Aku tengah study pasal ni, x jumpa lagi experts yg kemukakan kelemahan tika taka ( possession ) style football ni. Any suggestion from anyone?

Tiki taka is just another strategy out of hundreds; the success of a strategy is depending on the players you have in disposal. Unfortunately, at the moment Barcelona, the advocate of tiki taka, have the best players to complement Pep's formula.

Having said all the above, of course there are weaknesses in Pep's strategy. The players need to be moving constantly in triangles for pass-receive-pass repetitions, keeping the passing channels tight and closing down opponents fast. Therefore, the players have no room for schoolkids passing mistakes, need high stamina and concentration.

Any lapse, the diamond formation will come into light (cue Ancelotti's AC Milan). The defensive-playmaker (Pirlo) can destroy opponents at will, with a free-roaming attacking player at the top of the formation (Kaka), supported by the other two midfielders. With this formation, the midfield can advance and retreat as they wish.

park aeroplane in front of the goal.

real madrid have used the swarm down strategy. everytime Barca players get the ball, 2 players will swarm down at the player.

ok, do you watch Ac Milan vs Barca last night?

Ac Milan for me did a good job from intercepting the ball from barca.

because barca always 'pressure' the opponent whenever opponent hold the ball. but ac milan did a good job, doing long pass, pressure the barca also..

there is a weakness in every strategy,like 1st leg Milan prefer to play their usual defending wall formation that tighten up on center instead of flanks.

the 2nd leg,Milan changed the approach by playing more pressure and higher tempo plus long ball to outclass Barca defender and it prove to be worked againts Barca.

its just luck againts Milan in 2nd leg (stupid own goal and a penalty )

i thought it was the opposite.

google youtube for barcelona 6 second rule.



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Possession football is not suitable for players who are not at the level where they have good passing and vision. Because too many short passes will increase the risk of losing possession, and most of all, losing possession in vital areas such as midfield or defensive third. Unlike direct football, where you play the ball forward quickly, u lose the ball in the attacking third, its still ok for that. But teams with players that has good vision, awareness and passing doesnt make too many mistakes with the ball hence can play possession football. EG. Barcelona.

titki take has not much weakness but at the price of this, you need exceptional good players on the ball, that can be observed from barca's purchased players take quite some times to cope with the team (Fabregas is exceptional), even their own youth players will have a hard time gaining place in 1st team. Reason being, you just need to have very good footwork, good and consistent pace for the next 90 minutes, consequently exceptionally good stamina. They intercept alot to gain possession, possession then seems to be their main priority, not goalscoring, goalscoring is the result of high possession because you can think what to do with the ball next and how to launch the next siege. IN other words, you have to be exceptionally brilliant too. you think one second slower than your team mate, then you will be the weakest link of the team. So to tiki taka, you need exceptional techniques, intelligence, stamina, pace and team work. Argentine captain was forced back to the back 4 because his footwork is not good enough to fluid the mid as he does not have to do this during his time in Liverpool.

saying that, it does not mean that the system has no flaws. It does hav some:-

- By playing high pressing, you waste alot of energy. If the team's condition is not good, they can easily fall apart and breakthrough by opponent's forward.
- Defense can be weak at times. Since most players are on the front so central defenders are not allowed to do mistakes. Every mistake is easier for opponents to create chances compare to other system. And defenders must be fast. (Pique and Puyol are slow players overall but they have good techniques). This is one of the main weakness of tiki taka, very vulnerable to counter attack.
-players cannot be too big. how to play swiftly with big guys right? Netherlands in the 1970s were not playing tiki taka, they are playing total football so you can actually see high and low pass mixtures. so at Barcelona's team, you can actually find out most of them are small. messi, iniesta, xavi, david villa, pedro, dani alves etc. having such small players can be injury prone, fall down easily when get intercept by big guys and get pushed away.

conclusion: Tiki taka's both weakness and strength is their tiki taka system.

If you post this at bodybuilding and strength training section a lot of ppl will butthurt.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Nov 26 2011, 07:57 PM

rain + bad pitch + pressing is barca's worse enemy ...

few of my theories

1-field a sturdy and hard-tackling CBs(like kompany,vidic,terry,etc)
2-field a combative midfield.the one that can break the passing(or at least,disrupt the chain)
3-field a fast running forward and hit them on the counterattack
4-attack and defend as a unit.defensive doesn't start at the back

if you play like barca,you will be beaten by the real barca

yes they have. Catennaccio. Inter during Mourinho stint practices this during the semis in camp nou 2 seasons ago

it's risky tho ...

1 & 2 is prone to yellow card ... if the defensive midfielder gets a yellow in the first half, the plan falls apart


inter was very lucky back then ... would've been a different story had barca converted their chances ...

Every team will be lucky back then if they had converted their chances too?

Arsenal also beat Barca whether they had tiki-taka or not at Emirates stadium then losing to them the following 2nd leg.

No actual solution to beat tiki-taka but more like if u have good players like Messi and Xavi to start the move or your luck in converting chances.

