help, it's an acquired taste biggrin.gif ). Skoda Octavia might be another choice like that, most might not even know the brand, but the engine, gearbox etc. are all from VW, so a VW SC should be able to deal with it and have the parts (it might not be very cheap to service a VW though, hm). The one I've found is a 2.0 with 150 PS, and the Octavia is said to be more reliable than it's cousins from Audi and VW (it's a larger Golf Mk V). (Also I find the car more attractive/serious than the Altis, especially the interior, it's very VW'ish). I'm just saying... keep your eyes open, it might be worth it.
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I had almost the same dillema last month. Persona Hi line/Forte or 2007 altis. In the end i too altis. The reason is , i know few chop chop shop and good toyota mechanic under the tree around my area.
For kia Forte, it seem good they giving me 5 years warranty, but i have to service with them for 5 years? In the end, it might cost me the same as maintaining the old toyota. Always remember, new car, you have to go service center and service with them.
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I had almost the same dillema last month. Persona Hi line/Forte or 2007 altis. In the end i too altis. The reason is , i know few chop chop shop and good toyota mechanic under the tree around my area.
For kia Forte, it seem good they giving me 5 years warranty, but i have to service with them for 5 years? In the end, it might cost me the same as maintaining the old toyota. Always remember, new car, you have to go service center and service with them.
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Oh really?

I started to service my own car since 10,000km mileage, get away from UMW Toyota which full of trainee and also owner is not allowed to near to their own vehicle when service. From UMW Toyota, it's for safety purpose but how the hell I know what they do to my car?

I still went back to them even I have some minor problem, like plastic noise and etc. As long as you use the correct grade of oil, I guess only one in the hundred thousand engine will fail.
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Oh really?

I started to service my own car since 10,000km mileage, get away from UMW Toyota which full of trainee and also owner is not allowed to near to their own vehicle when service. From UMW Toyota, it's for safety purpose but how the hell I know what they do to my car?

I still went back to them even I have some minor problem, like plastic noise and etc. As long as you use the correct grade of oil, I guess only one in the hundred thousand engine will fail.
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Thats the reason i dont like SC. I prefer go to some mechanic that i know and trust . Honestly, while the car is under warranty, most people will go back to SC for any servicing reason that they scare their warranty will be void.



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Thats the reason i dont like SC. I prefer go to some mechanic that i know and trust . Honestly, while the car is under warranty, most people will go back to SC for any servicing reason that they scare their warranty will be void.
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This is another marketing trick.

For example if a consumer purchase the wrong rating of engine oil, let's say ridiculous case, the consumer purchase lorry engine oil for his car and end up car engine break down, of course this will void the warranty due to wrong usage of engine oil. If consumer use the correct engine oil, with the correct rating and grade then engine spoil, suppose can claim under warranty. But still, stick with those branded engine oil but not those not-so-known-well brand.

Some people think they must service all the way in the service center then only can claim under warranty. When you service a vehicle, it's only related to most mechanic, wear and tear parts. Interior plastic if no one disassemble it, will it cause damage or alignment problem?

For me, I only go for "compulsory" service, as it is stated in Toyota service booklet, and it applied for 1,000km and 5,000km. After that, good bye to UMW Toyota.

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just saw saga FLX SE recently and the cosmetic quite impressive..saga has revvy engine..my vote goes to Altis but make sure u are 100% satisfied before buying..
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