You see smooth games on droids and iOS because they allow native access for devs so that they can bring their engines over effortlessly. WP7 on the other hand requires devs to build using XNA or Silverlight, thereby putting a lot of restrictions on developers.

However, it is rumoured that native access will be opened to devs come Apollo.

I don't agree with giving too much access to devs to play with the Home screen or it might just become another android. Current Home is good enough for me.

If you've ever attempted to program games in XNA, you'd realize its restrictions. My point about native access was against s2peMocls for saying that WP7 lacks games. Many devs have already voiced out that they want native access to port their game engines over, and they are waiting.

XNA started off as an XBox game engine. Slowly it was ported over to PC and then to WP7. I ain't saying you can't create games with it, but you'd hit a roadblocks most of the time if you do anything intense, especially if it involves a lot of physics because the engine itself is not mature enough.

Take a look at Magicka you'll know what I mean. Go YouTube, type Magicka multiplayer bugs and enjoy.

It was built with XNA 3.

It's true that it's a managed environment, but managed environment is not always good for devs because they have their own engines too. Why do you think RAGE is not available on WP7? It's not because there isn't a market, it's because native access is not allowed, they can't bring their engines over. Managed access also poses another problem, slower executions. I assume that you're well learnt, so I won't bother going to uncle google to give you all the answers.

It is indeed a game engine built on top of .NET Framework. Yes, XNA is the root. It's not mature enough.

I said it was buggy, not matured enough doesn't mean they won't succeed. Magicka sure as hell is buggy, yet it succeeded in raking millions. Don't put words into my mouth. Buggy and success are two different things.

And you got the argument all wrong. I was saying that developers shy away from WP7 development because of the lack of native access. Would you want to build from scratch when you already have a matured engine? All they need is native access.

May I know which part of my post imply that buggy and success are correlated?

XNA indeed started off from XBox with the name Xbox New Architecture and overtime, they decided to release SDK for PC and later on (XNA2), to Windows Phone(XNA3.1). You're right, XNA is indeed a framework, my bad there.

However, my point still stands with regards to its buginess and the need for native access.

Look, if you were to quote what I wrote, please quote in full.

XNA being buggy is a known fact.



Read what I wrote in full.

May I also know which part of my statement mention that GAMES (ALL GAMES, according to you) written in XNA are always buggy? All I said was, XNA is buggy and not mature enough. Devs would very often hit roadblocks when dealing with XNA. Then I gave you an example of a game written in XNA which is buggy but successful. Which part of my statements mention that all games that came out of XNA is buggy?

Edit: All these help support my point to allow devs native access so that they can use OpenGL / C++ (native access) to bring their games over.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Feb 1 2012, 02:28 PM

This is correct. I remember reading a post comparing C# (presumably on top of Silverlight) against native C++ in terms of performance and C# actually runs around 10s slower. No idea what's the benchmark about, but it looked convincing enough.

It is also rumored that Apollo will bring native access.

Microsoft has a strict app market policy, so if they detect something dodgy, the app will be pulled from market.

If you want more developers on board, you should first learn to trust your developers.

No one knows for sure. Hopefully yes.

Lumia 710 can be found at RM799, merely RM100 more than 610. I recommend you take that instead.

Either call Digi or search the web for APN settings. It's really easy. But don't forget to reboot your phone once it's set.

No. This is false. Skype is free and will remain that way.

Damn you!!!! Why post this!?!?!?! Now I regret buying my Lumia 800! I want this beast!

I'll bet you RM10 that we'll get Apollo, whether by hook or by crook. Whether MSFT likes it or not, Nokia isn't going to fail its customers just like that.

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The lack of gyroscope is made up for by internal compass. So you shouldn't feel so "different" from those with a gyroscope. If you act as a tripod, Photosynth will work wonders provided your angle remains the same.

To everyone bashing WP for lack of features, let's look at it this way. iOS is 5 years old now, Android is 3.7 - 3.8 years old and WP7 is like what? 1.5 years old? Give it some time to shine.

Lack of bluetooth file transfer? Whatsapp exists and it's free. There's also Talkbox, Skype and Viber. The 2 main reasons for not having BFT are lack of proper file system (MSFT intended to make WP7 a walled garden) and malware, which can spread easily through BFT. The former will be rectified as MSFT opens up in WP8. The latter, no one knows.

Brother of the almighty 3310

How were you screwed actually?

We may as well combine all 3 platforms and make a 1OS. LOL

Everything well be the same, apart from skins.

What region did you set to? My dad's Mozart has received an update, region Singapore.

My Lumia region is set to Australia, no update yet.

My mom's Lumia is set to US, no update yet.