When AC Milan play defend against Barca at Nou Camp, they had only 2 chances and they converted both especially the Pato one

asalkan awak dapat kunci dia punya midfield dia dengan kemas, kekalkan disiplin yang amat bagus di bahagian pertahanan, serta nampak je peluang tak kira dari bahagian mana pun di atas padang tu, rembat jauh dengan amat tepat, atau nampak je kosong di tempat yang kurang dijaga buat long cross yang tepat dan tolak ke kawasan kotak penalti dan rembat dengan tepat dari belakang, maka ada la peluang untuk kalahkan permainan tiki taka ni.

permainan tiki taka atau di belanda punya total football ni selalu je kalah dengan cara permainan jerman

what chances were you talking about? Chances of eating Diving Buscuits? If you get my drift.
Just cause Bale raped Maicon last season doesnt change the fact that Inter won it by virtue of being the best and beating the rest.

If you really want to see a Tiki taka buster now, you'll just have to see Real Madrid play them again.

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Nov 27 2011, 02:15 PM

err ... ball in the net but disallowed kinda chance ... does that count?

o/t: would love to have the chance to play you guys again ... it was fun ...

Err .. Getting a non-sensical red. Does that count?

Err okay. See you when your qualified to play then!

Thanks korang, banyak input yg aku dapat. Setakat ni yg aku nampak, hanya Mourinho sorang je yg boleh counter tiki taka style ala Barca ni....

Mourinho ni memang genius...

Macam yg korang cakap, case in point : UCL 2009 semi final Inter vs Barca...

This post has been edited by Icahn: Nov 28 2011, 01:12 PM

try to watch barca vs getafe game where barca lost 1-0 to them. its like they play 4-3-2-1 with roaming AM where they fill the midfield so that its packed. barca find it real hard to penetrate at the centre cause too many blocked pass.

i think another way to beat tiki taka is to counter attack and have a very good winger and avoid attacking at the centre as their full backs (alves and abidal) always go very high up.
i noticed that whenver pedro or villa gets the ball at the corner they never cross. they will try to beat the opponent or pass back as barca dont have a target man.
barca also might have some difficulties on narrower pitch because of their play. they should play better when they are at home.

real 1 - 3 barcelona ... tiki taka buster didn't work ...

can't really sustain intense pressing for 90 mins ...

tiki taka weakness lies in the players who receive the ball IMO.

If you can fill the midfield with 5 Scott Parkers, i can guarantee you that Xavi and co. will cry.

Aku kasi up..............

confirm ada kelemahan....

Kalau kelemahan dapat dibaiki dengan tepat, Barca will be back with a vengeance nx season...

the commentator during ucl final chelsea vs bayern said that chelsea tactic is to bored bayern to death..hahahahaha..

tiki taka..too predictable..tiring and one way..

tiki taka barcelona is not that perfect..they hardly perform without key players..tiki taka supposed to be a system where if one player out..any player can come in and play as long as he stick to the tactical disciplined for that position..

I personally prefer fast counter attacking~defensive football...more excitement..

I love tiki-taka.

Movement, one touch, anticipation, awareness, intelligence, control, vision, technical abilities, skill .. after all, these are real qualities any good footballer will possess.

You can have the size, the pace, the strength and the body but IMO, they aren't everything.

Chelsea used the defensive method by drawing Barcelona into their box and hitting them on the break.

Real Madrid .. well in the past, they tried to kick, push, shove, elbow, give Barcelona a really hard time by playing rough to put Barcelona off their game.

Netherlands, easily one of the better footballing sides, changed to the Madrid way to combat Spain in the World Cup final.


In my opinion, there isn't a specific way to stop possession football because well, you are not exactly stopping them from playing football. You do however, increase your chances of preventing them from scoring via the defensive method.

It however, surprises Barcelona/Spain if you actually attack them, rather than draw them in. Like Arsenal did.

tiki taka tiki legend = sergio busquets

barca = tika + diver

and what did they achieve?

they = barca or chelsea, rm and co??

Barcelona? In four years ...

3 La Liga
2 Champions Leagues
2 Copa Del Reys
2 European Super Cups
2 Club World Cups
2 Supercopa de España

Spain?

Euro 2008
World Cup 2010



This post has been edited by Adryan: May 27 2012, 04:43 PM

Who's the last English side to beat Barcelona at their home ground?

None other than Rafa's Liverpool.

Fact.

Pep Guardiola's Barcelona has faced 52 different teams but has never managed to defeat Chelsea F.C.. During the 2009 Champions League semi-finals, Chelsea held them to a 0-0 draw in the first leg at Camp Nou, although in the second leg Iniesta scored in stoppage time to level the tie at 1-1 and let Barça advance on away goals.[18] Lionel Messi has not scored against Chelsea in eight Champions League matches.[19]

before some1 comes n blast me. jz to clarify, i m not saying barca is not a good side.


they are absolutely 1 of the best but my point is every team has its own weakness. thats all

This post has been edited by AVNatalie: May 27 2012, 05:32 PM

tiki taka weakness is chelsea. hahah.

jk. tiki taka weak against ultra defensive team. dats it.

possesion normally lose to counter attack

left flank=right flank > wing > cross

tiki taka weakness is park the bus

Anyways, RDM showed how to play barca in two legs....get them to play tiki taka and because of tiki taka they lost the game due to chelsea 1 off counter attack. it will be a boring game but it works